Why is he in great trouble?
I think that active recruiting from other companies it is not illegal, am I wrong?
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Steve Jobs Threatened Palm with Patent Suit Over No-Hire Policy
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Why is he in great trouble?
I think that active recruiting from other companies it is not illegal, am I wrong?
Well, aside from the upper management, what you're proposing is already happening.
Over half of Silicon Valley employees as Asian. IBM is also replacing almost all their American R&D staff with Asians & Indians. IBM expects by the latter-half of this decade, over 70% of their engineers will be of Korean, Chinese, Japanese or Indian descent.
And American patriots like LagunaSol and Iconoclysm still think Americans are the ones who lead in technology and make technological breakthroughs. Denial at its best, heh?
Do you believe what you read, or do you work in Silicon Valley?
Since I work in R&D at a semiconductor company and have worked at some of those companies you seem to know so much about.
You don't have a clue.
Do you have those links saved in Word file or something? Ready to go at a moments notice?
It took me all of 3 minutes to find the credible articles on Google and pull them back. No need to save them in a word file when simple searches like "Samsung Scandal" or "Samsung Bribery" pull the results back for you.
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They kinda also bribed judges and elected officials to get not one, but two pardons from the South Korean government:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/29/samsungs-former-chairman-pardoned-again/
Mother Teresa, indeed.
Huh?
Are you real?
You believe that companies do what is fair and right??
Companies don't have anything but interests and will do what they can to serve those interests. They will do unethical, illegal and immoral things to achieve their objectives.
If you believe anything else. I have some stock in a silver mine I'd like to sell you.
Compared to who? Most people have lied or threatened during their lifetimes. It's hardly surprising, and Steve wasn't the only one involved.
How could that not hurt salaries and job prospects in the valley??
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The implication is clear.
If you don't poach, you don't offer more for the employee.
it serves to depress salaries.
To put this whole mess in perspective here's what wall street thinks about this ungodly revelation :
AAPL is UP 7 points the day that analyst think Apple is going to miss it's mark.
That's how bad this way overblown story is.
AAPL is UP 7 points the day that analyst think Apple is going to miss it's mark.
That's how bad this way overblown story is.
Bingo!! And that's where there agreement run afoul.
They get to keep employees that may be the best of the best, but they don't need to pay the freight because they don't have to compete on salary with other top tier companies.
If you want the best, pay the freight.
Of course Wall Street doesn't care. It hardly affects the bottom lines of any company involved.
The only reason it's a big deal over here is that it provides evidence for the Apple Skeptics, who see Jobs as a misanthrope, to support their position, and it stirs up a strong backlash from the crowd that believes he was a demigod who could do no wrong.
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You are wrong.
As someone that works in Silicon Valley and someone that has had to hire employees.
1. Referrals from current employees are some of the best hires you will ever get.
2. Top people are hard to get and almost never looking unless completely pissed off.
3. Recruiting people that are currently employed at other firms gets you someone that it probably technically current. See number 1.
It not only hurt the employees directly. If hurt independent head hunters and everyone in my industry. It served to help cap salaries for years.
Right. This is all about tarnishing Steve's saintly image.
You're looking at it as Apple vs. The Rest of the World, which is hardly the case. If Apple has a guy well known for being a great UI builder the industry over, people are going to want to hire him. It happens all the time in every industry the world over. Someone has a knack for something, people want him working for them.
There are and were many ex-Palm employees working at Apple on iOS during the building of the Pre and WebOS. How does the opposite situation somehow excuse threatening a rival company from doing the same thing?
So long as their countermeasures are legal, you're right. This? It's a bit too dark grey and suspicious to consider it simply a CEO playing hardball.
lets look at logic for a second. Schmitt supposedly steals Apple's entire idea for a touch based OS while on the board at Apple.
...yet nothing happens to him. No lawsuits. No breach of trust or NDA agreements, no insider knowledge issues. Nothing. Steve Jobs, the man who happily screamed at everyone and everything and rarely ever had anything good to say about the competition or it's people...
...had absolutely nothing bad to say about Eric Schmitt, despite "stealing" iOS right out from under him.
Yet despite the writing on the wall, people endlessly perpetuate this whole idea that he's some big, clever corporate spy who screwed Apple over royally.
I'm wondering how anyone who has more than two brain cells to rub together can continue to believe he abused his position to further his own ends.
Right. If some competing corporation were to call you up one day and offer you a raise for coming to work for them, you wouldn't take it, I assume. You'd be more concerned with "doing the right thing".
I swear, this is the most half assed apology ridden post I've seen on this board in awhile. And that's saying quite a bit. You have absolutely no facts, no logic, to back up your statements. It's all feel-good "Apple is always right" BS, and nothing more.
To be more specific it provides more ammunition for the Apple haters who seem to have taken over a forum that I used to like.
Of course. And he had an infinite number of moral and legal means to accomplish exactly that.
But he chose means that hurt his employees, other companies, the American economy, and consumers worldwide.
It made bigger profits to shovel towards Wall Street, so he did it that way, all other considerations be damned.
It almost sounds like the cliche "You'll never work in this town again!" that horrible bosses in movies say.
I'm sure that Steve never said that to anybody though.
No, he went behind their backs and colluded with other fatcats to accomplish the same thing. Does that make it OK?
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Steve was not an innovator. He was instead a "great artist".
Apple haters. Uh huh. I guess if Steve Jobs killed someone in cold blood, and we weren't on here claiming he did it in self defense and is being screwed over by the courts...
...we'd be Apple haters in your eyes, right?
You know, it's very possible to say something negative about a company or call them out when they've done something wrong, and not be a "hater", right?
Your twisted definition of an 'Apple Hater' seems to be anyone who doesn't blindly follow them like it was Scientology. Apple is not perfect. They are just as slimy as Samsung, Google, Microsoft, Adobe, HP, Intel, Oracle, etc.
We dont have to agree with everything they do. To do so would be mind numbingly idiotic.
I use Apple products because I love the software. I dont buy "because its apple" - that would be stupid. If Apple stopped making decent things that do what I want, I'd go elsewhere - loyalty to a hardware or software company really is pointless. Buy what works. Dont buy for the label.
Every story does seem to polarize these days. When you're top dog, there are always throngs of people who want to see you dethroned.
I love my iPad, and to a lesser extent my iPhone, and would have serious withdrawals if forced to go back to a life pre-Mobile data. But I must admit that I miss the days where the next exciting rumor was "Powerbook G5 next Tuesday!" or "Widescreen iPod?".
Oh just wait until Apple gets slammed with losing the law suit and then slapped with another massive fine from the DoJ for it as well.
Apple is running a huge risk right now of being the company made an example out of it.
There are a few people like that, no doubt. But on the whole, I'd say most everyone here are Pro-Apple in some shape, form, or fashion.
...they just don't always hold a positive opinion of Apple over everything they do.
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Your best bet is to killfile posters whose opinions you dislike. You'll likely start to enjoy the forum more if you do that.
The Bozo Bin can be a useful tool.
What a great leader and manager was he.. He was working with great talent and he did everything he could to protect them from the greedy poachers.. I can't see anything wrong in that tbh..
RIP Steve..
You just keep on drinking that Kool-Aid! Oh yeah!!!