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In reality, slavery and exploitation make good product!!!! I love the products and morally condemn the sinner!

All commercial greatness is evil. And I enjoy the hell of its results!!!

As uncomfortable as it seem, Hitlers medical experiments on jews ended up on a silver platter to US Pharma, back then. No one condemned it or destroyed it. Instead they looted that knowledge and used it to make better drugs and money of course.
 
As uncomfortable as it seem, Hitlers medical experiments on jews ended up on a silver platter to US Pharma, back then. No one condemned it or destroyed it. Instead they looted that knowledge and used it to make better drugs and money of course.

Let's not invoke Hitler in this thread. It's not required or even relevant.
 
As uncomfortable as it seem, Hitlers medical experiments on jews ended up on a silver platter to US Pharma, back then. No one condemned it or destroyed it. Instead they looted that knowledge and used it to make better drugs and money of course.

Perfect analogy!!!
 
You have no problem purchasing products from such an immoral and evil company ?

Why should I? I am consumer -- I am first and foremost responsible for my benefit.

All products are created immorally - at some stage.

As citizen, I condenm the immorality of Apple.
 
Adolf Hitler made Germany industry, once again, one of the most efficient at the time.

Hitler's moral compass is wrong. So was Steve Jobs.

You're comparing Steve Jobs with Hitler? Seriously?

ETA: apologies for repeating what others have said. But Jobs = Hitler? The internet is a scary place.
 
Turns out no one here must - As this is an Apple forum, so you can probably count on your fingers the number of people here who don't own any Apple products.

Why should I? I am consumer -- I am first and foremost responsible for my benefit.

All products are created immorally - at some stage.

As citizen, I condenm the immorality of Apple.

I do miss the days of boycotting grapes.
 
As uncomfortable as it seem, Hitlers medical experiments on jews ended up on a silver platter to US Pharma, back then. No one condemned it or destroyed it. Instead they looted that knowledge and used it to make better drugs and money of course.

Why can't more people have such clear vision as you do?

In the meanwhile, let's enjoy Apple products, with the universal knowledge that more cruel the environment, the better the product.

At the same time, we need to adjust our own moral compass and condemn the sinners and the sins.

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Apple, mark my words.
STOP SUING

how much are your words worth?

Dirty vile practice makes Apple product perfect.

I love the products, condemn the practice.
 
That's why most americans are fanatic about this guy. He condenses the american liberal thinking both in terms of business and art.

Personally, I'm more friendly to the way european companies and people deal with earnings and altruism. An european company is capable of paying a little more for a worker because it's the right thing to do even though the worker can actually accept more pressure over his wage. Ok, europeans are not perfect when dealing with immigrants, but even with the immigrants subject they raise a lot of debates about how to deal with it keeping some degree of social welfare.

In USA, work and art are strongly tied to the money subject. That's why art in US is so "perfect", "well-executed" and therefore asseptic. It's all about money, reaching the majority of the public, it's all about maximizing earnings.

My testimony sounds depreciatory about the way americans lead their lifes, but, as I previously said, I like societies capable of dealing with gains and donations in a more equilibrated way. Also, Brazil - where I live - is far from dealing better with social inequalities.

My wife's from Brazil too. The social inequalities are even worse than they are here.
 
Just another example of what a control freak and rectal opening that Steve Jobs actually was. Employees should not be treated like property or slaves. An employee should have the right to leave and go elsewhere if they choose to do so.

Which is why they had it in contract that any employee can apply for any position himself and that's absolutely fine.

Can you people read or not?

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Apple invented no-hire policy agreements.

To all the folks here (mostly anti-apple trolls) — you've enough time to just go back to history — Atari/Xerox/Microsoft/Bill Gates/Google/Adobe and rewind and talk all ****, but basically you guys sound really mad.

You people sound so angry as if some Apple burnt your house or something? What's wrong with you folks?
 
Him being dead has bugger all to do with it. He'd still be under the same fire, and rightly so.

Very interesting. You have to remember, SJ was somebody's father. How would you feel if your father was head of a major corporation and people on the internet trashed him unmercifully daily? At the end of the day SJ hasn't hurt you personally and if so then don't buy his products but his family doesn't deserve him to be trashed on the internet. Don't judge anyone until you live life as a perfect person.
 
Why should I? I am consumer -- I am first and foremost responsible for my benefit.
Which is all well and good until we quickly hit Tragedy of the Commons territory and by being selfish and myopic we've ruined everything for everyone including ourselves.

Central to Hardin's article is an example (first sketched in an 1833 pamphlet by William Forster Lloyd) involving medieval land tenure in Europe, of herders sharing a common parcel of land, on which they are each entitled to let their cows graze. In Hardin's example, it is in each herder's interest to put the next (and succeeding) cows he acquires onto the land, even if the quality of the common is damaged for all as a result, through overgrazing. The herder receives all of the benefits from an additional cow, while the damage to the common is shared by the entire group. If all herders make this individually rational economic decision, the common will be depleted or even destroyed, to the detriment of all. Hardin also cites modern examples, including the overfishing of the world's oceans and ranchers who graze their cattle on government lands in the American West.
 
That's the kind of thinking that made Hitler possible.

Please don't be a Hitler. Please remit your money to my bank account.

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Very interesting. You have to remember, SJ was somebody's father. How would you feel if your father was head of a major corporation and people on the internet trashed him unmercifully daily? At the end of the day SJ hasn't hurt you personally and if so then don't buy his products but his family doesn't deserve him to be trashed on the internet. Don't judge anyone until you live life as a perfect person.

With that kind of money to enjoy like SJ, I would accept ten, hundred or thousand times more trashing the SJ does.

What a tragedy -- I am running out cake while no one else have bread to eat!!!!

Give me a break!
 
With that kind of money to enjoy like SJ, I would accept ten, hundred or thousand times more trashing the SJ does.

What a tragedy -- I am running out cake while no one else have bread to eat!!!!

Give me a break!

Then you're being inhuman by saying money is all it takes to make one happy. Give ME a break. :rolleyes:
 
Then you're being inhuman by saying money is all it takes to make one happy. Give ME a break. :rolleyes:

Say that to Steve Jobs... he would do anything, vile and dirty to make money. Hope he was happy for this tragic short life, leaving a wife with a vicious bitchy personality worse than Cinderella's stepmother!
 
Very interesting. You have to remember, SJ was somebody's father. How would you feel if your father was head of a major corporation and people on the internet trashed him unmercifully daily? At the end of the day SJ hasn't hurt you personally and if so then don't buy his products but his family doesn't deserve him to be trashed on the internet. Don't judge anyone until you live life as a perfect person.

Everyone is someone's father, or someone's son, or mother or daughter. That doesn't mean you're above reproach, and shouldn't be criticized for doing something someone else disagrees with. We're all open game, so long as it's kept at least somewhat civil.

...though the comparisons with Hitler are taking things about 100 steps too far.

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As uncomfortable as it seem, Hitlers medical experiments on jews ended up on a silver platter to US Pharma, back then. No one condemned it or destroyed it. Instead they looted that knowledge and used it to make better drugs and money of course.

Are you talking about the Mengele experiments? I thought his records were kept sealed as a show of respect to his victims. Only a handful of people have seen them, and no one's benefited from them as of yet.

...yeah, this topic has gone way the hell off course. :p
 
Everyone is someone's father, or someone's son, or mother or daughter. That doesn't mean you're above reproach, and shouldn't be criticized for doing something someone else disagrees with. We're all open game, so long as it's kept at least somewhat civil.

...though the comparisons with Hitler are taking things about 100 steps too far.

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Are you talking about the Mengele experiments? I thought his records were kept sealed as a show of respect to his victims. Only a handful of people have seen them, and no one's benefited from them as of yet.

...yeah, this topic has gone way the hell off course. :p

To benefit from the experiment for the greater good would be the most honorable respect for those victim. Using your logic, we should not wear gold jewelry because most gold was mined under the Apartheid South Africa. We should lock up the gold out the respect for those got killed by the evil apartheid regime?????

What if we have a line of wonderful products, created by evil like Steve Jobs who detroyes countless people's livelihood, exploits millions of chinese slave labor, steals taxpayer's money, and we bury them forever, that would be true tragedy. I, for one, am happily enjoying Apple products.
 
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Hitler went a bit excessive in correcting and eliminating a vile group of people in Europe who had been eating away the moral fabric of European society for centuries. He was rightly punished.

Steve Jobs, not unlike those who had a cancerous effect on European society, implemented similar practice in modern America -- money at all cost, especially conscience. His true color should be shown.
 
Hitler went a bit excessive in correcting and eliminating a vile group of people in Europe who had been eating away the moral fabric of European society for centuries. He was rightly punished.

Steve Jobs, not unlike those who had a cancerous effect on European society, implemented similar practice in modern America -- money at all cost, especially conscience. His true color should be shown.

'a bit excessive' - wow. 'A vile group of people in Europe' - bigger wow.

It's really sad that people think the way you do. Tragic in fact.
 
To benefit from the experiment for the greater good would be the most honorable respect for those victim. Using your logic, we should not wear gold jewelry because most gold was mined under the Apartheid South Africa. We should lock up the gold out the respect for those got killed by the evil apartheid regime?????

First, not my logic. I'm just stating something I thought was fact.

Secondly, you're thinking diamonds, not gold.

Thirdly...errrgghghghhh
 
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