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Steve Jobs Threatened Palm with Patent Suit Over No-Hire Policy
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immoral apple
I own 7 apple devices. enjoy and benefit from them.
However, i do believe apple as company is very very very immoral.
I condemn slavery, i enjoy the US Capital building which was built by slaves.
As a consumer, I consume ONLY according to my cost and benefit consideration. However, I do voice my condemnation on immoral corporations like Apple and worst evil of 20th century -- Steve Jobs
I own 7 apple devices. enjoy and benefit from them.
However, i do believe apple as company is very very very immoral.
I condemn slavery, i enjoy the US Capital building which was built by slaves.
As a consumer, I consume ONLY according to my cost and benefit consideration. However, I do voice my condemnation on immoral corporations like Apple and worst evil of 20th century -- Steve Jobs
Absolutely none. I enjoy the magnificance of US Capitol building too. It was built with slave labor and cruelty.
I morally condemn slavery, Apple and Steve Jobs.
I am consumer, I am not an ethicist. I consume on one priciple only: Cost and Benefit.
I dunno about that. Steve Jobs was kind of a petulant ass on occasion, but he also is one of the people directly responsible for making the computer industry as popular and widespread as it is today. I wouldn't consider him anywhere close to being evil.
Adolf Hitler made Germany industry, once again, one of the most efficient at the time.
Hitler's moral compass is wrong. So was Steve Jobs.
...oh Jesus.
Last time I checked, Steve Jobs wasn't directly responsible for the death of millions through pogroms and a half decade long global war. The worst thing you can pin on him are a bunch of pointless, waste of time BS patent lawsuits and maybe a few underhanded corporate schemes like the subject of this thread.
He wasn't evil. Just...er...bastardly sometimes. Pretty much like every other CEO out there.
Last time I checked, Steve Jobs wasn't directly responsible for the death of millions through pogroms and a half decade long global war. The worst thing you can pin on him are a bunch of pointless, waste of time BS patent lawsuits and maybe a few underhanded corporate schemes like the subject of this thread.
He wasn't evil. Just...er...bastardly sometimes. Pretty much like every other CEO out there.
Actually you are mistating the "no poaching" agreement; unsurprising because the article above is pretty sloppy on the fine points. There was an agreement among a number of Silicon Valley companies not to actively solicit each other's employees. There was no agreement not to hire another company's employee if that employee took the initiave on his/her own. That, indeed, would have been 100% illegal if it were in place.
This was a reaction to periods in Silicon Valley history when engineers were in such short supply that they were changing jobs every six months at 20% pay raises. It may not have been right, but it wasn't "slavery", and there was a context that led up to that point.
With billions of dollar in his pocket, he would force his own flesh and blood kid to get on social welfare. That's the lowest of all humanity!
I don't know much about his life beyond the few minutes I saw of Pirates of Silicon Valley, but didn't he end up taking responsibility for said kid?
depriving others freedom to find job is worse that slavery!!!!
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yes. after years of denial and countless taxpayers dollar!
As the OP to whom I responded, said. I buy the products for what value it gives me for the money I can afford. I do have my prejudices and favorites.
As for for how Apple or Steve Jobs operates/operated, why does it matter as far as the end product is to my satisfaction?
So do I not condemn slave or child labor? Of course, but that's why there are laws to prevent than, isn't it? If not, then it's the lawmakers we need to be ranting about. Corporation's exist to make money. Recently the attitude has been do anything to make that happen. It's the moral obligation of the society and the representatives it chooses to represent them that has to make sure Evil corporations do not exist or are not doing business with evil means.
If you think Apple is the Thyssen Krupp or Bayer(Zyklon-B) of the Hitler era then it was Hitler that was the root of the problem not the other way around as I see it, those busineses are still thriving today. You might have just taken a elevator made by Krupp today to come to work!
And should I mention the treasonous colllusion that IBM offer Hitler to more efficently kill Jews and keeping records?
I totally agree with you. Steve Jobs is evil. I love using Apple products. period.
That's why most americans are fanatic about this guy. He condenses the american liberal thinking both in terms of business and art.
Personally, I'm more friendly to the way european companies and people deal with earnings and altruism. An european company is capable of paying a little more for a worker because it's the right thing to do even though the worker can actually accept more pressure over his wage. Ok, europeans are not perfect when dealing with immigrants, but even with the immigrants subject they raise a lot of debates about how to deal with it keeping some degree of social welfare.
In USA, work and art are strongly tied to the money subject. That's why art in US is so "perfect", "well-executed" and therefore asseptic. It's all about money, reaching the majority of the public, it's all about maximizing earnings.
My testimony sounds depreciatory about the way americans lead their lifes, but, as I previously said, I like societies capable of dealing with gains and donations in a more equilibrated way. Also, Brazil - where I live - is far from dealing better with social inequalities.
You paint the world with far too broad a brush. If I were to compare the hijinks of Steve Jobs to that of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Shiro Ishii, and...hell...pick and choose, he'd come up pretty wanting on the grand scale of horrors wrought.
He wasn't even a little evil. Neglecting his kid? Yeah, that was a bastard thing to do, but at least he finally took responsibility for her. Same with all the lawsuits, corporate finagling, and the rest. It's petty, but not evil.
Ignoring??? No, he vehmently denied that his reproductive organ ever worked, in court, under perjury!!!!! He would go to that length, paying lawyers hundreds of thousands of dollar, so that his own infant flesh and blood would live in poverty and taxpayer would shed money. That's not ignoring, that's harming infant, the society with very very passionate desire!!!
In retrospect, yeah that was a dark period in our history. Swiss banks were also the main culprit. They helped hoard all the stolen gold.
Steve jobs, well he is a mixed bag. For all the wonderful people that worked for him and did great things, there are also a lot of great people that reviled him and quit. But of course we never hear about those. Winners write history
IMHO, I think people who got caught up in his "Reality distortion field" were the ones who stuck it out and delivered great things. Others, well they simply saw the BS. People were overworked, under compensated and he was a stickler for money, if you go by what you read by his colleagues, ex employees etc.. Lot of people might disagree but he conned Woz of thousands of dollars in the first deal he ever made, shafted andy herschfeld of valuable money for his multi tasking app in the early years, refused to pay royalties where it was due ( ex. blu ray) etc etc...
It took Tim Cook to give all the Apple employees a raise and a week of thanksgiving holiday. Steve was a slave driver, for sure. He sold the idea that "You work for me and Apple and you should do magical things and change the world. Not worry about your compensation"...
The consolation would have been, if he ended that idea with..."I will take care of your compensation"..
Yes. We agree that even 1 degree is a difference. Which is why I said exactly. They are not the same or synonymous as you suggested. You're welcome.
In retrospect, yeah that was a dark period in our history. Swiss banks were also the main culprit. They helped hoard all the stolen gold.
Steve jobs, well he is a mixed bag. For all the wonderful people that worked for him and did great things, there are also a lot of great people that reviled him and quit. But of course we never hear about those. Winners write history
IMHO, I think people who got caught up in his "Reality distortion field" were the ones who stuck it out and delivered great things. Others, well they simply saw the BS. People were overworked, under compensated and he was a stickler for money, if you go by what you read by his colleagues, ex employees etc.. Lot of people might disagree but he conned Woz of thousands of dollars in the first deal he ever made, shafted andy herschfeld of valuable money for his multi tasking app in the early years, refused to pay royalties where it was due ( ex. blu ray) etc etc...
It took Tim Cook to give all the Apple employees a raise and a week of thanksgiving holiday. Steve was a slave driver, for sure. He sold the idea that "You work for me and Apple and you should do magical things and change the world. Not worry about your compensation"...
The consolation would have been, if he ended that idea with..."I will take care of your compensation"..
In reality, slavery and exploitation make good product!!!! I love the products and morally condemn the sinner!
All commercial greatness is evil. And I enjoy the hell of its results!!!