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Steve Jobs to Give WWDC 2007 Keynote

Clive At Five said:
To me it sounds like you'll stretch/twist/bend any announcement about OS X and bend it into "more iPhone garbage" so that you can complain.

I know a lot of people are upset about Leopard, but you just need to relax. Tiger is still the most advanced consumer-oriented operating system on the market. And it's not like Apple CANCELED Leopard. They just set it back 120 days. Can't you wait that long?

Besides, the iPhone *is* a revolutionary device. Leopard, on the whole, is not as revolutionary (at least that we know of). The iPhone will add a fortune to Apple's bottom line. No it's not for everyone, and yes it sucks that it has its limitations, but niether the same applies to every single one of Apple's products. Like, I know the Mac Pro is way too powerful for me. I know that the iPhone is out of my price range. I know that the Mac Mini won't be powerful enough to do what I want it to.

Here's the thing though: I can gaurantee that Apple has, at some point, delayed a product release to work on a project that didn't apply to me. Does that mean they alienated and abandoned me? No. It just means I had to wait another 4 months to buy that product.

You have to think about what is in Apple's best interest as opposed to your best interest. A delay in Leopard had/has some detrimental effects, but they are limited. A delay of the iPhone would have been catastrophic, not only for Apple's reputation, but also its stock price.

Leopard needed to be delayed.

-Clive
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I don't think that is fair. saying that I don't have a reason to be upset is just not right.

why?

Last year, nov, I wanted to buy iwork 06 but I thought... no no no... wait 2 months and then you can get iwork 07... because they ALWAYS update these apps at macworld.... so I wait, and no mention... well... OK... I guess I can wait..... until early spring.

Early spring rolls around.... rumors and hints point to a june release. hmmm darn... but ok... I have faith steve.

But now I have to wait until oct for a product that should have been released in january. Why did they lump (so the rumors go) iwork, ilife and leopard together if your going to delay leopard?

If leopard is second to the iphone at least give us the ilife and iwork apps now.

Sorry... I have three products I want to buy (really badly) and I have to wait for all three so a product can be released, that I can't even buy (i'm in canada) (I also wanted to buy ilife 07)

So I don't have a reason to be annoyed?
 
Peace said:
With product managers having time to run around taking pics with the iPhone while eating pizza Apple darn well better show us some stuff other than the iPhone.
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Toast, my friend. Eating toast.

And what are you saying? That no Apple employee should be able to eat breakfast with friends until the iPhone and Leopard are completed?

sheesh.

-Clive
 
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<Sorry, couldn't resist>:D

Clive At Five said:
Toast, my friend. Eating toast.

And what are you saying? That no Apple employee should be able to eat breakfast with friends until the iPhone and Leopard are completed?

sheesh.

-Clive
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That's right. Coke and Twinkies only until yer done!
 
glennyboiwpg said:
Last year, nov, I wanted to buy iwork 06 but I thought... no no no... wait 2 months and then you can get iwork 07... because they ALWAYS update these apps at macworld.... so I wait, and no mention... well... OK... I guess I can wait..... until early spring.

[...]

So I don't have a reason to be annoyed?
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Apple has only released iLife and iWork at MWSF twice, IIRC. However, they started the somewhat unfortunate yearly naming convention. Still that doesn't guarantee an '07 release. MS Office releases a new office every 3 or 4 years, naming it after the release year, regardless of the gaps.

And, by the way, I'm not saying you don't have a reason to be annoyed. I'm saying you should consider the bigger picture before complaining about it. Like I said, releasing the iPhone means more for the near-term success of Apple than releasing Leopard.

-Clive
 
Clive At Five said:
Toast, my friend. Eating toast.

And what are you saying? That no Apple employee should be able to eat breakfast with friends until the iPhone and Leopard are completed?

sheesh.

-Clive
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My post was supposed to be dripping with humor/sarcasm..And I didn't pay that much attention to a pic of a guy eating something.

I am VERY well aware of all the time consuming hassles getting Leopard out the door..

sheesh.

-Peace ;)
 
Not News Or Rumor...

This isn't a surprise at all.

A surprise would be...

Apple will be giving out a developers kit for the iPHONE... :eek:

unfortunately, the Linksys iPHONE :(

Seriously, the new Slingplayer 1.0 is more interesting than this. I know engadget and gizmodo already did write ups about it, but the fact that it has exclusive :apple: TV connectivity for Mac users is pretty impressive... I think.

Just wish there was more information available about it.
 
djellison said:
A company with $770M quarterly profits, $7B of cold hard cash in the bank...and it doesn't have the manpower to design a phone and a laptop?
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oh, oh, but that is "investors" money :rolleyes:

bunch of crap if you ask me. I agree... they can't afford to woo some top notch people to help immediately? its not like they're throwing their money away by hiring 5-10 people, shortened product dev time means income sooner.
 
Peace said:
With product managers having time to run around taking pics with the iPhone while eating pizza Apple darn well better show us some stuff other than the iPhone.
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I don't think that's very fair... I know some people at apple, and they work horrible hours. Honestly I don't think I could work there due to the pressure they are constantly under.

P.S. it was toast :)
 
drumpat01 said:
I have this feeling that we are going to be utterly dissapointed with whatever these "Top Secret" features are.
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I dunno... I think a lot of people were jazzed about Time Machine, Spaces and the new functionalities of Mail, iChat and Dashboard widgets.

I am totally excited about 64-bit power to programs to come and Core Animation will be awesome, allowing some radical stuff with our photographs (among many other uses!)

I think that the Secret stuff will be even better and I am very excited.
 
Whining?

Seriously, will someone burp you guys? All the whining and crying makes me think I'm home with my three kids.

Apple innovations come out far more quickly than most any other industry leader, and yet you piss and moan because Leopard gets delayed a few months over iPhone development. Probably the same people who were wetting their shorts when the iPhone was first announced over how cool it was and they just had to have one.

How do you think they got so good at what they do? By being a lean, streamlined organization. Sometimes that means things get delayed. I'm glad this is a Mac Forum and not one for Vista! Imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth there would be!

Let's all remember that quality takes time.
 
We already know what to expect:

-Talk about iPhone and development (will be released right around WWDC)
-Talk about Leopard
-Release a new pro machine, which would likely be a new macbookpro (santa rosa architecture)
 
And to add something to the discussion, I'm STILL very much hoping that there will be a revision of the MBP come WWDC. I was originally planning on getting the next rev with Leopard installed but that was before the release got moved to October. I need a laptop soon so I guess I'll need to spring for another $100 or so when 10.5 is released. Oh well.
 
I always look forward to SJ presentations...

Can't wait to see the top secret features in Leopard that I have been waiting for either!

Be good to see the iPhone going in to production too - get some real perspectives as to how it stands up to the competition.
 
Waffle

Sounds very like the Waffle file system/OS that is used by NetApps. The implementation of the technology was great. Mounting the backups to the end users removes a significant amount of support for restores.

Anyone thought of problems yet ?

How about user education. "Yes, I know you have a backup but it is on the same disk."

Egomaniac said:
Keep in mind that we (probably) already know about one of the "top secret" features: ZFS. Apple has made no official announcement that ZFS will be in Leopard, and if it hadn't been for the leaks, we still wouldn't know about it. Considering that ZFS is a big deal and Apple appears to have taken pains to hide it, it's almost certainly one of the top secret features.

It's also worth pointing out that Time Machine uses hard links to make it look like each dated backup directory is in fact a complete copy of your hard disk, at a different point in time. This, as far as I know, is unusual for a backup program -- I'm not aware of any others which structure their backups this way. It's also exactly what ZFS snapshots look like -- a bunch of directories, each of which contains a complete copy of your hard disk at a different point in time. Couple the ZFS-friendly layout with the fact that Time Machine now does hourly backups (which is perfectly reasonable for snapshots, but probably too frequent if you have to store a complete copy of each modified file), and I'm 95% confident that Time Machine will in fact use ZFS and snapshots rather than HFS+ and hard links when it ships.

But, of course, we already know all this, so it's not "top secret" and everyone is going to say "That's it?!? But we already knew about ZFS!". Just because we already know about something doesn't mean it's not one of the "top secret" features. I'd love to get some nice surprises, but I'm more than happy with the things we already know about Leopard. It's going to be a nice upgrade.
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With the full presentation of Leapord in June, does that mean laptops bought in June can have a free upgrade to Leapord when it comes out in October?
 
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