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So its best for them to continue using what amounts to slave labor in poor conditions for sake of profit?

If Apple were willing to take their margins down to what other companies and even if it required an extra $50 or so be added to some products price tag, I doubt you'd find any US resident complaining. I know I'd gladly pay extra for a product made here rather than one made in, again, a situation that amounts to slave labor.

Isn't slave labor where the master has a right to kill you if you try to quit?
 
Your photoshop is pretty sad. If you are going to post a photoshopped picture, please post one that is so obviously not a fake.

The white lines around the Kings beard is soooooo..... lame.
How can you possibly live in the USA, and wave that "don't tread on me" banner, and wear the sigs you have worn... and yet be so out of touch? Do you only watch Faux News Fraudcast or what???


No Coke, Pepsi.

No Pepsi, Coke.

Monkey see; monkey do.
 
i dont know why they even debate this, he'll be out of office in a year anyway.

No he won't. Who will he be ousted by, Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney? Don't make me laugh, until the republicans get their **** together and stop being a mob of clowns (not gonna happen anytime soon) none of them are a threat to Obama.
 
Who knows if the meeting happened ?

Any photos ?

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He is there and he looks nowhere near like the guy on the tabloid.

I would need to see more photos before drawing that conclusion. Either from the Cancer Center or from the Obama meet.

There's one photo of him, he's sitting down, it's taken from the back, and it's rather dark, and Peter Souza, who I would guess is the photographer, gets to pick which to release or not.
 
I would need to see more photos before drawing that conclusion. Either from the Cancer Center or from the Obama meet.

There's one photo of him, he's sitting down, it's taken from the back, and it's rather dark, and Peter Souza, who I would guess is the photographer, gets to pick which to release or not.
Actually if you look at the second pic (above) you can see Steve Jobs' head just behind Obama's left shoulder.

It seems as if all the pics being released are the ones that do not show Jobs clearly… perhaps out of courtesy.
 
Actually if you look at the second pic (above) you can see Steve Jobs' head just behind Obama's left shoulder.

It seems as if all the pics being released are the ones that do not show Jobs clearly… perhaps out of courtesy.

That's probably true about the second photo. But while you can recognize him from the first, you would only recognize him in the second by deducting it from the attendants, and it could, but I doubt it, actually be Dick Costolo.
 
If he meets with Steve Jobs there's no need to meet with Eric Schmidt. It's like mixing a Macallan 57 Lalique Single Malt with Coke.

For most people Google is far more valuable than Apple in terms of what they have brought to the world.
 
For most people Google is far more valuable than Apple in terms of what they have brought to the world.

Altavista+, Hotmail 2, and MapInfo Pro?

Or are you referring to the joy of having our personal information gathered, packaged, and sold to advertisers?
 
how lame. o'bama is taking economic policy advice from jobs and facebook zukenberg? ugh. i can't wait till 2012 for this joke to be over.
 
Altavista+, Hotmail 2, and MapInfo Pro?

Or are you referring to the joy of having our personal information gathered, packaged, and sold to advertisers?

And you think the majority of people care about how information is used? Let us not forget that Google is not the sole company that does this. Hell I actually agree with you on that point and even spent the last week tracking down which Amazon/Ebay seller sold my information after receiving a spam letter at a new address so I'm not defending Google there.



But frankly, they have the most popular search engine out there. That didn't happen just by luck but they really worked to make it the most popular. And while you and I care about innovation (again I agree, Google is practically one step behind Apple in every new venture and not too ashamed to blatantly copy them in the process) I think there are more people who use Google products (including its search engine!) than Apple products.

And referring to the examples you provided, where do you draw the line? Was the iPhone not innovative then, because there were touchscreen devices around before?
 
how lame. o'bama is taking economic policy advice from jobs and facebook zukenberg? ugh. i can't wait till 2012 for this joke to be over.

Hmm lets see asking for and getting advice from a room full of people with their fingers on the pulse of modern society or sending the VP out to discuss economic issues with officials from Exxon, Shell, BP and Conoco. :rolleyes:
 
You really think no Americans want to work in manufacturing? Tell that to all the former auto workers in Detroit.
Oh, please. What, you know 7 people willing to be coal miners for $8/hour? Waahh. Re-read what I wrote:
people here don't want to do this work, not in the numbers it takes to
But he's now too thin to be photographed by actual cameras, so you won't see any pics.
Hmm, must need the new Sigma, if it would ever come out.
 
I understand what you mean but the thing is that you have to look at the situation strictly from a business point of view. Isn't doing business all about maximizing profits? :confused: If one has the ability to earn more, wouldn't one do so (even when it doesn't really "look that nice" to others? :confused: Who in their right frame of mind would give up the opportunity to earn more if they are able to do so? :confused:

You also have to understand that Apple, just like any other big corporation, is a business, not a "charity" organization. :eek:

Actually no, it's not strictly about maximizing products. It's also about maximizing integrity and good will, both of which are so important they've got a line for it on financial statements for it.

For example, Mesa Boogie has steadfastly refused to manufacturer amps across seas, even if it meant having a cheap model to sell so that they can bring in more customers. Even other high end makers of similar products, such as Bogner, have offshored at least one line to bring in more sales. Peavey, who was once the symbol of USA manufacturing in the musical equipment industry, has a ton of stuff made in China.

But Mesa Boogie, probably at the risk of not growing as fast or as much, has stuck to their guns. I commend them for that, and buy their stuff exclusively, even though it's easily twice as much because of it.

The problem isn't Americans wanting to work, its the demands of the Unions.

Agreed.

Either there's a ghost eating my posts, or biased mods here.

Why not delete every bit of the argument instead of just the liberal side? I understand the need for moderation on here, but trolls need moderating more than debaters. There wasn't a flame war going on. Nothing was too serious. If mods start deleting every point I post, I'll be on my way to a better mac site. (there are plenty out there)

I know you could probably use the excuse, "my content wasn't relevant to the topic" and I know that. But neither are other people's posts that are still here. Please send me a PM explaining this to me since i have no idea who's deleting everything. I don't understand how anyone gets to be a mod from being so passive aggressive towards someone with differing opinions than himself.

Or maybe NewsCorp bought out macrumors? :p

I don't know, MR tends to let a lot of stuff slide, even though much of it is ridiculous. Gotta love all that arguing, so that they increase their clicks!! I'm not sure I've ever actually seen a moderator participating in discussion. Just don't directly insult someone. Then you'll get a time-out or ban. Short of that, have fun!
 
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Actually no, it's not strictly about maximizing products. It's also about maximizing integrity and good will, both of which are so important they've got a line for it on financial statements for it.

"Goodwill" on a financial statement is not the same as "good will." It's the value of a company beyond the value of its capital and assets. For example, the value of brand awareness, synergy created by combining assets, expectation of future performance, etc.
 
"Goodwill" on a financial statement is not the same as "good will." It's the value of a company beyond the value of its capital and assets. For example, the value of brand awareness, synergy created by combining assets, expectation of future performance, etc.

Fully realize that. The value to consumers of something being USA made could be considered part of "goodwill" as it applies to financials.

I would totally spend more money on a Mac if it were MIA, in line with something I'd see from Mesa/Boogie or PRS. However if it were made like a Chrysler or GM product, probably not. :D
 
How can you possibly live in the USA, and wave that "don't tread on me" banner, and wear the sigs you have worn... and yet be so out of touch? Do you only watch Faux News Fraudcast or what???

Stay comfortable and believe the data handed to you. The truth is typically what is not said in the news. Love to see what you have produced.
 
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