I believe it was for illustrative purposes for all the people who swear that there are no similarities. As asked already, why aren't the other OEMs doing what Samsung is doing? Surely, that indicates that you can differentiate when it comes to presentation right?
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Steve Jobs Tried Unsuccessfully to Defuse Patent Dispute with Samsung in 2010
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I believe it was for illustrative purposes for all the people who swear that there are no similarities. As asked already, why aren't the other OEMs doing what Samsung is doing? Surely, that indicates that you can differentiate when it comes to presentation right?
Very interesting blog. Jonathan is quite the lucid industry observer now that he's not CEO of Sun. This part stands out :
So did Apple just make Samsung more relevant ? The iPad would probably have destroyed the Tab 10.1 in the market and while the Galaxy line of phones is successful, but it's nowhere near the iPhone in terms of unit sales. Did Apple just help Samsung push out a few more units ?
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Because it's fashionable to call Samsung a copycat instead of looking at the real facts in the cases.
If ever there was a quotation that has been as thoroughly misued, and misunderstood, by the tech community - it would be this one.
(I will note that, although attributed by Steve Jobs to Pablo Picasso, there is no actual record of Picasso ever having said it. But thats another story.)
Picasso was, unquestionably, one of the greatest artists of the twentieth century. And throughout his artistic career he was unquestionably influenced by the work of other artists - both living and dead. The techniques he used, the interplay of perspective, symbols, light, shadow, shading, and brushwork can be found rooted in the works of every one from Edvard Munch and Toulouse-Lautrec to unnamed African carvers.
And yet (and this is the important point) - there is not a single one of Picasso's works that looks in any way similar to, or derivative of, another artist's painting or sculpture. Picasso's work, from the Blue Period to his later Neo-Expressionism is instantly identifiable as being uniquely a Picasso.
Please stop using the Steve Jobs interview quote as a justification for Samsung's theft and copying. It doesn't impress anyone, and it just makes you look uncultured at best. Foolish at worst.
Huh? Have you never seen the PC vs Mac ads that Apple ran for a couple of years?
Tony
Yeah. I have. And seriously, they don't call windows enough bad names
Sorry, I have to disagree with you.
As for Android having IP problem's? Who knew?
Oracle surely did and Motorola was happy to let Google know.
So, what exactly gives a company the right to enter a business in which that company has to use IP from other companies or entities without compensation? Is that basic OSS philosophy?
About what ? That Florian is anti-OSS or biased ? Some reading material then :
http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Florian_Müller
They may be less so now that their lawsuit is crumbling like a stack of burnt toast.
Which IP are we talking about ? The "rounded corners" rectangle Apple is pretending to have the exclusive rights to ? The one the Dutch court said wouldn't hold up in court but that Dusseldorf just said "Samsung could've designed it differently" without commenting on the validity of said design ?
Because right now, Samsung has been found non-infringing against more claims that they have been found infringing against. And of the 2 infringment claims that have been "upheld" (the Dusseldorf decision is not a ruling about infringment per se, just about an injunction for a possible infringment), 1 is fixed, the other is contradictory with the Dutch decision.
Hardly the "blatant copying" you make it sound to be. The reality is much more grey than the black and white you paint it as or that Florian likes to display in his hurry to bash Google and any other FOSS projects.
It's always awesome when people try to out bias, by linking to a biased site...
What are you even talking about? The case has gone nowhere and no one side has any advantage or disadvantage. Seriously, stop spreading crap with no substantiation.
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Samsung a copycat? NO....
Has anyone seen this link yet?
Pretty funny...
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/09/28/no-comment-proof-that-samsung-shamelessly-copies-apple/?fb_ref=article&fb_source=home_oneline
Has anyone seen this link yet?
Pretty funny...
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/09/28/no-comment-proof-that-samsung-shamelessly-copies-apple/?fb_ref=article&fb_source=home_oneline
So, what exactly gives a company (Google) the right to enter a business in which that company has to use IP from other companies or entities without compensation? Is that basic OSS philosophy?
FUD. You know Apple has made no such claim.
The German court did comment on the validity of the design. It was posted in the thread. You ignore it because you don't agree with source of the translation.
No, all we've seen so far is rulings for preliminary injunctions and one patent thrown out.
So what about all the IP Apple infringes on and is in court for without compensating the IP holders for it ?
Double standards much ?
The fact is, no one can really know what IP is held by who or how valid or applicable said IP actually is. Again, the Dutch said the same Community Design registration was not enforceable and found the Tab 10.1 non-infringing on it. The Germans thought differently. Kinda shows the whole subjectiveness of it. Now you say you want Samsung to just compensate Apple for this ?
The plain fact is, nothing is so black and white as your loaded question suggests in the IP world, hence these lawsuits and hence why we as consumers shouldn't pick sides in all of this. Let the courts sort it out and just hope that it doesn't drive prices up too much for us.
Man - thank God we have all you eager FOSS-patents readers. So I basically have some very faulty eyes when I can buy a Galaxy Tab from the German Amazon webpage.
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Steve Jobs's attempt to "defuse" patent dispute:
Steve: Hey there. It's Steve Jobs.
Sam CEO: Hi.
Steve: You know, we see that you're making a black rectangular-shaped object one can talk into that can facilitate the mobile communication between two parties. We already make this dark-colored rectangular object. We would like for you to abandon all plans you have to manufacture and market your product and remove all remotely similar products from all your supply chains. If you don't, as the largest, most well-funded corporation, with the meanest lawyers, on the face of this planet, we will crush you and your children. You don't piss off Steve Jobs! What say you?
Sam CEO: who is this?
Steve: Prepare for mass litigational destruction!
Steve: Hey there. It's Steve Jobs.
Sam CEO: Hi.
Steve: You know, we see that you're making a black rectangular-shaped object one can talk into that can facilitate the mobile communication between two parties. We already make this dark-colored rectangular object. We would like for you to abandon all plans you have to manufacture and market your product and remove all remotely similar products from all your supply chains. If you don't, as the largest, most well-funded corporation, with the meanest lawyers, on the face of this planet, we will crush you and your children. You don't piss off Steve Jobs! What say you?
Sam CEO: who is this?
Steve: Prepare for mass litigational destruction!
Oh yes - they did claim specifically a rectangle shape, rounded corners, a glass cover and a black bezel. That's what their community design registration is about.
Just as they registered nearly every possible button layout for phones. Go read it up before calling it FUD.
In the photos it's obvious there's an even more egregious violation committed by Samsung.
If one looks closely you can see that they are using the same _exact_ shade of the color black for their phones.
Don't they realize it's Apple's innovation that created that shade of black ?
How dare they?
Samsung... what a bunch of rats.
If one looks closely you can see that they are using the same _exact_ shade of the color black for their phones.
Don't they realize it's Apple's innovation that created that shade of black ?
How dare they?
Samsung... what a bunch of rats.
Again, no, they didn't. The offered an opinion that it was too minimalist. They ruled that it did not qualify for a preliminary injunction. The actual court case is a year or so away.
The non-infringement ruling on the Tab 10.1 was in reference to the photo swiping patent, not the community design.
And Apple will be applying for a patent on mobile electronics made in black and in white. Just to make sure nobody infringes in their innovation.
Which is different than what KnightWRX claimed, although it's still not a complete description of Apple's actual claim. Apple did not claim to have exclusive rights to a "'rounded corners' rectangle".
Read another fun fact the other day (actually a few weeks ago). Apparently, theres a quite strong correlation between "getting sued" and "being innovative". Or so research would have us believe.
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edit: honestly? down-voted for citing research? god i need to get out of this place. if only i could stop trolling myself...
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Yeah. seriously. The germans are right, the Dutch wrong. Apple is totally in the right to own the rectangle with rounded corners :
http://es.scribd.com/doc/61944044/Community-Design-000181607-0001
There's no correlation between getting voted down on macrumors and life. Here look, I'll vote myself down.
Yeah. seriously. The germans are right, the Dutch wrong. Apple is totally in the right to own the rectangle with rounded corners :
http://es.scribd.com/doc/61944044/Community-Design-000181607-0001
Dude, get a grip! Its about totality n'stuff!