Steve Jobs Would Have Been 62 Today While MacRumors Turns 17

[BoltmanLives]

Jeez... Where do I start.

So far you have STILL not shown where TC has lied saying the government wanted Apple to create a backdoor. It didn't happen. You're just obfuscating in an attempt to walk back what you claimed.

Apple has never claimed it could not unlock the seized phone. Apple asserted the government should not be able to compel Apple to comply, setting a dangerous precedent.

One more time, please provide a credible link quoting TC saying what you originally claimed.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/02/17/t...or-to-unlock-san-bernardino-attackers-iphone/


"We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.

Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.

The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control." -Tim Cook CEO of Apl Inc

LIES

 

[citysnaps]

https://techcrunch.com/2016/02/17/t...or-to-unlock-san-bernardino-attackers-iphone/


"We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.

Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.

The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control." -Tim Cook CEO of Apl Inc

Apple writing a special version of iOS that would be installed to unlock a seized iPhone in the possession of law enforcement, or Apple, so that the passcode could be subsequently brute-forced and the phone's contents accessed, is not a backdoor. I'm surprised you don't know that.

 

[BoltmanLives]

Apple writing a special version of iOS that would be installed to unlock a seized iPhone in the possession of law enforcement, or Apple, so that the passcode could be subsequently brute-forced is not a backdoor. I'm surprised you don't know that.

TELL TIM THAT not ME

If I were Tims dad I'd wash his lying mouth out with soap.

 

[citysnaps]

TELL TIM THAT not ME

If I were Tims dad I'd wash his lying mouth out with soap.

OK, got it.

You claim to know what a backdoor is. And, knowing that the FBI did not ask Apple to write a backdoor, and knowing TC said the FBI tried to compel Apple to write a modified iOS to install on a seized phone to brute-force the password, you're still calling TC a liar.

That's all I need to know.

 

[MH01]

Like that's the only thing Apple have released from 2012-2017...
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Are you basing this on anything more than how good Tim is at giving keynotes compared to Steve?

Honestly wondering. I've seen comments here saying Craig should be CEO. People seem to think stage presence = good CEO.

Not at all. From a financial point of view , Tim is a great choice, the company is safe. The other current execs are poor choices compared to Tim . That's more of a reflection of Steve and the people he had around him .

 

[BoltmanLives]

Not at all. From a financial point of view , Tim is a great choice, the company is safe. The other current execs are poor choices compared to Tim . That's more of a reflection of Steve and the people he had around him .

Safe is relative, Apl is ripe to be fully disrupted and a higher debt load than ever, their eco is forever weakened and at-risk apl users are higher than in the past decade, the industry has caught up and arguably surpassed apl. I see a company with 70+% of their eggs in a declining basket with a 10yo flagship money maker throwing darts aimlessly everywhere..I don't think Apl has ever had to really focus , they have had it relatively easy and been at the right place at the right time when industrial design in technology was limited , times started to run out as everyone does industrial design arguably better now.

Apl watch was so hyped as next pillar and failed and was mocked , beginning of the end. No new pillar on the horizon. Expect decline. That's what happens one failure can bring a device manufacture to its knees. Its like fashion, one day in, next day out.

 

[MH01]

Safe is relative, Apl is ripe to be fully disrupted and a higher debt load than ever, their eco is forever weakened and at-risk apl users are higher than in the past decade, the industry has caught up and arguably surpassed apl. I see a company with 70+% of their eggs in a declining basket with a 10yo flagship money maker throwing darts aimlessly everywhere..I don't think Apl has ever had to really focus , they have had it relatively easy and been at the right place at the right time when industrial design in technology was limited , times started to run out as everyone does industrial design arguably better now.

Apl watch was so hyped as next pillar and failed and was mocked , beginning of the end. No new pillar on the horizon. Expect decline. That's what happens one failure can bring a device manufacture to its knees. Its like fashion, one day in, next day out.

I don't disagree. Very valid points . While financially Tim has steered while penny pinching, product vision wise , major vacuum and fat execs .

 

[amegicfox]

Steve was the smartest visionary man on the planet, no question about it.
He would not bend to anyone and to anything.

He only had 1 flaw. He always picked the wrong CEO to lead Apple.

Other then that, tragically we will probably never see someone like Steve in our lifetime.

 

[antonis]

Happy anniversary MR. I'm sure most of us here are honoring Steve more than anyone in Apple HQ does, since we chose to built in our lives his products and his ideas behind them. Moreover, that is why some of us complaining and whining for the current mac status - it's the declining from his ideas about computing, that hurts.

Him and his vision are missed greatly.

 

[DeepIn2U]

He certainly left a mark in the world, but great for Cook to provide some remembrance on this day, to the person who moved him along to be head of the largest company in the world.

Yeah looks like Jobs finally got a controllable sugar water salesman

I was 7 when the Apple II was shipped and fortunate enough for my grade school to order one and have it in the only computer lab in North York (Toronto), Ontario!

Fortunate enough to realize the fit and finish in just so many of their products (ignoring 92-99), the appreciation for Font and Typeface, to keep the small things that were amazing and push them from failed products into future products and software e.g. Newton's "puff" animation of deleted object that made it into OSX but I'm missing it in Sierra.

I wonder if Mr SugarWater 2 will Eunice the iPhone as well in the same fashion.

 

[amegicfox]

If Jobs trusted him, why shouldn't we? I'm sure Cook is well aware that Jobs was one of a kind. He does the best he can.

I am sorry buy Tim DOESN'T do the best he can. The Mac Pro was last updated 5 years ago, Mac mini updated 4 years ago etc.

 

[BoltmanLives]

Steve was the smartest visionary man on the planet, no question about it.
He would not bend to anyone and to anything.

He only had 1 flaw. He always picked the wrong CEO to lead Apple.

Other then that, tragically we will probably never see someone like Steve in our lifetime.

Tesla? I think apl people think way too much about what Steve actually did for human society positively on a grand human scale , versus the stark reality of selling a subset of them some expensive feel rich apl tech toys to feel a "bit rich" at a hefty price point to obtain that rush. Not everyone fell into the Steve apl cult, in fact most did not. Just about everyone uses electricity. Move on from this sort of ridiculous Steve idolization elevation when comparing to true visionaries that propelled humans forward, not one that simply dumbed them down with basic OS's and expensive apl toys. Steve knew how to pull on emotional strings , I'll give him that as obvious. Steve is a good story..that's about it he's gone.

 

[BPresh]

Safe is relative, Apl is ripe to be fully disrupted and a higher debt load than ever, their eco is forever weakened and at-risk apl users are higher than in the past decade, the industry has caught up and arguably surpassed apl. I see a company with 70+% of their eggs in a declining basket with a 10yo flagship money maker throwing darts aimlessly everywhere..I don't think Apl has ever had to really focus , they have had it relatively easy and been at the right place at the right time when industrial design in technology was limited , times started to run out as everyone does industrial design arguably better now.

Apl watch was so hyped as next pillar and failed and was mocked , beginning of the end. No new pillar on the horizon. Expect decline. That's what happens one failure can bring a device manufacture to its knees. Its like fashion, one day in, next day out.

While not yet a runaway success, the Apple Watch by any measure has been a success. Apple never expected the product category to enjoy iPhone-like numbers within the first couple years of release. However, the watch is far and away the most popular and successful smart watch. Further and regardless of its category, it makes a tidy sum for the company.

And if Apple never "really had to focus," then I guess almost all other tech companies have been drooling on themselves this whole time. The fact you seem to attribute most of Apple's success to "luck" is a mind-boggling mental feat to me. You're deluding yourself to reinforce the anti-Apple narrative you've created, I'm afraid.

 

[moxin]

i became a fan of Apple cause of Steve's vision, what a guy

 

[MacBH928]

The thing I admire about Steve Jobs is that he was not a bean counter, he was a technology visionary and had passion for computers to make the best. There was a story how the translucent iMacs would cost them a lot, he didn't care he made the best iMac he could.

I like how at the end they put in there a little thing for MacRumors. That being said, thanks for making a website where I can come and ask questions to solve my personal tech problems.

For the younger ones, before MacRumors there used to be a similar site that was called SpyMac. Its dead now, but not sure what caused its death.

 

[atmenterprises]

Lol. This is a discussion forum. Not a funeral. Nothing to hold my tongue about, thanks. Go play ethics police somewhere else.

Umm...aren't you playing ethics police just by making that statement, albeit lax ethics?

 

[ryanwarsaw]

You mean that same Tim Cook that was hand picked by Steve Jobs himself to become C.E.O of Apple.
[doublepost=1487942626][/doublepost]Happy 17th Birthday to Macrumours and 62nd birthday to Steve Jobs.

In addition to offering Steve a piece if his liver. The over the top Tim Cook comments are becoming tiresome. At some point I hope Macrumors would start to moderate and delete comments that are no more than personal attacks.

Happy Birthday Steve and Macrumors.

 

[thekeyring]

Apple writing a special version of iOS that would be installed to unlock a seized iPhone in the possession of law enforcement, or Apple, so that the passcode could be subsequently brute-forced and the phone's contents accessed, is not a backdoor. I'm surprised you don't know that.

No, it's a master-key. It's a different metaphor for the same thing. Don't split hairs - Tim is right.
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The over the top Tim Cook comments are becoming tiresome. At some point I hope Macrumors would start to moderate and delete comments that are no more than personal attacks.

Completely agree with this.

I really like getting into a discussion with someone who is unsatisfied with Siri, or thinks Apple should have produced an iPhone with a better screen to body ratio already. Or perhaps someone who is wonders what on Earth has gone wrong with the Mac Pro.

But these idiots who will criticise Apple like they are an incompetent underdog - they make the forum worse. In their minds Apple is doing as well in the mobile industry as Microsoft or Blackberry; doing as well in the watch industry as a failed Kickstarter campaign; and copying Google every step of the way.

It's absolutely bonkers, and several times I have reported people - no action. I have challenged people with a reply, and got banned.
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The thing I admire about Steve Jobs is that he was not a bean counter, he was a technology visionary and had passion for computers to make the best. There was a story how the translucent iMacs would cost them a lot, he didn't care he made the best iMac he could.

Sounds a lot like Tim Cook's current attitude towards building accessibility features into products, or environmental responsibility.

 

[fithian]

Steve has always been exactly 16 years younger than me.

 

[thekeyring]

Can't help thinking if he could have got with the right medical person he likely could have been cured of his cancer.

Have you read his biography? His doctors were pleading with him to have surgery long before he agreed. At first, Steve tried various diets and fasting to try and cure his cancer.

 

[Dave245]

Have you read his biography? His doctors were pleading with him to have surgery long before he agreed. At first, Steve tried various diets and fasting to try and cure his cancer.

Yea i read that, it was in the biography that was written by Walter Isaacson, along with the bit about Tim Cook offering part of his liver to Steve. They must of been great friends, and Steve hand picked Tim Cook to be the next C.E.O of Apple.

EDIT: the part about Steve Jobs being offered a part of Tim Cook's liver is NOT from the Walter Isaacson book, it's from the "Becoming Steve Jobs" book.

 

[I7guy]

Yeah looks like Jobs finally got a controllable sugar water salesman

I was 7 when the Apple II was shipped and fortunate enough for my grade school to order one and have it in the only computer lab in North York (Toronto), Ontario!

Fortunate enough to realize the fit and finish in just so many of their products (ignoring 92-99), the appreciation for Font and Typeface, to keep the small things that were amazing and push them from failed products into future products and software e.g. Newton's "puff" animation of deleted object that made it into OSX but I'm missing it in Sierra.

I wonder if Mr SugarWater 2 will Eunice the iPhone as well in the same fashion.

Doesn't seem to matter, what your opinion of him is? eh? Whatever his tenure is beyond these "endearing nicknames" that live in these forums will be what is on the history books. And apple seems to be doing fine by all standards, so don't worry about it.
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TELL TIM THAT not ME

If I were Tims dad I'd wash his lying mouth out with soap.

What hyperbolic nonsense is this comment?

 

[BoltmanLives]

While not yet a runaway success, the Apple Watch by any measure has been a success. Apple never expected the product category to enjoy iPhone-like numbers within the first couple years of release. However, the watch is far and away the most popular and successful smart watch. Further and regardless of its category, it makes a tidy sum for the company.

And if Apple never "really had to focus," then I guess almost all other tech companies have been drooling on themselves this whole time. The fact you seem to attribute most of Apple's success to "luck" is a mind-boggling mental feat to me. You're deluding yourself to reinforce the anti-Apple narrative you've created, I'm afraid.

Two products: Apl2-Mac , Ipod-Maxipad. Luck, as these are simply variants of each the ran off aff fandom, pet rock had fans too then they got smarter...its just a stupid rock.
Never underesimate fans, the rock just go more expensive (inflation)
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The thing I admire about Steve Jobs is that he was not a bean counter, he was a technology visionary and had passion for computers to make the best. There was a story how the translucent iMacs would cost them a lot, he didn't care he made the best iMac he could.

I like how at the end they put in there a little thing for MacRumors. That being said, thanks for making a website where I can come and ask questions to solve my personal tech problems.

For the younger ones, before MacRumors there used to be a similar site that was called SpyMac. Its dead now, but not sure what caused its death.

Lack of traffic?

 

[NanoTubeReturns]

Mazal Tov ya punks!

 

[EdT]

Steve Jobs was not the developer of Apple devices. In the early days that would have been Steve Wozniak, in this century those people are probably just nameless employees. What Jobs did have was a definite ideas of what direction he wanted Apple to go, and where and which products to emphasize. But he made mistakes in both product and personnel, he was not infallible.