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Steve Wozniak on Apple, Leopard and Jailbreaking the iPhone
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Sorry folks
I just get bend over all the complaining and the lack of action.
Every system, game console, computer and phone was designed with a set of principles that we may or may not agree with.
But they are what they are, and there is little we can do other than write to the company and not purchase the product in its current form.
Sooner or later they will get the message or flat out ignore us until enough of us stop buying.
ACTION is the thing to do.
I am not necessarily against some of the opinions expressed here, as a matter of fact I agree with most of you to some degree or another.
What I do not agree with is all the bellyaching about a cat not being checkered when big G did not decide to have that version of the cat. If you absolutely need to have a checkered cat, don't buy the current model and then complain it is not checkered.
If the show does not look good or provide you the right support, don't buy it.
If you do not think Apple is being run properly, don't buy their product, buy a competitor product that fits you better.
Send the message home where it counts, I do not think this forum is the right place. Try the Apple feedback site instead.
Flame away.
I just get bend over all the complaining and the lack of action.
Every system, game console, computer and phone was designed with a set of principles that we may or may not agree with.
But they are what they are, and there is little we can do other than write to the company and not purchase the product in its current form.
Sooner or later they will get the message or flat out ignore us until enough of us stop buying.
ACTION is the thing to do.
I am not necessarily against some of the opinions expressed here, as a matter of fact I agree with most of you to some degree or another.
What I do not agree with is all the bellyaching about a cat not being checkered when big G did not decide to have that version of the cat. If you absolutely need to have a checkered cat, don't buy the current model and then complain it is not checkered.
If the show does not look good or provide you the right support, don't buy it.
If you do not think Apple is being run properly, don't buy their product, buy a competitor product that fits you better.
Send the message home where it counts, I do not think this forum is the right place. Try the Apple feedback site instead.
Flame away.
Some are saying that AT&T is the reason why the iPhone is the way it is. For example, locked down, no iChat, etc. I'm not sure this is entirely true but it may have something to do with it.
That begs a question about the iPod touch. This device is handicapped by Apple so it won't cannibalize iPhone sales. And the iPhone may be hadicapped by AT&T? it is no wonder the iPod touch is so limited.
So the question is, wouldn't Apple have been better off to NEVER have released a phone? If there was no iPhone, they'd be free to remove every single artificial limitation on the iPod Touch's feature set, and develop even more new features. One micro example: The iPod touch could have iChat AV assuming they decided to include a camera. As it stands, the iPod touch may never get any iChat simply because the iPhone won't ever get iChat, presumably because AT&T doesn't want it because it will compete with SMS.
If there was no iPhone, the iPod Touch might have been one of the most killer handheld products ever created. But as it stands, the iPhone and indirectly, AT&T, are severely handicapping it.
That begs a question about the iPod touch. This device is handicapped by Apple so it won't cannibalize iPhone sales. And the iPhone may be hadicapped by AT&T? it is no wonder the iPod touch is so limited.
So the question is, wouldn't Apple have been better off to NEVER have released a phone? If there was no iPhone, they'd be free to remove every single artificial limitation on the iPod Touch's feature set, and develop even more new features. One micro example: The iPod touch could have iChat AV assuming they decided to include a camera. As it stands, the iPod touch may never get any iChat simply because the iPhone won't ever get iChat, presumably because AT&T doesn't want it because it will compete with SMS.
If there was no iPhone, the iPod Touch might have been one of the most killer handheld products ever created. But as it stands, the iPhone and indirectly, AT&T, are severely handicapping it.
frustrating article
I still am a little confused as to why I should be listening to Woz anymore. What's the last significant contribution he's made to technology since leaving Apple. Seriously, it seems like all he does is sit around and pretend to know what companies should do. What would have happened to Apple if he stayed on?
His comments about usability are ridiculous. Computers are complex because we keep heaping on expectations. Just come to this forum and listen to all the complaining about what our computers won't do. And of all the companies, Apple has made unbelievably complicated issues simple. Rendevous, spotlight, even burning a CD in iTunes, all made amazingly simple because of the innovation. Imagine how many frickin' icons you'd have to have in order to "simplify" anything, short of the Star Trek face recognition he talked about.
I just keep listening to this guy, thinking about how much he sounds like my dad ranting about politics - and not in a good way...
I still am a little confused as to why I should be listening to Woz anymore. What's the last significant contribution he's made to technology since leaving Apple. Seriously, it seems like all he does is sit around and pretend to know what companies should do. What would have happened to Apple if he stayed on?
His comments about usability are ridiculous. Computers are complex because we keep heaping on expectations. Just come to this forum and listen to all the complaining about what our computers won't do. And of all the companies, Apple has made unbelievably complicated issues simple. Rendevous, spotlight, even burning a CD in iTunes, all made amazingly simple because of the innovation. Imagine how many frickin' icons you'd have to have in order to "simplify" anything, short of the Star Trek face recognition he talked about.
I just keep listening to this guy, thinking about how much he sounds like my dad ranting about politics - and not in a good way...
Obviously, I haven't bought one - nor will I - not until Apple open it up, including the carrier. I can still comment on the iPhone. The iPhone has a great UI, but very little else, as it stands at this moment in time.
Apple manufactured the iPhone and *they* crippled BT functionality. Thats the difference. Apple are not the carrier, AT&T have not crippled the BT functionality ( and they carry phones that DO have BT enabled phones ).
Okay so think about it, would Apple sell a bunch of ringtones if they left the Bluetooth opened up? I have never bought a single ringtone on my Bluetooth Razr. Why? because I have full access to Bluetooth ringtones to my phone. I worked for Sprint for 7 years and I can tell you that cell phones are ALL sold below cost and although Apple makes the iPhone they have only sold over 1 million of them. Most likely they have not made even a fraction of their money back spent on R&D.
Companies have to cell extra web features on the phones to make any profit.
It's obvious you don't want Apple to make a profit on the iPhone, you just want them to make you happy as a customer and that's just not realistic for it to be all about the customer's happiness.
Thats your experience, but you shouldn't make yourself a benchmark for the population ( but I doubt you'd do that
). The fact is the ringtone market is huge despite people being able to upload ringtones to their ( non iPhone ) phones without restriction.
I don't care if Apple sells ring tones, but what I do object to is making people pay for ringtones twice for the tones they may already ( legally ) have.
Apple will still sell ringtones if iPhone had no restriction - the size of the ringtone market tells you that. Additionally Apple make it quite easily for the customer to choose the section of the song they want as a tone - which is great. I think your underestimating ring tones on iTunes.
From your argument, you think that Apple should force people to buy any music they put on their iPod - since the iTunes purchases music per iPod customer is low? That should crank up the ratio more ( and kill off the iPod!!!)
). The fact is the ringtone market is huge despite people being able to upload ringtones to their ( non iPhone ) phones without restriction.I don't care if Apple sells ring tones, but what I do object to is making people pay for ringtones twice for the tones they may already ( legally ) have.
Apple will still sell ringtones if iPhone had no restriction - the size of the ringtone market tells you that. Additionally Apple make it quite easily for the customer to choose the section of the song they want as a tone - which is great. I think your underestimating ring tones on iTunes.
From your argument, you think that Apple should force people to buy any music they put on their iPod - since the iTunes purchases music per iPod customer is low? That should crank up the ratio more ( and kill off the iPod!!!)
Stella, has never been on track, so no worries. He is a pot stirrer with little appreciation of the business world and like the person who said "oh please" when I mentioned freeloaders, cannot fathom out why Apple/ATT have done what they did.
I would expect no less and they could expect no more...
when will people stop the absurd comments with the Euro prices?
Apple employes in Europe are paid in Euros, not in US$ nor according to US salaries. And so is the rest of the business. Each country has its own economy and companies work/deal around it. Do you complain to a home builder who is selling houses at a higher price (same model) in San Jose California, than in springfield? No.
Apple employes in Europe are paid in Euros, not in US$ nor according to US salaries. And so is the rest of the business. Each country has its own economy and companies work/deal around it. Do you complain to a home builder who is selling houses at a higher price (same model) in San Jose California, than in springfield? No.
The day Steve Jobs steps down is the day Apple stock nose dives.
By the way, which is it; "hypercritical" or "hypocritical"?
very mature and 'grown up' comment.
On a more serious note, keep in mind that his engineer skills are not being argued, even if it was a long time ago since he did something worth it, from a pure engineering point of view. But the vision we are talking about here is not Woz. Steve Jobs was the visionary, simple as that. He used the UI from Xerox, and the engineering skills from Woz. That is how it all happened.
On a more serious note, keep in mind that his engineer skills are not being argued, even if it was a long time ago since he did something worth it, from a pure engineering point of view. But the vision we are talking about here is not Woz. Steve Jobs was the visionary, simple as that. He used the UI from Xerox, and the engineering skills from Woz. That is how it all happened.
then, buy those other phones.
Seriously, you said it: "more importantly: have capabilities far beyond what the iPhone offers". So if it is that important, it would be sort of idiotic to buy a product that does not let me do what I want and then complain about it.
Edit: Oops. Others already pointed this out. And I saw your response already.
Seriously, you said it: "more importantly: have capabilities far beyond what the iPhone offers". So if it is that important, it would be sort of idiotic to buy a product that does not let me do what I want and then complain about it.
Edit: Oops. Others already pointed this out. And I saw your response already.
Wrong. Cingular doesn't (or didn't). I was a Verizon customer for years until the crippled the bluetooth on the v710 and RAZR (they lost in California suits in 2005 regarding crippling the ObEx in the Motorola v710 in order to charge customers for their "Get it Now" ringtones and pictures file exchange service). I switched to Cingular and had two RAZR's, neither were crippled. Now that ATT acquired Cingular, I am not certain if they changed bluetooth on their phones as I have the iPhone currently, but my RAZR still have full Bluetooth capabilities with my Mac (and all I would need to do is drop in my SIM card to use it again).
I couldn't agree more. Action is the best solution in any situation; in commerce, politics, etc. Consumer dollars speak volumes, and the less people buy the more companies will listen.
You are joking-- that would be a waste of time! I do like to deal with real issues and people with the capacity to interact in an intelligent way-- so no, that would not apply to you. There is hope, as it springs eternal-- yeah, right!
I read Wozniak's autobiography and he still is with Apple but doesn't really "work". He gets paid the lowest salary an engineer makes. Without him the computer wouldn't be around so he is a great visionary, but in terms of business, he said himself in his book he never would want to be a manager type.
There are a few books that anyone who purports to know about Apple's history should read. They don't give you the simplistic and sanitized version of history that's propagated as gospel through various forums - they give you everything, dirty laundry and all. Why read it? Any real fans of Apple owe it to themselves to acquire a complete and honest picture of a company that has clearly meant a lot to them on a personal level. And, more to the subject at hand, this picture is essential to understanding Steve Wozniak and where he comes from. The books are:
West of Eden - Frank Rose
Accidental Millionaire - Lee Butcher
The Little Kingdom: The Private Story of Apple Computer - Michael Moritz
Steve Wozniak earns his right to be heard by being one of the main reasons that this forum even exists for you to post in. The reason his work with the Apple I and II receives such enduring acclaim, acclaim that can seem obnoxious to a younger generation (as evidenced by some of the posts in this thread), is that it stands in its own league as an engineering achievement. Consider the meaning of that idiom: in its own league. It's not enough to know that he "designed the innards of the Apple II," because that doesn't provide the proper context to what he did. The other two computers of the famous 1977 trio, the Commodore PET and the Radio Shack TRS-80, were designed and produced by established companies. The Apple II's motherboard, its architecture, its resident programming language, its expansion slots and amazingly efficient disk controller that, more than any other components, were responsible for the machine's (and thus Apple's) success - all of this was engineered by one man. There was absolutely no precedent in the computer industry for anything like it; old-timers and knowledgeable geeks recognize the true magnitude of Wozniak's contribution, even after younger folk and the popular media have sloughed it off and now mindlessly perpetuate a legend that they themselves do not understand. I find it hilarious that people are actually debating the appropriateness of him offering public opinions on the company - he's vetted. He's got his cred. Without the Apple II, there would have been no Mac, and that alone qualifies him to offer up his opinions at any time. What he's done since the Apple II, or whether he has an active role in Apple or even the computer industry in general, is irrelevant. It's disappointing that he hasn't continued to fully apply his engineering genius in greener pastures, but that in no way lessens his authority to speak.
West of Eden - Frank Rose
Accidental Millionaire - Lee Butcher
The Little Kingdom: The Private Story of Apple Computer - Michael Moritz
Steve Wozniak earns his right to be heard by being one of the main reasons that this forum even exists for you to post in. The reason his work with the Apple I and II receives such enduring acclaim, acclaim that can seem obnoxious to a younger generation (as evidenced by some of the posts in this thread), is that it stands in its own league as an engineering achievement. Consider the meaning of that idiom: in its own league. It's not enough to know that he "designed the innards of the Apple II," because that doesn't provide the proper context to what he did. The other two computers of the famous 1977 trio, the Commodore PET and the Radio Shack TRS-80, were designed and produced by established companies. The Apple II's motherboard, its architecture, its resident programming language, its expansion slots and amazingly efficient disk controller that, more than any other components, were responsible for the machine's (and thus Apple's) success - all of this was engineered by one man. There was absolutely no precedent in the computer industry for anything like it; old-timers and knowledgeable geeks recognize the true magnitude of Wozniak's contribution, even after younger folk and the popular media have sloughed it off and now mindlessly perpetuate a legend that they themselves do not understand. I find it hilarious that people are actually debating the appropriateness of him offering public opinions on the company - he's vetted. He's got his cred. Without the Apple II, there would have been no Mac, and that alone qualifies him to offer up his opinions at any time. What he's done since the Apple II, or whether he has an active role in Apple or even the computer industry in general, is irrelevant. It's disappointing that he hasn't continued to fully apply his engineering genius in greener pastures, but that in no way lessens his authority to speak.
I'm pretty sure that the record companies are the ones that should be blamed for the ringtones price. Reason to believe this? Not all songs can be made into ringtones.. Unlike other cell phone makes, apple has to deal with record companies because of itunes.. I bet the RIAA told them they wanted a share of the ringtones or they would pull out of itunes.. or something similar...
conservatives = creeps
Could you leave politics out of it please? No one wants to hear your conservative (i.e. ignorant, obtuse, orthodox, self-serving, zealot) bull*****
Besides, don't you have a "homosexual agenda" to be fighting?
Could you leave politics out of it please? No one wants to hear your conservative (i.e. ignorant, obtuse, orthodox, self-serving, zealot) bull*****
Besides, don't you have a "homosexual agenda" to be fighting?
Without him, the computer that he envisioned would have been credited to someone else who would come along not too long after him.
ugh
Could you leave politics out of it please? No one wants to hear your conservative (i.e. ignorant, obtuse, orthodox, self-serving) crap. Besides, don't you have a "homosexual agenda" or "war on christmas" to be fighting?
Could you leave politics out of it please? No one wants to hear your conservative (i.e. ignorant, obtuse, orthodox, self-serving) crap. Besides, don't you have a "homosexual agenda" or "war on christmas" to be fighting?
This debate was enjoyable, but then its ruined by people ( like you ) deliberately posting for flame baits and needless trolling, especially when you have nothing to add or back up your arguments ( which you have none ).