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Writing the code and user interface to move images from album to album should be pretty straightforward. The real difficulty comes when you consider syncing those changes back to a computer. At the moment the sync only goes one way, from iPhoto to your iPad. If you could make significant changes to the Photo Library on your iPad then the sync would have to become two way so that it could send those changes back to iPhoto and that makes the syncing problem much more difficult. You have to start considering all of the nasty corner-cases where the same thing is modified in different ways and what the "right" thing is do during the sync.

Note that I'm not saying that the problem is impossible or that it's something that Apple shouldn't be working on (personally I'd love an expanded Photos App), however it is definitely not a "trivial" or "easy" change to make.

Yah, you're right -- actually this was the ONLY reason I could think of, as I was trying to imagine why Apple would decline to provide this functionality -- that seems so simple & intuitive and (I daresay) Apple-esque obvious: to organize photos ON the iPad. I get it -- changing the order /organization of the images on the Pad would mess up the iPhoto sync process. But I still want to think there are ways to resolve all of this... In fact, as I think about it -- I don't really see why syncing with iPhoto actually *needs* to happen, at all. It's not like the iPad couldn't function without iPhoto; and if it DID function without iPhoto, that doesn't really threaten the iTunes ecosystem, does it?

ugh, I'm too tired to think about it more right now :eek:

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Yah, you're right -- actually this was the ONLY reason I could think of, as I was trying to imagine why Apple would decline to provide this functionality -- that seems so simple & intuitive and (I daresay) Apple-esque obvious: to organize photos ON the iPad. I get it -- changing the order /organization of the images on the Pad would mess up the iPhoto sync process. But I still want to think there are ways to resolve all of this... In fact, as I think about it -- I don't really see why syncing with iPhoto actually *needs* to happen, at all. It's not like the iPad couldn't function without iPhoto; and if it DID function without iPhoto, that doesn't really threaten the iTunes ecosystem, does it?

Well, on a PC, there's no iPhoto, it just syncs directly with the Windows file system. But the point is, it needs to sync to a computer somehow, because once you organize your photos on the iPad, most users would want that reflected on their home computer.
 
Somebody has to write code for it, that's why. Writing software isn't easy. I took a software course in high school, wrote a simple program, and proudly showed it off to my family. Instead of being amazed at what the program did do, they were all like, "But why doesn't it do X?" "You should have made it do Y!" I think if I drew a dog, they wouldn't have said, "But where's the dog house?" But for some reason, when you show software to people, they almost always start pointing out features it lacks, instead of appreciating what it does do. :rolleyes:

Give it a break. How hard would it be for Apple to give us the ability to move Office files onto the iPad. It is not that it is hard it is because they wish to keep the iPad stupid so it does not compete with it's laptops. No other reason.

Yes there are 3rd party solutions that do this is a work around way but something like this should be built into the device.:mad:

I guess I am asking for my iPad to do more that what Apple say we are allowed to do. That is why I am waiting on the Blackberry tablet to do what I need to do in the field.:eek:
 
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I love all the Apple apologists saying that they couldn't possibly understand why the OP would want these features. Asking him what exactly ge wants to download on his iPad? Really? It's none of your d@mn business. You guys make it sound like Apple aced it on their first try.
 
Or how about apple removing basic features in the video app? Chapter thumbnails are no longer generated. Unless you name your movie chapters, no way to really know what that chapter might be. Sure, Apple removed this basic functionality but why?
 
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So, I've been searching for a way to have my photos organized directly from my iPad. Although this won't work for all it most likely will for 65% of us. I really enjoy having photos on my iPad. Being able to take them every where I go to show my family and friends pics from trips, ect.

I'm a avid google user for just about everything. I love the cloud system as it allows me to have everything I need from any sort of computing device(Mac,pc,iPhone, iPad). When google came out with the recent update to mobile devices to edit google docs it was what I've been waiting for. Also, having it stored in the cloud from a company that all of us are sure is going to be around is peace of mind as far as back ups are concerned.

Say you went on a trip,are at a birthday party, whatever the situation is and took a lot of your photos on your iPhone. Then before you could get home something happened to your iPhone. Where's your photos? Gone. This had always been my fear as i have photos of family members that have pasted away and would be devastated if i lost them. After reading this thread and doing some searching I found my answer and possibly some others answer for the photo management on the iPad.

If you have a gmail account you probably know you have access to all things google. Including picasa web albums. I found a app called "Web Albums". This app, along with good reader and the google mobile app have made my iPad dang near perfect. It allows you to upload multiple photos at once(unlike drop box) and gives you a "photos" like interface on your iPad as well as iPhone. You can create photo albums right from the device, upload photos to those albums from your iPhone and continue on your way doing whatever it is you're doing with out having to be involved Inc the process for minutes, hours depending on how many you're uploading. Plus, if you upload photos from a regular camera onto your pc,Mac to picasa their right there on you iPad,iPhone after the upload with out doing anything else. On top of that, I have peace of mind that I'm not going to lose near and dear to me photos in case the unthinkable happens.

I know there will be people that,but but, you have to have Internet connection to view. Yes and no, the app allows you to cache photos or entire albums so you can view them "offline". Now it might not be perfect for everyone but it it exactly what I was looking for. One note, google places a 100mb limit on video uploads so for this I still use drop box. Hope this helps with some peoples issues that were similar to mine. Like I said, might not be what everyone is looking for but I'd thought I'd share my find.
 
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Do you guys think the iPad will ever grow into it's own device or a true net book replacement? Or do you think it's more in tune with apples business strategy to get ppl to buy as many Mac systems as possible thus it will always be codependent? I mean even the psp after a while didn't need the ps3 to connect to to download ps1 games and it had its own itunes like setup from the get go, so why cant apple make a native iTunes on the iPad without requiring syncing from a proper desktop or laptop? Also, if not a proper system maybe due to limitation in ram for os or final cut and other programs, do you think it could at least become more distinguishable from the iPhone and it's apps and more similar to say a MacBook air? I mean even the iPhone has various word processing and such apps just not by apple and the only reason it doesn't have presentation software was cause apple choose to restrict it for iPad but doesn't mean it cant handle it. I mean do you ever think well get apps that ppl won't even as, for an iphone version of or because it can't handle it in terms of hardware constraints or other constraints? Why is the freaking iphone4 mote powerful than the iPad, this bugs the heck out of me considering for most ppl the iPad is the most expensive of all the idevice gadgets since we need contracts anyway.

Basically I'm asking when will ppl stop calling the iPad a big iPod touch and when will apple give them reasons not to?
 
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Basically I'm asking when will ppl stop calling the iPad a big iPod touch and when will apple give them reasons not to?

Why do you care? I mean, nobody complains that the MacBook Air is "just a smaller, lighter MacBook Pro." That's just what it is, and nobody is annoyed by that. In the same way, the iPad is a big iPod touch. I have absolutelty no problem with that.
 
Because it has potential and has been marketed as a tablet not a larger iPod. If its a tablet shouldn't it be competing with windows or other tablets like slate that don't need other co putters to connect to or be stuck at iTunes?

Do ppl call the slate s big cell phone or a big blackberry or a big PDA? A company should distinguish their products. This is why windows tablets like slate will eventually overtake the ipad IMO. They aren't locked to or dependent on Other Mac products.
 
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Because it has potential and has been marketed as a tablet not a larger iPod. If its a tablet shouldn't it be competing with windows or other tablets like slate that don't need other co putters to connect to or be stuck at iTunes?

Do ppl call the slate s big cell phone or a big blackberry or a big PDA? A company should distinguish their products. This is why windows tablets like slate will eventually overtake the ipad IMO. They aren't locked to or dependent on Other Mac products.

I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous. Windows tablets have been around for a decade and were pushed hard on more than one occasion and have flopped every single time. The simple fact is they're a terrible compromise for most people because, to keep a long story short, Windows isn't built around the concept of a finger-based interface. It, and almost all the applications available for it, are based on mouse / keyboard input and a tablet interface is really only useful in certain vertical markets. For everyone else you end up with hardware that's more expensive than a normal laptop that gives you nothing but a gimmick.

Now, as for iPad beind a standalone device... at the moment it's entirely capable of being just that for most people. Yes, there are certain functions that it doesn't currently have that have been discussed at length here and elsewhere but for most users you only really need to connect to a) backup or b) if you want to transfer photos, video or music to the device. The fact it uses iTunes to transfer data does NOT mean it doesn't compete with more traditional tablets, hell it's currently destroying them in terms of sales and will soon be joined by a wave of Android tablets.

The future is being highlighted very clearly here and geeks need to start realising that the general public neither need nor want multi-gigahertz monsters with business-orientated OS's. Computing devices like the iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch (using those as a shorthand, OS and manufacturer is irrelevant) are the way that market will go. If that isn't what you want then don't worry, OS X, Windows and the like aren't going anywhere but you're going to see that consumer market become more and more popular as time goes by. Also note that form factor has nothing to do with it either, tablet or laptop or smartphone is irrelevant, it's the principles behind the software that'll be important.
 
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My view is that Apple is not marketing the iPad to the type of people who frequent MacRumors Forums, so it is to be expected that some of us are disappointed by its limitations in functionality.

I believe the main target market for the iPad is that friend or family member you know who still doesn't really understand files and folders on their PC despite using a computer daily for 15 years. You know, the person who comes to you saying "I downloaded that file but now I can't find it, where did it go?" This is a massive market (easily 10 to 20 times larger than the technically sophisticated market). I don't think we will ever see Apple adding core features to the iPad that could result in your grandmother coming to you asking for help.

I think for MacRumors Forum participants the iPad will always be an ancillary device to our real computer. Apple doesn't want the iPad to be able to replace a real computer because then its target market would, once again, be struggling and frustrated with a device that takes relatively advanced skills to operate properly.
 
But I still think it should offer more programs and functions than the iPod, and be more than just a large iPod plus. It should really be somewhere in between a laptop or MacBook and the iPod not just a big iPod touch where all it's apps can be just down converts. Technically because of the price and size it should be way ahead hardware wise of all three it ouches but apple decided to be boneheads and put a superior processor in a tiny iPhone 4 and similar ram if not more as well I believe.
 
But I still think it should offer more programs and functions than the iPod, and be more than just a large iPod plus. It should really be somewhere in between a laptop or MacBook and the iPod not just a big iPod touch where all it's apps can be just down converts. Technically because of the price and size it should be way ahead hardware wise of all three it ouches but apple decided to be boneheads and put a superior processor in a tiny iPhone 4 and similar ram if not more as well I believe.

First, Apple did not put a superior processor in the iPhone. What you must also keep in mind is that Apple intentionally does not release the specs of their iDevices to the public. Some may argue that the iPad needs more RAM, which will probably happen in the next rev, but I honestly can't tell the difference in speed between an iPad and an iPhone 4 and I use the iPad pretty vigorously.

Second, if you look at a lot of the really ambitious software for the iPad it should be clear that it is leaps and bounds above where iPhone software is at the moment. Look at the iWork suite, look at what the Omnigroup has done.

Third, the price of the iPad is right where it should be in relation to the iPod, given the hardware of each.
 
But I still think it should offer more programs and functions than the iPod, and be more than just a large iPod plus. It should really be somewhere in between a laptop or MacBook and the iPod not just a big iPod touch where all it's apps can be just down converts. Technically because of the price and size it should be way ahead hardware wise of all three it ouches but apple decided to be boneheads and put a superior processor in a tiny iPhone 4 and similar ram if not more as well I believe.

Umm, if you're going to comment on hardware and costs then at least get it right.

The iPad got the A4 processor from launch and, while Apple don't advertise clock speed, all the testing I've seen says the iPad probably runs a wee bit quicker than the iPhone 4. There's also the small matter of the screen which isn't exactly a cheap bit of kit. Yes, the iPhone has more memory but a) it needs it as it's running more background processes than the iPad and b) it also costs more than the iPad (always amazing how many people forget that one, the iPad is £70 less than the iPhone for the 16Gb model, albeit the wi-fi only model but as the only thing it doesn't have is the 3G/GPS module and that don't cost much at all then in terms of component cost its fair to use the base models for comparison purposes).

On the software side there's a LOT of productivity software out there for the iPad that either a) doesn't exist for the smaller iDevices or b) doesn't work anything like as well. Again, do your research on this one, there's not a vast amount you can't do on an iPad if you look carefully. Remote access to databases, document creation and editing, project management, time management, photo manipulation it's all there. Whether or not a tablet is the better solution is another question altogether but the software is starting to appear in a very small timeframe all things considered and is only going to get better.

Sorry if this comes off harsh but, really, if you're going to criticise then at least do your research properly.
 
To be honest, I think the new update was an improvement over what the last one was. I have only used my daughters here and there but its not near as smooth as the iphone yet. Its still an improvement and I think it will continue to improve but I agree, not quite there yet. But like they say, Rome wasn't built in a day. Give them some time and I am sure they will get it.
 
Yea I agree with a lot of ur points. But what I was getting at is the reason apple releases such programs or they exist like iWork is because they want to distinguish the iPad away from the other I products not becuse the ipod or iphone from a technical sense couldn't handle them. In fact I heard the iPod and iphone do have their own word processing and other apps just not by apple(not sure about a keynote like app). On the other hand despite a similar price (to the ipads with descent anoint of flash memory) MacBook air has programs the iPad cant handle from a technical point of view like a full os. Not sure if the iPad could handle a full final cut express but even if not i don't see why apple cant make w light version for it. They even added the same iMovie or editing program for both that's how indistinguishable they really are.
 
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