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Stolen MacBook Pro Schematics Confirm Apple's Plans to Add More Ports and Remove Touch Bar
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Oh cry me a river, dude. Going from 4 USB-C to 3 so that other common ports can be included in the device is not some abhorrent loss of features for you. You still have 3 ports to plug in all your stuff. If you really need 4, then buy a damn hub that splits it out since you don't seem to mind the need to buy adapters for everything. Or maybe you will find that some of the things you needed that 4th port for are now just on the side of the machine by default.
Dude, if you think HDMI is anywhere near going away you are deluding yourself. It's a very current and very common connector/interface that is still actively being developed. It's not going anywhere anytime soon regardless of whether the macbook pro's have HDMI on it or not. That's the fact of it, so maybe come live in the real world a bit, huh.
This is exactly what the comment was pointing out. Just because YOU don't use it, doesn't mean there aren't many others who would and would benefit from the port just being there without the need to have anything separate. If YOU don't need to plug anything into it, then fine... DON'T. YOU will still have 3 USB-C ports to use to live in your future world if that's what you want. Nothing about this design harbor's your ability to use the 3 other USB-C ports to do what you want. So why the issue with a couple ports simply existing that YOU don't use?!? Sounds pretty damn selfish to me. Maybe get a grip on reality and the fact that other people might use the machine differently than YOU do.
It literally is a loss of features, that I use, every day.
So it's not just the first post you didn't read. Good job.
No. I have zero use for HDMI or an SD slot.
Because those four ports can provide the functionality you want, with a cheap, ubiquitous adapter or cable. It may be very slightly less convenient for you, depending on what adapter you choose to use.
Those same four ports can provide very different functionality that I use, daily. None of which is HDMI, or an SD card reader.
Those same four ports can provide very different functionality again, that neither you nor I use.
I literally am doing that. Maybe try it yourself.
You really need to get a grip with the fact that not everyone wants what you want. You don't even see the irony in bitching about the loss of ONE of 3 of the same port. The problem is the need for a adapter is unnecessary if you have the port on the machine. A fact you can't seem to wrap your head around. The USB-C port DOES NOT PROVIDE HDMI WITHOUT AN ADAPTER... That's what's being lost. Adapters SUCK. I don't want to have to buy a damn adapter for a very common cable and keep track of it. Just because YOU don't use it doesn't mean others won't benefit. So no, You are the one who needs a damn reality check. Jesus... So again, Cry me a river about going from 4 USB-C to 3. Life must be so hard for you with only 3 of those ports to choose from. Get a grip...
I mean the power usage won't be more than the power delivery, so it'll still charge at a lower wattage power supply.
Reading this kind of posts so far into the discussion shows me that you (and everyone else who argues the same way) has absolutely no idea what the difference between USB-C (physical shape of port/connector) and Thunderbolt (principle, functionality; standard that happens to use the USB-C connector) is. And obviously didn't read or, even worse, didn't understand the plethora of posts that tried to explain that difference and it's importance.
It's you that needs to get a grip on reality.
You really need to read some more of the posts, because I've clearly explained multiple times.
I am well aware that not everyone wants what I want, or what you want. That's literally the benefit of a flexible port. It can do what I want, or what you want or what someone else wants.
You want to use HDMI. I want to use DisplayPort. Jimmy wants to use 10G ethernet. With TB3 we can all do that.
If the port is HDMI, you win. I lose. Jimmy loses. Not lose, in the sense that we need an adapter (which we already need to use now, with tb3 ports). Lose in the sense that we just can't use it, at all.
You want irony? Try a bunch of people who demand the one, single-purpose port they each specifically want, calling those who want to retain the existing, multi-protocol flexible port, "selfish".
"I want Z ports that do anything. I will use an adapter to make them work for X, you can use an adapter and make them work for Y"
"Nope, I want Y built in. You're being selfish".
Life isn't hard because I already have a computer with four such ports that I use, some even with <gasp> adapters, to connect to the peripherals I use.
I await the next instalment of missing the point and meta-level irony with bated breath.
I'm an engineer...I understand far more than you probably do in how it works under the hood... The whole point of the argument is on convenience for DIFFERENT users with DIFFERENT needs. Losing one USB-C port to some other ports is like having a built in Dock. It doesn't limit You or anyone else who wants USB-C/Thunderbolt/ whatever from using the other 3 ports the way you want. What they've done is removed the need for a dock or adapter in some other use cases. Why people have such a huge problem with a couple ports being present that they don't use is a huge sign of being selfish. You all seem to have a huge problem with losing ONE of four identical ports but can't understand why people who don't have ANY of the ports they use on a machine is ***** insane and pretty ironic. The USB vs thunderbolt difference in the ports themselves is completely irrelevant to this discussion. This whole discussion is ABOUT the physical connector only. I don't care if I can ADAPT to HDMI with the USB-C port, I know that I can. The point is I don't want a damn adapter in the first place for a connector that is all over the ***** place in the real world. Why is that so hard for you all to understand?!?
Yes, and there are still THREE OTHER PORTS you can still do that with on the new machine.... That's the ***** point... YOU don't lose anything but one of 4, but HDMI is more commonly used than any of those other options you mentioned. It makes sense to build that port in. You can adapt to the other less common use cases just the same. That's my point. I'm not expecting them to include every port for everything that existed, but hit the most common use cases, of which HDMI is one.
I'm tempted to save all those posts from the HDMI and USB-A guys, just to have them on hand in about two years when their authors complain about Apple daring to only put 2 Thunderbolt ports on a 2021 computer, along with some useless outdated crap ports nobody ever uses - which most certainly will be the case.
HDMI isn't going anywhere... It's still an actively being developed interface. There are also many new devices being sold that still use USB-A too. That's not going to change that drastically in the next two years. Feel free to remember that too so I can tell you I told you so 2 years from now.
You can't claim to be an engineer and understand how it works and then post this. Convenience is when everybody can use every accessory he wants to, at any given moment. That's only possible with a port that does it all (read, Thunderbolt).
You don't need an adapter to connect an HDMI display or projector to a Thunderbolt port. You need a cable. Whether that cable has HDMI plugs on both ends, or HDMI on one and USB-C on the other end doesn't matter. It's still a cable, not an adapter.
So you’re at least acknowledging that something is lost, finally.
What a hand waving unqualified claim to make.
Sure I can. Convenience is also not needing a damn adaptor for a few more common ports. My job is actually to determine **** like this for products based on liklihood of use. I keep getting promoted because I do a good job at it. If we removed USB-C/Thunderbolt completely, then maybe you'd have an argument, But they aren't removing that ability at all. Just adding a few more commonly used ports. I don't have any cables that are USB-C to HDMI. I don't want to have to buy a bunch to work with just one device. Most meeting rooms don't have one either so you are back at square one. Convenience is not having to think about bringing an adapter or a cable for a common use case. If I walk into a meeting room and there is a projector sitting there, it's most likely going to have an HDMI cable with the normal HDMI plug on it. What's more convenient in this case? Just being able to plug it in. Or needing an adapter to plug it in? Think for 2 seconds and you might understand it.
Jesus dude. Like I said, back to the whole Cry me a river over losing ONE port that you have THREE other identical ports on the same machine. Grow the F up already. My statement is not hand wavy. Walk into a ***** meeting room and tell me what plug is just sitting there to plug your laptop into to project? It's not ****ing display port is it. It's going to be a damn HDMI most likely. I'm done arguing with your stupidity.
You acknowledged the schematic shows at least one removed (and there’s no guarantee the three USB-c ports remaining are tb3/usb4) about two posts ago, and now you’re saying they “aren’t removing it at all, just adding”.
If you’re getting a pizza and they ask if you want to add garlic bread to the order, do you also expect them to take out 1/4 of the pizza? Is that “just adding”?
Ok so one meeting room. Check
how many computer displays are in all the offices outside that meeting room? I’m guessing more than one.
But apparently I’m the one who’a angry?
nice touch. Why bother trying to understand the other side when you can just insult them instead.
nice touch. Why bother trying to understand the other side when you can just insult them instead.
Read more carefully... They aren't removing the ABILITY to adapt the USB-C ports to any of the other devices you can do today. They are removing ONE of FOUR ports. Different context, pay attention to what I am saying and the context. It's important. Yes, the schematics don't say anything about the tb3/usb4, but I'd honestly be surprised if this addition of ports had anything to do with the capability of the other 3 at all. That's a huge assumption you are making. If is going to be an issue on this MacBook pro, it would have been an issue if they stuck with the 4 USB-C ports too. So that's completely irrelevant here again. This is a case where they are basically building in a dock with some common used ports. I'd like some HDMI, SD Card Slot and a single USB-A with my Pizza/usb-C thanks. Best of BOTH worlds. That's all I'm advocating for here.
You don't seem to care to understand the other side either dude. You don't have much of a side either considering that you can still live in the same world you have been with this new machine since it will still have USB-C ports.
Most monitors that ship with a cable will ship with an HDMI cable. Do you want to buy another cable just to have the slightly smaller port on your computer, or just use the one that came with the monitor? Or how about an office that just has a bunch of HDMI cables laying around. HDMI is everywhere. Yeah, you could buy another cable, buy why make that a necessity? Also, even if some displays start having USB-C, then fine. Guess what. This computer can be brought in the room without any adapters and work in both cases. Now that's convenience.