I do understand.
You want it to be more convenient for you to use. Right?
You can use the ports on a current model, but it’s not convenient because it needs an adapter or a different cable? Right?
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You want it to be more convenient for you to use. Right?
You can use the ports on a current model, but it’s not convenient because it needs an adapter or a different cable? Right?
Of the 14 displays at my workplace, none are using HDMI, 10 use DisplayPort and 4 older ones use DVI.
And we're talking Windows boxes here. Not Macs.
ok, but why are you so against that idea? I don't get it. What convenience are you really losing when you still have 3 other ports that fit what you want still available to you?
We lose one Do-it-all-port. We lose much more convenience than you gain.
My office has some older DVI monitors, but the vast majority are HDMI. Every meeting room has an HDMI cable end for use. They don't use Mac's either. I do on my desk have a USB-C dock that connects all the displays and power. I'm not say that USB-C is pointless or dumb. It is very convenient in that way. But My work laptop has a USB-C port that can charge and handle all that data to a dock, it also has a barrel jack for charging directly, and it also has USB-A ports that get used from time to time. It even has an HDMI port directly on it too. In my work environment there is a use case for every one of these cases. The only adapter I have is for USB-C to Ethernet, but the dock has that as well so I rarely need it when I'm away from my desk. Adapters are nice for fringe cases, or use cases that don't occur often. But they are a pain in the ass for day to day use. That's why I really dislike the idea of USB-C everything until the industry really catches up to that.
Do you really need 4 of them? Seriously. Why aren't you complaining that the 13 inch only has 2 then? Seems a silly thing to base your entire argument on.
Read this carefully.
I already use four tb3 ports. Right now. If I want to add another tb3 device right now I’m already in a **** situation.
and you’re telling me it’s not a problem to remove one of the four I already use, and add in two ports that I have literally no use for - hdmi and sd card; and that’s best case scenario based on the schematics shown.
given how the existing m1 Macs have all been gimped on I/O I will not be surprised at all if that third port is USB3.x type c and not tb3/usb4.
Look, you might want to change one of the 4 wheels on your car to a cuboid, because for a parked car that works well and in addition spares you the hassle of using an adapter (brake) to stop it from rolling. And hey, you've still got three wheels left, so what?
I vastly prefer to have 4 wheels, using an adapter (again, brake) to stop my car from rolling. Because, you know, I might actually want to drive somewhere. And in that case a cuboid would not work at all, and no adapter in the world could make it work.
Yes I already use four. I’d be complaining if they just released it with four still. It’s time we had 6 at least.
if two on the 13” isn’t enough you can choose to buy the 4 port 13”. Well you could with the intel models.
If there’s an option to buy a different model with all tb3 ports great I don’t care if the lower spec has hdmi and less tb3. But that’s unlikely IMO
Fair enough then, but I'd argue then that you are an outlier on actually needing all 4 of them at full bandwidth. Just like the person needing an Ethernet adapter today. But for the majority of people 3 USB-C ports and some other common ports is going to be a better all around solution.
Oh, and yes, I do need 4 of them. They're all in use right now, and none of the devices plugged in would work with a HDMI port, an USB-A port or a SD-Card slot.
Even in this thread, discussing just three types of port, there is no consensus among those who want a single-use port back.
Since you lot keep ignoring or not getting the good ones by @Stephen.R , I thought I'd try a simple one. Maybe that'll help …
Thank you for actually acknowledging and understanding the point we’re trying to make. I don’t recall many others who will stop and think and listen to the other side for a moment and actually understand the point being made.
Most people here probably don’t need the full bandwidth, no.
Id suggest that a decent number of high end users do make use of all four ports though - in varied enough ways that you can’t possibly expect to provide built in ports or even different models with different ports to satisfy those needs
tb3 solves that problem, and the ubiquity of USB-c means you’re not limited to really expensive “pro level” options as was the case with tb1&2 (eg my dual dp adapter was around $100 because it’s tb3, a USB-c/dp alt mode cable is $14)
I don't believe anyone has disputed that. We are specifically talking about Mac laptops. Laptops are used with HDMI in a few very specific scenarios where it is annoying or not practical to just buy and use the $6 cable you need. (I mean, if you buy a new monitor that is HDMI-only, or frequently connect your computer to your own TV, connecting a USB-C to HDMI cable is no more annoying than connecting an HDMI to HDMI cable, is it?)
Oh, hey mister engineer, you mean like a flexible port that can do different things for different users with different needs? What a nifty idea!
I'm probably bowing out of this (getting to be near useless) discussion by saying I sincerely hope the next MacBook has eight USB-C/TB4 ports for the influencers, one itty bitty little ole' USB-A port for me and only me, and one itty bitty little ole' HDMI port for the other one and only user here interested in an HDMI port. Although don't hold it against me if I use both the HDMI and USB-C ports at different times depending upon the monitor I come across wherever.
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Attack me all you want but I only said anything to stand up for the poster theluggage was demeaning in the first place for no reason at all. Keep being a bully enabler if you want to or go sarcastically attack the person who you should of in the first place. I have no problem digging myself in a whole for the right reasons.
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If you read the previous posts by the person I was replying to you’ll see that they are quite capable of defending themselves and have already made plenty of ”demeaning” comments about myself and many others - and our mutual snarking was related to the issue at hand - not Ad. Homs. about our use of English. If you dive in on one side and start attacking me for my English then please don’t have the brass neck to talk about “bully enabling”... Also, if you want to habitually post in grammar-free TXTspeak that’s fine by me, but if you use that style to criticise some else’s use of English - while bragging about being an English major — without seeing the irony then expect to be called out.
Oh, by the way, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence - it is an applicable term for the logical fallacy of comparing a HDMI/USBA3 port to an Ethernet connector that fell out of use about 25 years ago.
You could have saved yourself the trouble by looking up sarcasm.
...as opposed to the “few very specific scenarios“ where you turn up at a meeting carrying two 5k displays, a rack mount pro audio interface and a RAID enclosure, and can’t plug in your powered Thunderbolt 4 hub into AC because the roadie only packed a 4-way power strip instead of 6-way in the giant flight case that you already need...
Nobody is asking for Thunderbolt to be removed completely (although I’d personally dance on the grave of USB-C, if only TB wasn’t the only game in town for external PCIe) - just for a couple of USBA and/or HDMI ports as well, primarily for convenience ”on the road“, for data projectors, USB sticks etc. Even if that means losing 1/2 out of TB ports (and only Apple knows if/why that that may be necessary) I’ve yet to see any explanation of what practical facility people think they are going to lose.
Do you really need more than 2 TB3 ports in a meeting (esp. when you’ve got alternatives for power, display and plain old USB)? And, on the desktop, even if your devices don’t have daisy chain ports you can now have hubs that can turn those two ports into 4-6 (with at least the same total bandwidth as the old 4-port, 2 controller MBP). One of the big advantages of the One True Port was you could have single cable docking (which has been improved by the move to one-controller-per-port and the ability for peripherals to use both DO streams) - for which you only need one port.
Seriously - people here gone blue in the face describing the scenarios where HDMI, USB-A, SD, MagSafe would be useful. What are the uses of having 80Gbps of i/o bandwidth and support for 4 external displays on the train - given that nobody is denying you that capability - if not more - on your desk?
As I have repeatedly stated, this situation would no longer arise if all new laptops used USB-C exclusively for display output.
Remember 2010, when every single conference room had an HDMI adapter or cable permanently connected to the projector, regardless if the input was VGA, DVI or something else? That would happen again.
Exactly. There's so clearly a simple, practical, pragmatic middle ground here, and it's the one Apple is apparently taking: people buy computers now and want the ports they're using now, so mix it up, do some of these and some of those.
Apple overcorrected in the direction of USB-C in 2016, and -- given the lead time in developing hardware now appearing -- its safe to assume that they decided to change course soon after.
But they don’t, especially people’s 5-10 year-old PC laptops that are still perfectly serviceable. Possibly because (unlike previous advances) USB-C “alt mode” offers no performance advantages over HDMI, and TB3‘s only real advantage comes if you’re using a 5k screen that needs MST - and, last I looked, you could count those displays on the fingers of one finger...
Deal with it. And remember that you’ll still have a choice of two ports that can run a 6k XDR...