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Or maybe they plan to sell the macbook charger separately, too?
That would be great. I have more chargers than I know what to do with, and I prefer non-Apple chargers anyhow.

What if Apple did an iMac, and provided the option of a charger that was not only an Ethernet port but also a decent Thunderbolt hub?
 
There's no "of course" there.

These are the same people who argued "of course adding HDMI won't mean the removal of any TB3 ports" until they were blue in the face, just a couple of months ago.


It's not about making a realistic, rational argument that acknowledges the potential trade-offs involved with any change.
It's about whining like a little kid because they want something - that's very possible already, albeit with slight inconvenience - and saying basically anything to throw back at people who dare to question their demands.
 
That would be great. I have more chargers than I know what to do with, and I prefer non-Apple chargers anyhow.
That's a good example of something where there's a lot of positives in favour of that argument, but you can imagine the UTTER RAGE that would consume the internet if Apple even suggested it.
 
THIS. If magsafe is the only charging option, I won't buy the computer.

Kind of funny they remove chargers from iPhones to protect the nature and then try to push this garbage. Or maybe they plan to sell the macbook charger separately, too? Sorry nature, can't stop the money coming in!

This is a curious response. Magsafe provides a known functional benefit of "quick/instant" connection and safety against pulling a macsafe off the desk inadvertently, and it would provide the function of leaving access to the usb-c ports for other data/connection uses. It *may* even provide the alternative for alternate charging via usb-c ports -- could a computer engineer or anyone knowledgable confirm if offering dual charge input ports like that could even be an option?

If Apple were to provide a magsafe-like adapter for USB-C that would permit the magnetic insta-connect and breakaway protection, that would be the best of both worlds I suppose. Every USB-C MagSafe 3rd-party adapter I've seen has had questionable reliability. For anyone who calls that a dumb option, Apple has already provided "dumb" options such as the extra cap/adapter needed for the Apple Pencil and the underside-of-the-mouse lightning port. I've spoken often here about not wanting to carry around ports/adapters but if I were to dedicate one USB-C cable to having the MagSafe-like adapter, that'd be no different than managing a dedicated MagSafe cable...
 
It's not about making a realistic, rational argument that acknowledges the potential trade-offs involved with any change.
It's about whining like a little kid because they want something - that's very possible already, albeit with slight inconvenience - and saying basically anything to throw back at people who dare to question their demands.

Funny, one man's rational argument acknowledging potential trade-offs is another man's selfish whiny kid ranting. There's no you trying to see anyone else's side but yours, is there? :)
 
One of the things I love about my MBPro is that I have ports on both sides and I can use whichever one of them I want at a given time to charge my computer. It doesn't matter if the closest power socket is on my right or left side, I can always pick the most convenient option.

What's interesting here is, why is your definition of convenience more important than others' definitions. who "wins" the definition of "convenient?" Answer: nobody.

Your convenience of being able to connect on either side counters the convenience of many others who agree with my definition of not having to worry about safely securing the position of my MacBook on the desk since MagSafe provides a hugely beneficial function of protecting against accidental pulling from the desk to the floor *as well as* the ability to connect automatically with one finger holding the cable and not have to use the other hand to steady/hold/reach the MacBook to plug in the USB-C cable.

Further, my definition of convenience is having a pro device with more than 1 type of port, enabling freedom to carry around my charged device without adapters/ports such as required by a USB-C port-only device. One would think my favoring MagSafe counters that view, but hey, it goes to show you that nobody fully "wins" the definition of convenience contest. The unique functional benefits a MagSafe port/cable provides far outweighs having a unique cable/charger that I leave at home 99% of the time, so I don't have to carry it around, harkening back to my preferring a MacBook that's as all-in-one as possible so I can walk up to most different/varying hardware in my home and various other locations in life where the cable already exists, waiting to be plugged in instantly without having to scramble for an adapter/dongle.

Everyone has different definitions of convenience and preferred function.
 
The idea that MacRumors should pretend like this information is not available is absurd.

What do people propose? How can MR simultaneously report on other leaks and rumours about these machines while pretending this significant leak isn't out there? They haven't republished the leaked materials, they are simply reporting information that is now widely available.

The people who stole these documents don't need any extra motivation. Ignoring them won't make them go away. It's done. They're going to publish everything they have.
youre right. if someone was humiliated online, then following your advice we should just keep posting it. ”its already out there”. thats not an excuse. Getting source from a leaker and extorting are two entirely different things. one serves as info for users, the other for money. Helping them gain traction is stupid.
 
Dang people. Not like MR stole the information themselves. I fully expect them to report this information if they have obtained it. This is journalism. Has anyone heard about the Pentagon Papers?

Plus is just a friggin up coming MacBook Pro schematic! Not like they are reporting out secret government nuclear sites that enemies can attack or something! Lighten up folks!
journalism also invovles knowing when something is crossing the line. Journalism is knowing what to be an echochamber for.
Helping the hackers is being part of the problem.
 
The hypocrisy from some forum members boggles the mind. You read and joined MR that reports on unreleased information relating to Apple’s ecosystem yet have a problem with hacked documents for an upcoming device that has already been rumoured about.

Acting like MR conducted the hack and asking Apple for a ransom, get a life MR is reporting on information already public and did not post any sensitive information. If you don’t like it ignore the article or leave MR altogether because clearly you are confused.

Where do you believe these leakers and analysts get information from a crystal ball or speaking to insiders.
no. leakers ARE the people who work with said information they leak. MR reports on LEAKS and RUMORS not STOLEN documents. reporting on something that is already public, so that makes it okay? thats how you make a situation worse. I would recommend leaving MR right back to you. its not ethical.
 
LOL, how is this any different than all of the other information you read here on a daily basis? Because you know the method of theft?

Do you think the rest of the daily deluge of rumors and leaks comes from Apple volunteering that information?
because one does not involve forcing or extortion.

you seem as if you wouldnt understand the difference between rumors and forcing info out. The method does matter.
Let me guess, you wouldnt see the difference between daylight robbery with guns and a theft while you were away from home?

look, its macRUMORS. not macSTOLENINFO
 
Funny, one man's rational argument acknowledging potential trade-offs is another man's selfish whiny kid ranting. There's no you trying to see anyone else's side but yours, is there?
I see your side. You want convenience. You've made that ABUNDANTLY ****ing clear.

Some us already use functionality that your convenience is going to remove, if the original post of this thread is accurate and represents the next MBP to be released. Your fetishised HDMI port can't do anything but provide HDMI, so your convenience is just a net loss of functionality for anyone who doesn't use HDMI, and it's even a loss of functionality for someone who uses different displays at different times/locations.



You keep saying I dont see your side. It's impossible not to see your side. "I want my personal use-case to be more convenient" is what you've all been saying for ****ing years.


You keep calling me "selfish". Selfish would be me saying "**** you, no HDMI, we need to have DisplayPort because that's what I use.". You know how my displays connect to a MBP? THROUGH A ****ING ADAPTER JUST LIKE YOUR GOD DAMNED HDMI ********.


You want your own little personal use-case satisfied, you don't much care how that change affects others, and you top of it with ironic hypocrisy. Or are you going to debate what the definition of "selfish" means now, because you apparently don't understand what that word means either.
 
You want your own little personal use-case satisfied, you don't much care how that change affects others, and you top of it with ironic hypocrisy. Or are you going to debate what the definition of "selfish" means now, because you apparently don't understand what that word means either.

You want your own little personal use-case satisfied, you don't much care how that change affects others, and you top of it with ironic hypocrisy. Or are you going to debate what the definition of "selfish" means now, because you apparently don't understand what that word means either.

:)
 
Your convenience of being able to connect on either side counters the convenience of many others who agree with my definition of not having to worry about safely securing the position of my MacBook on the desk since MagSafe provides a hugely beneficial function of protecting against accidental pulling from the desk to the floor *as well as* the ability to connect automatically with one finger holding the cable and not have to use the other hand to steady/hold/reach the MacBook to plug in the USB-C cable.
Your definition of convenience can be achieved right now with a magnetic charge cable from Amazon.


If Apple remove TB3 charging capability (or if say, the USB-C port on one side is only USB-C, and thus can't connect to a TB3 docking station from either side), no amount of gadgets on amazon can add that functionality back.


But sure. "It's the same".
 
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journalism also invovles knowing when something is crossing the line. Journalism is knowing what to be an echochamber for.
Helping the hackers is being part of the problem.
So let's say someone hacks into NY Time Square and publishes stolen information on all the screens and all the people in time square saw it and posted tweets and instagrams showing it that just no one should talk about it? New York Times shouldn't report about it?
 
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My concern is that when we help reward ransomware (by enabling it with publication), it makes ransomware profitable, and therefore more rampant. That's different than other leaks, where typically there exists risk (to the leaker) and not financial reward.
Well that's just incorrect. We are not rewarding ransomware by reporting. The only way you can reward it is by paying the ransom. If that happens they get rewarded regardless if it was ever publicized. Publication of ransomware can actually deter those responsible if its reported that the target didnt pay because more people will see that and not pay next time. These guys are out for money not fame, they will do what they do whether publicized or not as long they get their money. You think Somalian Pirates capturing ships and ransoming crew and boat for money care if they are in the news?
 
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Well that's just incorrect. We are not rewarding ransomware by reporting. The only way you can reward it is by paying the ransom. If that happens they get rewarded regardless if it was ever publicized. Publication of ransomware can actually deter those responsible if its reported that the target didnt pay because more people will see that and not pay next time. These guys are out for money not fame, they will do what they do whether publicized or not as long they get their money. You think Somalian Pirates capturing ships and ransoming crew and boat for money care if they are in the news?

It’s a little different here. The threat to the victim, in this case, is the public disclosure. That’s the harm. If nobody reported what was leaked or where to find the leaked info, then the people threatening disclosure would not have any leverage.
 
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It’s a little different here. The threat to the victim, in this case, is the public disclosure. That’s the harm. If nobody reported what was leaked or where to find the leaked info, then the people threatening disclosure would not have any leverage.
But it was already leaked before any news reported on it. They didnt wait for the news to say oh this ransomware group is doing this. The information was already dispersed to the general public.

I would agree with you if Macrumors was the one to first report and disseminate documents and news, but they werent. I don't condone publishing stolen secrets info etc. and i full on say it's wrong. What I do not and will not ever have a problem with is news doing their job and reporting that said info was leaked. Now lets say the leaked info was name and address and social security numbers to high valued individuals if Macrumors reported and actually showed that info or how to obtain it, then yeah I would be upset but not them reporting that a list of names addresses and socials had been leaked online.
 
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But it was already leaked before any news reported on it. They didnt wait for the news to say oh this ransomware group is doing this. The information was already dispersed to the general public.
the question is whether following troop to it was correct. You say general public, but besides this website, ive barely seen any major newspaper make a news out of it. Even if that was the case, Macrumors having a pretty large base of appleusers isnt helping.


doing something because everyone has already done it, doesnt make it less wrong.

its like kicking a corpse after everyone has already kicked it. Repeating the act doesnt really make it better.
 
the question is whether following troop to it was correct. You say general public, but besides this website, ive barely seen any major newspaper make a news out of it. Even if that was the case, Macrumors having a pretty large base of appleusers isnt helping.


doing something because everyone has already done it, doesnt make it less wrong.

its like kicking a corpse after everyone has already kicked it. Repeating the act doesnt really make it better.
Of course I wouldnt kick a corpse after everyone already has but if I had a website that was about specifically about things related to corpse kicking I sure would write up a post about how I saw people kicking corpses...
 
What's interesting here is, why is your definition of convenience more important than others' definitions. who "wins" the definition of "convenient?" Answer: nobody.

Your convenience of being able to connect on either side counters the convenience of many others who agree with my definition of not having to worry about safely securing the position of my MacBook on the desk since MagSafe provides a hugely beneficial function of protecting against accidental pulling from the desk to the floor *as well as* the ability to connect automatically with one finger holding the cable and not have to use the other hand to steady/hold/reach the MacBook to plug in the USB-C cable.

Further, my definition of convenience is having a pro device with more than 1 type of port, enabling freedom to carry around my charged device without adapters/ports such as required by a USB-C port-only device. One would think my favoring MagSafe counters that view, but hey, it goes to show you that nobody fully "wins" the definition of convenience contest. The unique functional benefits a MagSafe port/cable provides far outweighs having a unique cable/charger that I leave at home 99% of the time, so I don't have to carry it around, harkening back to my preferring a MacBook that's as all-in-one as possible so I can walk up to most different/varying hardware in my home and various other locations in life where the cable already exists, waiting to be plugged in instantly without having to scramble for an adapter/dongle.

Everyone has different definitions of convenience and preferred function.
100% with you here.
For me, convenience is about having something ready when I didn't plan for it.

Does my new car have cupholders in the door as well as the ones my old car had in the console? Yes.
Did I ever plan on using more than 4 cup holders in a car? No. Not until covid and I put wet wipes on those nice big-gulp sized door cupholders.

Usually the MagSafe charger will have a home, a home where you're worried about dropping your laptop or the dog whisking under your legs. Like the couch.
At the desk with your fancy docking station, USB C makes most sense. 1 cable for video, charging and data.
With the new purported machine that allows those options, I have the best of both worlds.

An SD card reader makes sense also when you'd least expect it. For me, it's vacation. At home I have SD card readers all over the place but on vacation, I'm not even bringing a mac charger, just my 2015 13" so I have somewhere to dump extra photos or upload to a blog.

Same with HDMI. If the entire office had a bunch of laptops with no ports, the office would just leave a dongle connected to the conference room TV or projector. But laptops have HDMI ports, just not the newest batch of MBPs, so those without ports had to carry their laptop and a dongle. Stupid.
 
The sad part is that it is possible and even likely that software support for the touch bar will go away in subsequent versions of MacOS. Perhaps to a point where you update and it will just be changed into a static row of standard mac/function keys.
LOL I can totally see some engineer building in a end of life Easter egg that just displays middle finger emojis across the whole Touch Bar. < **🏻*🏼*🏽*🏾*🏿> 😂
 
I love how on the new news article about this that states it helps repair technicians be able to repair stuff cheaper than apple and not one person on that thread is complaining about how the schematics were obtained because now it can benefit them financially.
 
I love how on the new news article about this that states it helps repair technicians be able to repair stuff cheaper than apple and not one person on that thread is complaining about how the schematics were obtained because now it can benefit them financially.
In many cases, it's the ability to repair them at all.
The repair process at apple usually involves wiping the machine, thinking the reason the letter K isn't working could somehow be software based.
So if someone can take out 20 screws, peel off some adhesive, and replace something simple, knowing very well it may void their warranty but save them time and money, more power to them.
 
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