iPad Stop talking about a 12" iPad.

[ourmountain]

That's because the Surface is a laptop.

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That's different. A hybrid laptop isn't a 12" iPad. That would be a hybrid Air. That's another thing. It is a MacBook Air that runs OSX, but you can detach the screen and would switch to IOS.

Thats different than selling a 12" iPad. That would be a hybrid device. Not what I'm talking about.

The Surface is a tablet. I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be good.

And to go a little further, if Apple were to release a hybrid device (they won't), it would be neither a MacBook Air or an iPad Air. It would be a new device with a new name. To say it would be one or the other just to argue is foolish and uninformed.

 

[chupachup]

The Surface is a tablet. I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be good.

And to go a little further, if Apple were to release a hybrid device (they won't), it would be neither a MacBook Air or an iPad Air. It would be a new device with a new name. To say it would be one or the other just to argue is foolish and uninformed.

The Surface is only a tablet because it has a touchscreen, but for all practical purposes it is laptop.

You can't compare a Surface with any other tablet because a Surface runs Windows. A desktop operating system, so you can only compare a Surface with other laptops.

And most of the time, you will be using it with the keyboard propped up in the stand, which is really just a laptop.

This is why it isn't selling. Because it is a device that makes no sense. It wants to be a tablet but at the end of the day, it is just another laptop.

 

[ourmountain]

The Surface is only a tablet because it has a touchscreen, but for all practical purposes it is laptop.

You can't compare a Surface with any other tablet because a Surface runs Windows. A desktop operating system, so you can only compare a Surface with other laptops.

And most of the time, you will be using it with the keyboard propped up in the stand, which is really just a laptop.

This is why it isn't selling. Because it is a device that makes no sense. It wants to be a tablet but at the end of the day, it is just another laptop.

Tablet form factor, tablet function, tablet. Argue it all you want, but you're wrong.

 

[chupachup]

Tablet form factor, tablet function, tablet. Argue it all you want, but you're wrong.

I already told you it is a tablet. That's how the paragraph started.

A tablet is a computer device that can be operated by touch alone without the use of a mouse and a keyboard.

And for all practical purposes, it is a laptop.

By the definition of tablet, a Yoga is a tablet. My Lenovo T410 was a tablet. Most laptops now can be defined as tablets. Most of them can be operated by touch alone.

Should we compare them to iPads too?

 

[LizKat]

Was hoping for even larger. The iPad Pro will live one day!

Ten by fourteen would be great.

 

[ourmountain]

I already told you it is a tablet. That's how the paragraph started.

A tablet is a computer device that can be operated by touch alone without the use of a mouse and a keyboard.

And for all practical purposes, it is a laptop.

By the definition of tablet, a Yoga is a tablet. My Lenovo T410 was a tablet. Most laptops now can be defined as tablets. Most of them can be operated by touch alone.

Should we compare them to iPads too?

You really have a need for the gratification of being called right, don't you?

You won't get it from me, because, surprise, you're still wrong. On top of it, you're using an idiotic argument to attempt to be proven right, which you won't be.

You aren't the one who decides what constitutes a tablet or a notebook. You say "for practical purposes it's a laptop"? That's like saying "for practical purposes my Kia is an airplane because I can drive it off the top floor of a parking deck". The logic just doesn't work. You can SAY it, but it doesn't mean it makes sense.

And specifically regarding the Surface, it has no built in keyboard, no mouse, and doesn't even run a full version of Windows. It runs that mexican coat hanger abortion known as Windows RT. If you're gullible enough to think that makes it a laptop, I have a like new coat hanger I'd love to sell you.

 

[Night Spring]

And specifically regarding the Surface, it has no built in keyboard, no mouse, and doesn't even run a full version of Windows. It runs that mexican coat hanger abortion known as Windows RT. If you're gullible enough to think that makes it a laptop, I have a like new coat hanger I'd love to sell you.

I think the Surface RT has been so marginalized it's pretty close to dead. So, IMO, unless someone specifically states that they are talking about the RT version, when someone says "Surface," it's safe to assume that they are talking about a Surface Pro, the one that comes with full Windows.

 

[chupachup]

I think the Surface RT has been so marginalized it's pretty close to dead. So unless someone specifically states that they are talking about the RT version, IMO, it's safe to assume that when someone says "Surface," they are talking about a Surface Pro, the one that comes with full Windows.

He knows we are talking about the commercials. Surface Pro 3 vs Air. He is just trolling.

 

[ourmountain]

He knows we are talking about the commercials. Surface Pro 3 vs Air. He is just trolling.

Actually, no. I'm not. I'm pointing out your flawed argument. Just because I'm not agreeing with your idiotic opinion it doesn't mean I'm trolling.

At which point I'll direct you to Microsoft's advertising for the Surface Pro 3, featuring the phrase "The tablet that can replace your laptop."

http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/products/surface-pro-3

You argued first that it's really a laptop, you got called out, and now you're backtracking - pathetically I might add.





As far as comparing the Surface to other tablets as well as the MacBook Air, I'll just point out that of all those who have "practical purposes", the majority are buying iPads and Airs, with the Surface continuing to see embarrassingly low sales.

 

[Night Spring]

He knows we are talking about the commercials. Surface Pro 3 vs Air. He is just trolling.

Can we just give people the benefit of doubt before we start accusing them of trolling? Maybe he really did just miss the earlier posts where it was clearer we were talking about the SP3.

 

[chupachup]

You really have a need for the gratification of being called right, don't you?

You won't get it from me, because, surprise, you're still wrong. On top of it, you're using an idiotic argument to attempt to be proven right, which you won't be.

You aren't the one who decides what constitutes a tablet or a notebook. You say "for practical purposes it's a laptop"? That's like saying "for practical purposes my Kia is an airplane because I can drive it off the top floor of a parking deck". The logic just doesn't work. You can SAY it, but it doesn't mean it makes sense.

And specifically regarding the Surface, it has no built in keyboard, no mouse, and doesn't even run a full version of Windows. It runs that mexican coat hanger abortion known as Windows RT. If you're gullible enough to think that makes it a laptop, I have a like new coat hanger I'd love to sell you.

Let me educate you a little more.

Here:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer

"Tablets can be separated into several categories, according to the presence and physical appearance of a keyboard.*Slates*and*Bookletsdoes not have a physical keyboard and a text input typically is performed through the use of a virtual keyboard, projected on a touchscreen-enabled display.*Hybrids*and*Convertibles*do have physical keyboards, although the virtual keyboard feature is typically also available with these devices."

So these are all tablets

Including my u410T

Funny that even though my Lenovo U410T (the middle one ) is a hybrid tablet by definition, by all practical purposes it is very much a laptop. I never called it a tablet.

 

[Night Spring]

You argued first that it's really a laptop, you got called out, and now you're backtracking - pathetically I might add.

I think their argument, which they aren't doing a very good job of presenting, is that it is a tablet, but it's practically a laptop. I happen to agree with that view. I bought a Surface Pro 3 and used it for a few days before deciding to return it. It was almost as big as my 13 inch MacBook Air, and almost as heavy. I needed my laptop bag to carry it around. So in that sense, it is practically a laptop, despite fitting the definition of a tablet.

 

[chupachup]

Actually, no. I'm not. I'm pointing out your flawed argument. Just because I'm not agreeing with your idiotic opinion it doesn't mean I'm trolling.

At which point I'll direct you to Microsoft's advertising for the Surface Pro 3, featuring the phrase "The tablet that can replace your laptop."

http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/products/surface-pro-3

You argued first that it's really a laptop, you got called out, and now you're backtracking - pathetically I might add.





As far as comparing the Surface to other tablets as well as the MacBook Air, I'll just point out that of all those who have "practical purposes", the majority are buying iPads and Airs, with the Surface continuing to see embarrassingly low sales.

They're calling it a tablet. It is a tablet. I started saying it was a tablet. You quoted me. You just don't know how to read.

The truth is the Surface is a tablet like me ideapad was a tablet.

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I think their argument, which they aren't doing a very good job of presenting, is that it is a tablet, but it's practically a laptop. I happen to agree with that view. I bought a Surface Pro 3 and used it for a few days before deciding to return it. It was almost as big as my 13 inch MacBook Air, and almost as heavy. I needed my laptop bag to carry it around. So in that sense, it is practically a laptop, despite fitting the definition of a tablet.

Exactly. I've been trying to tell him that for 2 pages.

Again, technically it is a tablet. Technically my U410T was a tablet too. But for all practical purposes, in the end it is very much a laptop.

This is how you will use it most of the time.

Not only because of the form factor but because it is running a desktop OS, and a desktop OS doesn't want to be touched.

To be productive in Windows you need to be on the desktop all the time, which makes the Surface just another touch laptop.

 

[ourmountain]

Let me educate you a little more.

Here:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer

"Tablets can be separated into several categories, according to the presence and physical appearance of a keyboard.*Slates*and*Bookletsdoes not have a physical keyboard and a text input typically is performed through the use of a virtual keyboard, projected on a touchscreen-enabled display.*Hybrids*and*Convertibles*do have physical keyboards, although the virtual keyboard feature is typically also available with these devices."

So these are all tablets

Including my u410T

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Funny that even though my Lenovo U410T (the middle one ) is a hybrid tablet by definition, by all practical purposes it is very much a laptop. I never called it a tablet.

Educate me? I believe you're the one being taken to school here.

Let's reflect on your earlier post, shall we?

The Surface is only a tablet because it has a touchscreen, but for all practical purposes it is laptop.

You can't compare a Surface with any other tablet because a Surface runs Windows. A desktop operating system, so you can only compare a Surface with other laptops.

And most of the time, you will be using it with the keyboard propped up in the stand, which is really just a laptop.

This is why it isn't selling. Because it is a device that makes no sense. It wants to be a tablet but at the end of the day, it is just another laptop.

See, I think you're missing the point here - whether from lack of intellect or sheer stubbornness is beside the point.

You called it a laptop *four* times in that post, just a short while ago. When you got called out on it, you backed down, and now you're literally arguing for no reason. We agree that it's a tablet, but only because you changed your position regarding it after being called out on it.

Further, from that same post, it seems that you, like most people, dislike the Surface. So you're literally sitting here and arguing with me while at the same time agreeing with me over a device that you're not even invested in.

Do you see why one might question your logic a little? I mean, just a tad?

 

[chupachup]

Educate me? I believe you're the one being taken to school here.

Let's reflect on your earlier post, shall we?



See, I think you're missing the point here - whether from lack of intellect or sheer stubbornness is beside the point.

You called it a laptop *four* times in that post, just a short while ago. When you got called out on it, you backed down, and now you're literally arguing for no reason. We agree that it's a tablet, but only because you changed your position regarding it after being called out on it.

Further, from that same post, it seems that you, like most people, dislike the Surface. So you're literally sitting here and arguing with me while at the same time agreeing with me over a device that you're not even invested in.

Do you see why one might question your logic a little? I mean, just a tad?

I was absolutely right and the other poster said the same thing.

I said it may be a tablet, but for all practical purposes it is a laptop.

I never changed my position. Quote me changing my position. Where?

The Surface 2 is just another laptop with a touchscreen. It isn't a tablet in the truest sense. As I said before, you have to use it as a laptop 90% of the time.

It is a laptop (with touch capabilities)

And that's the truth. The end.

Here's a challenge. Give up all your devices. I will give you only a Surface for a month to do everything. Even at work. But I will ONLY give you a Surface. No keyboard. No mouse. No pen. Nothing. Just as it comes.

Let's see how productive you will be and then come back and call it a tablet.

 

[ourmountain]

I was absolutely right and the other poster said the same thing.

I said it may be a tablet, but for all practical purposes it is a laptop.

I never changed my position. Quote me changing my position. Where?

The Surface 2 is just another laptop with a touchscreen. It isn't a tablet in the truest sense. As I said before, you have to use it as a laptop 90% of the time.

It is a laptop (with touch capabilities)

And that's the truth. The end.

Here's a challenge. Give up all your devices. I will give you only a Surface for a month to do everything. Even at work. But I will ONLY give you a Surface. No keyboard. No mouse. No pen. Nothing. Just as it comes.

Let's see how productive you will be and then come back and call it a tablet.

Here's my challenge, make an argument that isn't babbled double-talk from the mouth of an idiot, and I might take you seriously.

I honest to god don't know if you're just that incapable of basic communication, if you're literally that dense, or even if you like or dislike the Surface. This post starts off by saying that it's a tablet, so you're right, then goes onto say emphatically that it's a laptop and that you're right. You're still wrong, and at this point my only purpose here is to continue making an absolute ass out of you.

As for quoting you changing your position, I'll stick with the above, quoted post. You literally change your position right there in it, so, yeah. Good job.

 

[rowspaxe]

I said it may be a tablet, but for all practical purposes it is a laptop.

Sorry, but its clearly a tablet. I use the surface mostly without a key cover. To me it analogous to a samsung note 12.2. I think it is slightly lighter.

The other devices you site are hybrids. The keyboard is attached. Other oems make hybrids with detachable tablets--which when detached--would have to be considered tablets as well.

Why do you not accept that the surface can be used as a tablet? It has a touch interface and an excellent touch browser. Personally i mostly use the desktop with sketchbook pro, but there are touch apps available in the windows store. I only use the key cover when responding to mail.

It hasnt replaced my laptop, but it has replaced my ipad

 

[rowspaxe]

You can't compare a Surface with any other tablet because a Surface runs Windows. A desktop operating system, so you can only compare a Surface with other laptops

Surface runs windows 8.x. It is a hybrid tablet (metro/modern) and desktop ui. The rest of this discussion is semantics--but here you are clearly wrong.

 

[chupachup]

Here's my challenge, make an argument that isn't babbled double-talk from the mouth of an idiot, and I might take you seriously.

I honest to god don't know if you're just that incapable of basic communication, if you're literally that dense, or even if you like or dislike the Surface. This post starts off by saying that it's a tablet, so you're right, then goes onto say emphatically that it's a laptop and that you're right. You're still wrong, and at this point my only purpose here is to continue making an absolute ass out of you.

As for quoting you changing your position, I'll stick with the above, quoted post. You literally change your position right there in it, so, yeah. Good job.

You're just trolling. I've been very clear.

Try to follow if you can and stop trolling.

The Surface is a tablet. The Yoga is a tablet. The Phone pad is a tablet. The U410T is a tablet.

They're all tablets.

What you fail to understand is that in reality, today, the line between tablets and laptops are blurring. One of the few companies left making real laptops at a premium is Apple.

Most other laptops that are being advertised are Tablets by definition. This all started with Windows 8, so manufacturers are giving their laptops Touch, and when you give a laptop Touch it becomes a tablet, because Windows has an onscreen keyboard so you can fully (in theory) operate that computer just by touch, which makes it a tablet. The fact that it has a keyboard attached makes it a Hybrid or a Convertible Tablet pc, whatever the case may be.

Now if you want to have a clear division between what really is a tablet and what really is a laptop then you have to take into account how people will use it and the operating system that it is running.

And again, I repeat, by all practical purposes a Surface is a laptop because it runs a desktop OS and you will be using it as a laptop 90% of the time.

You keep ignoring all that and resort to personal attacks.

You always know the one who loses the argument because he starts personally attacking the other one.

You have. I haven't.

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Sorry, but its clearly a tablet. I use the surface mostly without a key cover. To me it analogous to a samsung note 12.2. I think it is slightly lighter.

The other devices you site are hybrids. The keyboard is attached. Other oems make hybrids with detachable tablets--which when detached--would have to be considered tablets as well.

Why do you not accept that the surface can be used as a tablet? It has a touch interface and an excellent touch browser. Personally i mostly use the desktop with sketchbook pro, but there are touch apps available in the windows store. I only use the key cover when responding to mail.

It hasnt replaced my laptop, but it has replaced my ipad

Email. I can do that on my phone.

Your annectdote is nice. Thanks for sharing.

I already said not only the Surface is a tablet but all of them are. You're just repeating what I said. Hybrids and Convertibles are tablets. That's what I just said a few posts ago.

Why do you need to repeat it?

So you use your laptop mainly with touch.

I'm sure that someone who bought a Yoga can say the exact same thing.

And the windows store is atrocious.

And you saying the Surface can't replace your laptop is the most ridiculous thing anyone has said so far. It IS a laptop. Haha

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Surface runs windows 8.x. It is a hybrid tablet (metro/modern) and desktop ui. The rest of this discussion is semantics--but here you are clearly wrong.

I'm not wrong. How can you compare something that runs full Windows with something that runs a mobile OS?

Are you joking? You really want to compare a Surface with an iPad? Haha.

And BTW, most of the time that Metro ui just kicks you back to the desktop. Unless you use your Surface to watch YouTube and flip board, when you actually want to DO some work, you'll be at the desktop.

 

[chupachup]

BTW, Microsoft is about to kill the Surface altogether, so who cares.

The point is Hybrids suck, that's why they're massive failures, and Apple won't have a 12" Frankenstein hybrid Laplet.

And that's the end of the conversation.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Ten by fourteen would be great.

I like the way you cat thinks!

 

[cynics]

I'm the person that originally brought up the surface pro 3.

The reason I did was because I suggested that iOS on an iPad should be more powerful as the competition is starting to move that way.

Our company is testing the surface pro 3's out now as iPad replacements because we need something more powerful in a tablet form factor. Just like we moved from blackberry. Did the same with Nextel back in the day. It's still a long way off but we are starting to do the same with iOS devices. That is why I'd like to see a more powerful iOS.

There are 5 of them and although I'm not one of the people testing them they are not using it with a laptop or mouse. No problems aside from the learning curve.

Btw the argument over what it's called (tablet) can't be defined by it's software or accessories. Android offers USB hosting, if you hook a mouse to it is it suddenly a laptop? If I emulate Android on a surface pro is it no longer a laptop? Does that fact I can't get one to sit in my lap like laptop have any bearing on anything? Lol

 

[AppleAlexander]

50" Ipad

They could do a 50" Ipad then we could hang it on the wall as a viewing screen. Oh hang on would that not be the long time rumoured iTV !

 

[rowspaxe]

They could do a 50" Ipad then we could hang it on the wall as a viewing screen. Oh hang on would that not be the long time rumoured iTV !

Actually the sp3 is as thick as an ipad 1 and only 7 oz heavier than a ipad air, despite having considerably more screen space . While I would not hold it in one hand like a mini--it is as flexible in use as an ipad 1--imo.

Its an awesome product that really must be seen and held first hand to be appreciated

 

[cube]

I could not wait any longer for a 12" iPad, so I got a Galaxy Tab PRO 12.2 at a great price.