Why do you care so much if people decide to wait? Are you a share holder? if so, it would make more sense why you are so furious with people waiting to buy. What does it matter if people decide to wait? You obviously did not want to wait which is fine, but why rant on those who wish to wait?
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Stop Waiting for the MBP. Apple is not releasing it.
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I dont think that argument works. As we all know the MBP update is going to fairly low key. Processor upgrade, maybe multitouch included. I don't think its a radical redesign therefore its not like Apple are gonna run new ads for it and shout about it. It'll just be added to the store one day and say that its updated. The people that are waiting for one are gonna jump on it while all the focus is still on the new product the Air.
Also 'is not releasing it' is a little strong. Never going to upgrade MBP?? i dont think so
Also 'is not releasing it' is a little strong. Never going to upgrade MBP?? i dont think so
My 2 cents worth...
The question I would like you all to consider is whether you would rather have your shiny new MBP now full of bugs, dodgy screens and falling apart or wait another few weeks to get something that actually does what it says on the tin?
I am more than happy to wait a bit longer if it means Im not calling up applecare all the time and shipping it back to the hell knows where.
On another note concerning comments of "why would anyone buy a MBA over a MBP"? Simply walk outside into your parking lot and see all the dumb shmucks with their overpriced cars... Its all about perception and being cool and hats off to Apple for realizing that...
The question I would like you all to consider is whether you would rather have your shiny new MBP now full of bugs, dodgy screens and falling apart or wait another few weeks to get something that actually does what it says on the tin?
I am more than happy to wait a bit longer if it means Im not calling up applecare all the time and shipping it back to the hell knows where.
On another note concerning comments of "why would anyone buy a MBA over a MBP"? Simply walk outside into your parking lot and see all the dumb shmucks with their overpriced cars... Its all about perception and being cool and hats off to Apple for realizing that...
Good business sense?
Do you understand market segmentation?
By your logic Apple should drop the iMac, Mac Mini, and Macbook Pro lines because they are cannibalising Mac Pro sales.
Idiot.
Actually I understand your point but I don't think you were getting mine. You're right, people in those professions should know computers very well but you have to understand that even graphc designers and musicians don't keep up with what Penryn or Merom or Santa Rosa or the ULED, that's just not what's on top of their list. Most pros know the software they are using, not necessarily the ins and outs and the latest and greatest of the Core 2 Duo processors. I don't think most pros are going into the Apple store asking how much L2 cache is in the latest Intel chip and is it 45 or 65nm? That's just not the norm.
For your information, there are more installs of CS3 sold on Windows than on the Mac. Just a heads up for you.
If Apple intentionally chooses to keep doing this, one fine day Adobe might just declare "Guess what? It is not worth our while to produce CSX for Mac anymore!"
And who do you think that will hurt more? Definitely not Adobe.
MBP will get its update when Montevina is released (It has been announced) and I don't expect it anytime sooner.
Probably because a pro would already know that by doing research on the product they're about to spend 2+ grand on.
You came off as a pretty big ass in the "almost bought a macbook today" thread, and you're not helping yourself with this thread either.
Waiting is fine as long as you don't need the laptop right away. I however, needed one asap, so I purchased a macbook pro last week (my first mac!) and I can honestly say I've never been happier with any purchase, period. Sure, the upgraded macbook pro will be faster and better, but its not going to help me take notes in anatomy class anymore than this current one. 
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Waiting is fine as long as you don't need the laptop right away. I however, needed one asap, so I purchased a macbook pro last week (my first mac!) and I can honestly say I've never been happier with any purchase, period. Sure, the upgraded macbook pro will be faster and better, but its not going to help me take notes in anatomy class anymore than this current one.
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good lord learn how to resize a picture
Complete and utter nonsense. The MBA and MBP don't compete in even remotely the same sector. So what you're saying is that Apple will actively attempt to hold back it's professional and top of the line laptop for a lesser model? The MBA is a niche model, primarily aimed at those looking for a small and light second laptop. The MBP is Apples premium laptop, why would they want to hold it back for a lesser model?
If as you say Apple have put $$$ into MBA technology why would they want to restrict it to only one model range and therefore limit market share? Frankly Apple haven't put that much into the MBA anyway.
Look at other manuafacturers, do they hold back on model ranges especially unrelated ones to hope that users purchase one of their other models even though the consumers requirements may be completely different? The iPhone is another prime example, how long after the iPhone did we get the iPod Touch? Not long.
I can only assume that you're a new MBA owner who has bought into the hype? The MBA is a midrange laptop.
Apple will update the MBP once 10.5.2 is out, it will only be a minor update but an update none the less.
I can't see what the problem is if users want to put off buying a laptop for a couple of weeks in the hope of an update if that is important to them. Most members on here are probably more technology aware than most consumers and if waiting for a Penryn update is what they want then that is fine as far as I'm concerned.
It certainly has little to do with 'good business sense' and frankly after reading your post you clearly don't understand the concept.
Wow.
Double Wow.
At a loss for words. Actually no, here are some. Are you kidding me? Obviously not.
Right, I'm the immature one. For the record, never made any assumptions about your income.
But all that is dirt under the rug.
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My take on the MacBook Pro is this:
The Titanium PowerBook was a very popular machine. It evolved into the Aluminum PowerBook which is what the MacBook Pro case is today. It has only seen subtle changes like LED and Magsafe and of course the intel transition while the Keyboard, backlit and all, and the case design have not changed. The reason for this in my opinon is that the MacBook Pro has been a great selling computer for Apple, one by which other manufacturers have aspired to, and it continues to be a great design. People unfamiliar with them, and new owners alike, are always taken aback by its elegance and style. And as long as they have that going, there is no reason to change it. It may see a changed MacBook/MacBook Air style keyboard, more rigid but still silver as I don't see them going black. It will undoubtedly get the multitouch trackpad. And the specs will get updated internally as new tech comes out.
And as always one thing will never change about the MacBook Pro or any of Apple's other products: People will always want something they left out, a better video card, more frequent updates, and a lower price point.
Double Wow.
At a loss for words. Actually no, here are some. Are you kidding me? Obviously not.
Right, I'm the immature one. For the record, never made any assumptions about your income.
But all that is dirt under the rug.
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My take on the MacBook Pro is this:
The Titanium PowerBook was a very popular machine. It evolved into the Aluminum PowerBook which is what the MacBook Pro case is today. It has only seen subtle changes like LED and Magsafe and of course the intel transition while the Keyboard, backlit and all, and the case design have not changed. The reason for this in my opinon is that the MacBook Pro has been a great selling computer for Apple, one by which other manufacturers have aspired to, and it continues to be a great design. People unfamiliar with them, and new owners alike, are always taken aback by its elegance and style. And as long as they have that going, there is no reason to change it. It may see a changed MacBook/MacBook Air style keyboard, more rigid but still silver as I don't see them going black. It will undoubtedly get the multitouch trackpad. And the specs will get updated internally as new tech comes out.
And as always one thing will never change about the MacBook Pro or any of Apple's other products: People will always want something they left out, a better video card, more frequent updates, and a lower price point.
Whoever made this post
lacks business sense, and clearly has no clue as to what Apple is doing.
The MBP will be released by March 17th, so yes, WAIT for the MBP. It's coming and soon.
lacks business sense, and clearly has no clue as to what Apple is doing.
The MBP will be released by March 17th, so yes, WAIT for the MBP. It's coming and soon.
Hiya!
The only point I wanted to make was windows market share over osx. Naturally, its going to be bigger. Its not right though !!!
As sad as this is, I agree with the original poster.
I don't even have a laptop right now. I am using a 6 year old P.O.S Totally Awesome Computers PC with no hardware updates whatsoever since it's purchase. This will be my transition from PC to Mac and I'm greatly looking forward to it. Shortly before Christmas I went to my Apple store looking to buy a MBP, and the sales rep told me to hold off because the new MBP was going to be released January 16th. This wait is KILLING me and I want a MBP so bad, but it kills me to say that I don't think the new MBP will be coming out within the next few weeks.
I don't even have a laptop right now. I am using a 6 year old P.O.S Totally Awesome Computers PC with no hardware updates whatsoever since it's purchase. This will be my transition from PC to Mac and I'm greatly looking forward to it. Shortly before Christmas I went to my Apple store looking to buy a MBP, and the sales rep told me to hold off because the new MBP was going to be released January 16th. This wait is KILLING me and I want a MBP so bad, but it kills me to say that I don't think the new MBP will be coming out within the next few weeks.
Firstly, I disagree with the OP. I just don't see that Apple would not update the MBP with a better trackpad and Penryn in a few weeks. It's not a major update, and I'm certainly not gonna be upset that I didn't wait 6 months to get this model.
However, despite what people say, there is some overlap between the MBP and MBA. This is because not everyone in the world falls into a designated category. For example, I have a friend at Uni who is doing lots of computer programming subjects. He has an old PC desktop, and wants an Apple notebook. But the question is, does he buy a MBA, going for long battery life, and portability, and continue to rely on the old PC for games and storage, or does he buy a MBP, and trash the old PC?
Then again, this is not a reason why Apple should delay the MBP. Because whichever he buys, Apple will still get their money, and he'll get a great machine that will undoubtedly make his next purchase also a Mac.
Now, although I reckon this update is going to be pretty pointless (Merom update from Yonah) and I think Apple could definitely get away with waiting for Montevina (which will make a worthwhile update) they won't. Although they tend to fail dismally with GPUs, Apple seem to take pride in using the best CPUs available. It might take them a few weeks/months/(almost a year ie. Mac Pro) but eventually they get there, and they don't often miss a step. For this reason, so Apple can tout their use of cutting edge 45nm technology, I say the MBP will definitely be coming in a couple of weeks.
Expect Montevina MBPs around June. Expect better wireless, possibility of Robson Flash Disk technology version 2, DDR3 800MHz RAM, and a better GPU. And slightly better CPU.
I think everyone is going to be very underwhelmed with this update. The next few updates look excellent though. Montevina, then Nehalem (Core 3) early next year... Quad Core MBPs next year...
However, despite what people say, there is some overlap between the MBP and MBA. This is because not everyone in the world falls into a designated category. For example, I have a friend at Uni who is doing lots of computer programming subjects. He has an old PC desktop, and wants an Apple notebook. But the question is, does he buy a MBA, going for long battery life, and portability, and continue to rely on the old PC for games and storage, or does he buy a MBP, and trash the old PC?
Then again, this is not a reason why Apple should delay the MBP. Because whichever he buys, Apple will still get their money, and he'll get a great machine that will undoubtedly make his next purchase also a Mac.
Now, although I reckon this update is going to be pretty pointless (Merom update from Yonah) and I think Apple could definitely get away with waiting for Montevina (which will make a worthwhile update) they won't. Although they tend to fail dismally with GPUs, Apple seem to take pride in using the best CPUs available. It might take them a few weeks/months/(almost a year ie. Mac Pro) but eventually they get there, and they don't often miss a step. For this reason, so Apple can tout their use of cutting edge 45nm technology, I say the MBP will definitely be coming in a couple of weeks.
bubble27 said:
Expect Montevina MBPs around June. Expect better wireless, possibility of Robson Flash Disk technology version 2, DDR3 800MHz RAM, and a better GPU. And slightly better CPU.
I think everyone is going to be very underwhelmed with this update. The next few updates look excellent though. Montevina, then Nehalem (Core 3) early next year... Quad Core MBPs next year...
Huh? check post number 56. I think you quoted the wrong person. My post has nothing to do with your rebuttal.
I personally believe that the MBP update will be a relatively quiet one.
No picture on the main apple page, just a little badge on the MBP on the storefront that says "new".
I do not think anything short aof a complete case redesign would cause Apple to make it out to be as big a deal as the MBA
No picture on the main apple page, just a little badge on the MBP on the storefront that says "new".
I do not think anything short aof a complete case redesign would cause Apple to make it out to be as big a deal as the MBA
Apple and it's users LOL.
The idiocy i have been trying to escape by switching from windows to OSX has been matched by apple.
Don't agree.
The MBP doesn't need a design revamp - it is the most sleep laptop out there. Upgrading the processor to Peryn, bump the GPU and introduce LED-back lit to the 17", also multi-touch.
That will not affect the MacBook Air at all. They are completely different laptops for different needs. The MacBook Air is an ultra-portable Mac that is great for on the go needs and for doing things that aren't too demanding. The MacBook Pro is aimed at professionals who need a fast laptop with very high performance on the go. A studio editor might use a MBP for doing extra work while traveling between locations. He isn't going to use a MacBook Air for that.
The MacBook Pro isn't an ultra-portable either. It is very thin and light for the performance it packs, but nothing compared to the Air.
People who would be considering buying an Air wouldn't jump at a new MacBook Pro unless they are just silly Apple fanboys wanting a new gadget.
They are two separate markets.
The MBP doesn't need a design revamp - it is the most sleep laptop out there. Upgrading the processor to Peryn, bump the GPU and introduce LED-back lit to the 17", also multi-touch.
That will not affect the MacBook Air at all. They are completely different laptops for different needs. The MacBook Air is an ultra-portable Mac that is great for on the go needs and for doing things that aren't too demanding. The MacBook Pro is aimed at professionals who need a fast laptop with very high performance on the go. A studio editor might use a MBP for doing extra work while traveling between locations. He isn't going to use a MacBook Air for that.
The MacBook Pro isn't an ultra-portable either. It is very thin and light for the performance it packs, but nothing compared to the Air.
People who would be considering buying an Air wouldn't jump at a new MacBook Pro unless they are just silly Apple fanboys wanting a new gadget.
They are two separate markets.