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Stress your Nvidia GPUS Now!!
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I'm guessing the reason I had no problems with my xbox 360 is because I hardly play any games. I mainly use it to stream .wmv 1080p movies with dts via connect360 from my mac.
lol yeah ur right and im not against the whole stress-test idea. i always do that with my newest graphics cards, but within reasonable limits. i too own a mbp and also am slightly worried about my gpu, but going overboard with the stress test to make money out of it and risking fraud charges is kinda overkill imo lol.
I pretty much agree that no one should be "making" money out of this. gangzoom isn't going to get his £1599 back for the laptop, but I would certainly expect them to make sure its fully fixed. Neither am I going to stress my MacBook Pro as I'm two weeks outside my warranty and couldn't buy AppleCare in my country. This whole thing sure annoys me because it means I probably won't take the risk of playing 3D games again on my MBP (unless Apple turns around and goes "haha it was all just a big joke, your nvidia cards are fine").
I doubt he'll get his refund unless he's within the 14 days of return date so that he wont have to pay restocking fee.
Only other option he has now is to replace the logic board and pray to god that the newer logic boards have the newer gpu that has the asic board fixed with a new substrate.
Or receive the new mbp with the new logic board, try the same testing if it does it again send it in again and do the testing again if it occurs once more 3rd times a charm and ask for a refund or hopefully he can swap it out with the new montevina by then.
Only other option he has now is to replace the logic board and pray to god that the newer logic boards have the newer gpu that has the asic board fixed with a new substrate.
Or receive the new mbp with the new logic board, try the same testing if it does it again send it in again and do the testing again if it occurs once more 3rd times a charm and ask for a refund or hopefully he can swap it out with the new montevina by then.
But it's not "making money" off of it, is it? It's getting a refund or money back, paid for a defective product. If they only "reimburse" him through a new machine, and he decides to sell it, is that fraud?
I don't think it is (or at least shouldn't be), but I'm honestly not well informed on this type of thing.
I dont think its "fraud" either because we can stress test it or use the hell out of it and still shouldnt have these problems in the end.
FINALLY... a thread where fanboys don't defend an Apple to hell.. (sorta).. This might be the only thread that is making sense where people actually making posts that makes sense.
Just to make a point, if we're not meant to run our computer to its "designed" capacity, why are we paying more to get a faster machine?
Just to make a point, if we're not meant to run our computer to its "designed" capacity, why are we paying more to get a faster machine?
Yes... because beating a dog for its entire life won't come back to bite you (no pun intended, but pain is) in the end.
"I've been running my GPU at 100% capacity twelve straight hours a day every day for the past six months and it broke. I demand a new one!"
You'd be laughed out of the Apple Store.
If you're running it at only 100% capacity Apple is liable. If you ran it at 101% or more than Apple's specifications and it fails and you demand a refund it is fraud.
I expect my MBP to be able to work at 100% CPU and GPU load constantly for the three years its covered by AppleCare. If it can't do that, it's Apple's problem to make it right. If NVIDIA is at fault then it is up to Apple to take it up with NVIDIA, not me.
I used to be an asus repair tech, and we ran all sorts of stress tests for GPUS, but not for as long as you would think after GPU repair. Just a night, something like that. Seems like the most apple can do for you guys is replace the GPU if something is actually wrong, and run a test over night or something, and send it back to you. Even if you find the problem after running at capacity, you will just be left with the same care probably until Apple/Nvidia replaces the "faulty" part.
I guess if the OP has overclocked it and messed it up then its not nvidia or apple's fault.
You're missing something here. The chip itself might cost NVIDIA $5-10, but it's also soldered onto a $500-1,000 logic board. You can't just desolder a GPU. It doesn't work that way. Complete logic boards with corrected GPUs have to be replaced. Replace those a few hundred thousand times... Sure, the XBox 360 problem was on a much larger scale, but assuming this problem gets addressed, it'll still cost NVIDIA millions.
I'm sure apple reuses their logic boards and resolder the new nvidia gpu kind of like recycled for replaced logic boards. Dont ever think when they replace a logic board for you that its magically brand new.
Everything gets reused especially if its the same gpu that goes onto the logic board. But maybe if it were a totally different gpu that apple were going to replace it with that the current logic board wouldnt be able to utilize then they would need to make a whole new logic board.
Overclocking or stress testing is not fraud. Jeebus people, do some research on legal terminology.
Well not necessarily. The core design issue is NVidia's fault. But Apple chose the GPU as part of a system. And a system needs to be tested as a whole.
I work for a fairly large medical device manufacturer that is FDA regulated and audited regularly. Every 3rd party piece of hardware and software, no matter how big or popular in the industry, needs to be validated by quality assurance in our labs before it can be integrated into our products, and further on down the line our systems are tested as a whole. Unit testing is testing the individual components - regression testing happens afterward which ensures all the components work together in harmony as a system.
So when a laptop is designed I imagine it goes through a battery of tests that test all subsystems within the scope of the machine itself, and this is to be performed by the laptop manufacturer. Quite frankly I'm surprised if the test result in this thread is actually repeatable to some degree on a random sample how this problem wasn't discovered by the manufacturers during the prototyping phase.
Wow that's exactly what has happened to my old Sawtooth's card..doubt it's related though.
On topic, by stressing my 12" PowerBook (Nvidia 5200) I unfortunately managed to kill it. Played a game, for only 3 minutes, computer got very hot, computer froze, resulting in graphical glitches and constant freezing before the computer could even re start up ever again. Now it's just sitting unused.
Whatever people do to their cards is their business as far as I am concerned. Just post here and let us know what happens. =)
Ok, but seriously, I'm kinda concerned about my baby's longevity after all this Nvidia hooplah.
Ok, but seriously, I'm kinda concerned about my baby's longevity after all this Nvidia hooplah.
This is so true. I've seen two other 12' Powerbook with Nvidia 5200's suffering from video card failure, both in Non-Gaming environments (school environment). Supposedly one of them is permanently dead now, the other has the vertical blotches on it like the tread-starters....
I just wish someone tried to stress test the 12" powerbook's back when they were in their prime, and enough people actually did it to allow apple to acknowledge there was possibly a problem (not sure if there is ...)