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Students Stop Moaning!
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again read my post. It is impossible to install OSX on a computer that is not an Apple made computer. All Apple made come with OSX. So yes you can put in the disk apple knows you are just upgrading because guess what they already have done that check to make sure you had a previous version of the OS.
The only difference between Upgrade on M$ OS is I have to show proof to the installer that I have a older copy of the OS. Apple does that check by making sure you are installing OSX on an Apple made computer. No more checking needed after that. This is why it not a fair price comparing OSX to non-upgrade prices of Windows. You can only compare upgrades with upgrades.
Alienating life-long users? I doubt it. Apple has been offering educational pricing for years and what's Apple's OS X marketshare today?
Please lay off the coffee, maybe I have misses the moaning, I tend to skim over that sort of thing. The thing is the educational discounts have been getting slimmer and slimmer. Now not having an educational discount on an iPod makes sense. Since OS X has been around the price has been $129, $199 for the family pack, and $69 with the educational discount. The base price haws remained the same, but the education discount is smaller.
I have a shiny new MBP and an iPod and and appleTV because I make $67k and can afford it, but the nice thing about a continuing education is that I am a student and therefor get a discount, and I sure would like to save that $44 if I could. That could be a decent meal.
I agree. Why would you want to spend extra money if you don't have to. Anyone who says they are cool with spending more than they expect because it is Apple is a moron. I'm going to wait until launch day to see if it does show up at the campus computer store for less.
So, anyone at a campus store want to buy a copy for me and I'll send ya some money? 
I too am a student and was looking forward to Leopard's release. I was NOT however looking forward to a huge increase of price like that. I'm feeling somewhat confident that my bookstore will have it for a much lower price, but I'm not certain. They sell Adobe software at half the cost of the education prices online. I got the Adobe Creative Suite 3 Premium for $299 instead of $599. This price increase just cuts into the purchase of an external HD for my MBP.
In all honesty, I saw a price increase in store for Leopards release, however I NEVER would have guessed it'd only be $13 less than the normal price. I'd even say $99 is a fair price for students. But a 10% discount? That's it? I guess I'll be hitting up my friend who is an Apple supply rep. now, see what he can offer me.
I too am a student and was looking forward to Leopard's release. I was NOT however looking forward to a huge increase of price like that. I'm feeling somewhat confident that my bookstore will have it for a much lower price, but I'm not certain. They sell Adobe software at half the cost of the education prices online. I got the Adobe Creative Suite 3 Premium for $299 instead of $599. This price increase just cuts into the purchase of an external HD for my MBP.
In all honesty, I saw a price increase in store for Leopards release, however I NEVER would have guessed it'd only be $13 less than the normal price. I'd even say $99 is a fair price for students. But a 10% discount? That's it? I guess I'll be hitting up my friend who is an Apple supply rep. now, see what he can offer me.
I just want to add the fact that when comparing leopard to vista, you also have to compare the time between updates. XP came out in 2001 along with OS X 10.1 around the same time. Apples prices were always constant ($129). Now an upgrade from XP to Vista took relatively 5 years and in that same time OS X was updated 4 times now. (For arguements sake, from 10.3-10.5 aside from new features everything is relatively the same, correct me if i am wrong.) (i know its a broad simplification, but hell if you guys want to compare vista to just 10.5.... we have to) If we just look at 10.3-10.5 it is 129*3 at least. which is 387. When compared to an Upgrade to Vista ULtimate for $250. the point that i am trying to make is that in the long run os x is generally more expensive than windows. Also vista is a whole NEW opperating system written from ground up while 10.5 builds on 10.4 but we still get charged a crap load. I think from that point the educational price increase is BS. Anyone else agree with me?
P.s. if people get pissed off so be it. I am not a vista advocate (i hate it acutally and will probably be buying 10.5 family pack)
P.s. if people get pissed off so be it. I am not a vista advocate (i hate it acutally and will probably be buying 10.5 family pack)
I can install a new, unformatted hard drive in any (current) Apple machine and install Leopard on it. Once again, and for the final time, Apple does NOT publish but two versions of OS X: Consumer, and Server. Period. No "Upgrade", no "Basic", no "Enterprise", no "Ultimate". Any OSX CD (or DVD) is now, and always has been, a full version. This is not an arguable point; it is simple fact.
Because that's how Leopard's price points were set
Damn right. I'm a consumer, and if I find pricing to be unfitting, then I won't buy the product. I will also complain about it because that's how things change. This rather unexpected change in student pricing is not welcome. The reason students used to get better pricing was because Apple assumed that the student market was somewhat limited, and that giving them some incentives would be a good way to attract young converts. The old 50% discount has now been cut down to a paltry 10%. As a cash-strapped student, I can say that even $47 makes a difference. That's a good 23 slices of pizza!
Anyways, the point is that students have a legitimate right to complain because as sad as it is, Microsoft does a better job now appealing to students with good software pricing.
well for all those telling students to quit complaining, I'd agree with you if the price hike was a bit more reasonable, but only getting $13 off means a lot more Ramen will be consumed in 2008.
for those comparing Leopard to Vista prices, that's irrelevant. Many college students can download Vista for free just for being enrolled, and speaking of discounts, Microsoft allows you to download Office Ultimate 2007 for $59.95 (91% discount)
I think Apple's student discounts (in store and through their website) are a joke now anyway. They barely cover sale's tax.
I suspect that Apple raised the price because of the supposed misuse of the educational discount. My only basis for that is that many students (including myself) can still get Leopard for $69 from their school's bookstore, so it seems that was a move by Apple to try and keep the $69 Leopards in legit hands.
for those comparing Leopard to Vista prices, that's irrelevant. Many college students can download Vista for free just for being enrolled, and speaking of discounts, Microsoft allows you to download Office Ultimate 2007 for $59.95 (91% discount)
I think Apple's student discounts (in store and through their website) are a joke now anyway. They barely cover sale's tax.
I suspect that Apple raised the price because of the supposed misuse of the educational discount. My only basis for that is that many students (including myself) can still get Leopard for $69 from their school's bookstore, so it seems that was a move by Apple to try and keep the $69 Leopards in legit hands.
and I repeat yet again they really only sell the upgrade.
I get sick and tired of people comparing OSX price to a Full version of Windows when really a much better comparison is the upgrade copies.
Also read you point again you said APPLE machine which means it had OSX on it. So the check for a prevision versions of OSX to upgrade check is just making sure it is an apple machine. That is unless you can tell me when apple sells a computer with out an OS on it expects you to be on your own. Oh wait you can't because all apple computer come with OSX on them.
This is my point on why people price comparing is complete and utter bull crap. The copy of OSX you get in the store is more like an upgrade than a full version. Also like I pointed out earily I know for a fact I can put in my computer a unformated hard drive and install XP on it with an upgrade disk by telling the OS I own a copy of windows 98. Install full clean copy for me. That is really not any different than what you copy of the OS you get from apple is doing.
I guess if you apply it to Apple releases of its OS, it can be easily said the same for Windows?
not exactly because I can build a computer that never had a version of windows on it so I would need a full version. You have to remember M$ does not control the hardware side of the computer that it OS is on.
All apple computer come with OSX on them.
The reason I list it as an upgrade for apple is because it gives a much more realistic price comparison. If apple ever deside to release OSX for all PC you can bet money they would do the same type of modeling M$ did. upgrade and full versions
I doubt it, If you wipe your harddrive, or whatever, by a new one. There is no OS X magically on it. You install the whole operating system.
There are far too many responses here to reply to each one individually.
Leopard is $116 if you buy the edu version from Apple. Period. If you wait a few days and buy it from your uni bookstore you may be able to get it for $69 given what some people have said on this thread.
If you really are a poor student then save for the extra $47. This may (shock horror) mean that you can't get Leopard on the 26th. This, I'm afraid, is what saving is all about. Afterall, no one is forcing you to upgrade - Tiger works very well last time I looked.
This quote cracks me up the most though:
It must be really hard to budget as a poor student when you own a $500 mobile phone. I'm a doctor and even I can't afford an iPhone!
MadDoc,
Leopard is $116 if you buy the edu version from Apple. Period. If you wait a few days and buy it from your uni bookstore you may be able to get it for $69 given what some people have said on this thread.
If you really are a poor student then save for the extra $47. This may (shock horror) mean that you can't get Leopard on the 26th. This, I'm afraid, is what saving is all about. Afterall, no one is forcing you to upgrade - Tiger works very well last time I looked.
This quote cracks me up the most though:
It must be really hard to budget as a poor student when you own a $500 mobile phone. I'm a doctor and even I can't afford an iPhone!
MadDoc,
ah you forget one of the checks on the OS install is to make sure it is an apple computer and that I believe is stored on the logic board and if it is an apple computer then it means it has had OSX installed on it so it completed the check it needed to make sure you have a previous version of OSX
It's not that it's an increase from Tiger to Leopard. It's an increase since Jaguar.
10.1 - Free or $20 (depending how soon you got the copy from your local reseller, mine was free)
10.2 - $69
10.3 - $69
10.4 - $69
Also, some are worried that Apple is going to increase the student pricing for other software, such as Final Cut, which would not only drive us to another suite, but our schools as well.
For the record, my school has an Apple Store in it, so we get the increased pricing.
10.1 - Free or $20 (depending how soon you got the copy from your local reseller, mine was free)
10.2 - $69
10.3 - $69
10.4 - $69
Also, some are worried that Apple is going to increase the student pricing for other software, such as Final Cut, which would not only drive us to another suite, but our schools as well.
For the record, my school has an Apple Store in it, so we get the increased pricing.
I just bought a copy of Leopard online a few minutes ago. I am a University lecturer - and here in the UK, of you connect to the Apple Store from work it detects that you are a on a University machine - you just pick your university from the list.
Anyway, this is the detail from my checkout receipt:
Total: £ 50.00
Discount: -£ 22.34
VAT @17.50%: £ 8.75
Order Total: £ 58.75
So I paid 58 pounds - with an educational discount of 22 pounds - which I am happy with!!
Like many UK universities I can get a free copy of XP under the Microsoft select agreement - but I have a MAC so to hell with Vista!!!
Anyway, this is the detail from my checkout receipt:
Total: £ 50.00
Discount: -£ 22.34
VAT @17.50%: £ 8.75
Order Total: £ 58.75
So I paid 58 pounds - with an educational discount of 22 pounds - which I am happy with!!
Like many UK universities I can get a free copy of XP under the Microsoft select agreement - but I have a MAC so to hell with Vista!!!
Not all campus stores will have this policy. Some of us will be forced to accept the $116 price tag. There are schools that do a good job at offering discounts, then there are some that are just awful at it.
It isn't always a matter of "saving," as I have the money to buy Leopard at full price. However, value is awful important to us college folk, and being forced to pay $116 for a software upgrade that comes along every two years is rather extreme. If you do the math, after four years of school, that is $232+tax. Considering the fact that Vista had a better pricing schedule than this, I think what Apple is doing is rather bold. The company which once gave great discounts to students now has mediocre discounts. Not at all a good thing, as it might make many students ignore Apple and head back to Windows (assuming other software follows the iWork and Leopard trend).
Not that you could get one in Australia either
I just went to my college's computer store, and Leopard will be $69 from them. I guess it depends on the school, but many are offering the institutional price!
Excellent. This just further diminishes the chances of non-students exploiting the system