Students Stop Moaning!

[CalBoy]

If you aren't willing to pay 116 bucks for Leopard then stick with Tiger. There is absolutely no reason to whine and moan about it.

Remember... Apple is not obligated to give us students ANY discount, be lucky that you are getting one at all.

Sure, we won't update if we don't find anything that's worth $116. In fact, I don't think it is worth it at this point. Tiger is working out fine for me. However, I will complain. That's my right and power as a consumer. Telling me that I should lie down and feel "lucky" is absurd. If students boycott Leopard, it will send a message to Apple that their pricing is off. Now I don't expect this to happen, but if a student feels compelled to complain, more power to them.

 

[dranakin]

Afterall, no one is forcing you to upgrade - Tiger works very well last time I looked.

Ahem, some of us are still running Panther...

 

[zioxide]

Finally, if you still think it is too expensive, why not buy a family pack with 4 other mates at Uni - that way it works out at only $40 (US) (that's what I used to do when I was at Med School (thus I know what it's like to be broke!).

Because it's a violation of Terms and Conditions?

Not if they live in the same dorm as you


I wish my school bookstore sold Apple software, but nooo, we're a "Dell campus". Oh well, at least I get to laugh when my friends are getting their shitt latitudes fixed every month.

 

[janey]

Afterall, no one is forcing you to upgrade - Tiger works very well last time I looked.

No, you're only forced into upgrading because your software is blown into obsolescence. If not by Apple by not providing bug/security fixes, then by 3rd party developers who stop supporting it.

So yeah, you can use Tiger or Panther or even god forbid Jaguar all you want, but you'll be missing out on all the applications. Especially because there's so many developer goodies in Leopard that are enticing reasons to drop support for previous OSs because Apple isn't willing to backport all of that to Tiger as well.

Sure doesn't sound forced to me.

 

[Multimedia]

I Will Find Anyone In Education A Place To Buy Leopard For $69

Post your school and your city and state and I will track down where you can buy it within driving distance or via mail order for $69.

 

[CalBoy]

Post your school and your city and state and I will track down where you can buy it within driving distance or via mail order for $69.

How generous!

However, I await your wisdom on the topic of Apple's change in pricing structure for student software (both Leopard and iWork).

 

[MadDoc]

It isn't always a matter of "saving," as I have the money to buy Leopard at full price. However, value is awful important to us college folk, and being forced to pay $116 for a software upgrade that comes along every two years is rather extreme. )

No one is forcing you to upgrade. Tiger will continue to work for years to come.

I'm not trying to be agumentative, I just think that all this moaning seems out of proportion!

MadDoc,

 

[WildPalms]

No, you're only forced into upgrading because your software is blown into obsolescence. If not by Apple by not providing bug/security fixes, then by 3rd party developers who stop supporting it.

So yeah, you can use Tiger or Panther or even god forbid Jaguar all you want, but you'll be missing out on all the applications. Especially because there's so many developer goodies in Leopard that are enticing reasons to drop support for previous OSs because Apple isn't willing to backport all of that to Tiger as well.

Sure doesn't sound forced to me.

Doesn't sound forced to me either.

 

[CalBoy]

No one is forcing you to upgrade. Tiger will continue to work for years to come.

I'm not trying to be agumentative, I just think that all this moaning seems out of proportion!

MadDoc,

No, you're only forced into upgrading because your software is blown into obsolescence. If not by Apple by not providing bug/security fixes, then by 3rd party developers who stop supporting it.

So yeah, you can use Tiger or Panther or even god forbid Jaguar all you want, but you'll be missing out on all the applications. Especially because there's so many developer goodies in Leopard that are enticing reasons to drop support for previous OSs because Apple isn't willing to backport all of that to Tiger as well.

Sure doesn't sound forced to me.

Thank you janey for the logical reasoning.

 

[thebassoonist]

it's our right to moan! ha ha. no, but i hear you. i got sick of the iphone whiners, too. prices go up and prices go down. at least there still is an educational discount on the os!

 

[janey]

Doesn't sound forced to me either.

Depends on how you look at it. Technically, it's not a forced upgrade, as in "update to Leopard or your computer will stop working at 12am October 27, 2007"* or "update to Leopard or I'm going to blow your brains out with this gun". But it is definitely forced obsolescence. I don't know what you think, but I'd rather not use operating systems no longer supported or updated by the software vendor. Not only is it a possibly major security issue, but also is a headache for developers to support.

And well, like I said, Leopard has so much dev candy that developers are announcing Leopard only versions of software already. I can't blame them, cause I love the new dev changes and I'd love to use them too, even if it meant even 10.4.10 can't be supported. And given how even the simplest of things can break Tiger support (e.g. opt-in garbage collection with objc 2.0), hey...why not ditch 10.4?

So it would mean that I either use the old OS and not use any of my apps, or that I use the new one and use the apps I want. For me the answer is simple. I'll upgrade to Leopard because of the apps. In fact, together with the accessibility improvements and the dev candy, those are the only three reasons why I'm even bothering! I just wonder what the average user who'll still be able to run Office 2k8 in Tiger will do..whether or not they will purchase the upgrade...shrug.


* On a sidenote, Boot Camp will be expiring soon. For people who purchased Intel Macs who are using Boot Camp, that's pretty much a forced upgrade

it's our right to moan! ha ha. no, but i hear you. i got sick of the iphone whiners, too. prices go up and prices go down. at least there still is an educational discount on the os!

Don't read it if you don't like it.

For all the work Apple has put into really promoting their products to college students (back to school iPod discount, hardware discounts, campus stuff, education events in stores and on campuses), this is a step backwards. Yeah, maybe I should be glad there's still an edu discount. But why should I bother if I can get Windows for free/almost free from school? Apple can't just offer a carrot and then only give you half of it. But that's what they're practically doing. So let the bitching commence. You can easily ignore it by not clicking on the links for these threads and reading them.

 

[suneohair]

I can't say it wasn't expected with the recent history of Apple and student discounts, in fact I think I called it somewhere on the forums a while back.

My uni may be selling it for $69, I will find out next week. If so I will be buying a few copies for sure.

For all those complaining, look into ADC. You get a nice hardware discount (on pro machines ~$500) and the current OS for $99. That is a pretty good deal.

 

[MadDoc]

... it is definitely forced obsolescence. I don't know what you think, but I'd rather not use operating systems no longer supported or updated by the software vendor.

Not one single 3rd-party has announced a Leopard-only product. Since when did Apple announce that they were dropping support or security updates for Tiger?

This is just baseless banter!

 

[Sbrocket]

First, I really haven't seen all that much complaining. More questions about the availability of the $69 price that anything.

Second...

Students can get Vista for $10.

I don't seem to see why everyone thinks that just because their university has a special licensing deal with Microsoft that EVERY university has one. You obviously haven't taken many classes in logic. Not only that, but you can be sure that if you're getting Vista for $10 on a whim then you're paying for it through some fee tacked onto your tuition.

 

[Luap]

Students can get Vista for $10.

And they are welcome to it. Lets face it, student or not, would you pay any more than that for it?

But yes, Students.. For crying out loud, Stop moaning and get on with your work! Its not like you NEED Leopard anyway. Its not going to boost your grades (Honestly, it isn't. I really dont care which way you twist it, it just isnt.). Besides, most of you tight gits will likely pirate it anyway and spend your hard groveled for loans & grants on cheap beer, massive bongs and goth face paint instead. I bet you even get discounts on blank DL DVD's, don't you! Oh the irony..
Pesky students are becoming more of a burden on society these days than a boon, and as such should be taxed more on quality produce like Leopard. In fact I believe there should be a special student edition of Leopard, which costs twice as much, and disables Bit torrent and other p2p type apps oh and YouTube. So they waste less time messing about and pirating stuff like there is no tomorrow, and finally do some damn WORK and be an asset to their country and make their parents proud!
Suck it up students! The party is over. Welcome to the big bad world where everyone pays. Or should anyway!

Im done

 

[panoz7]

Not one single 3rd-party has announced a Leopard-only product. Since when did Apple announce that they were dropping support or security updates for Tiger?

This is just baseless banter!

That's not true. There's a number of leopard only apps that make use of leopards new core technologies. An example would be the new version textmate.

I'm a student and I'm quite pissed off about the increased prices. I have all this expensive apple hardware because I'm a design student and it's required. At some point I'm going to be required by my school to upgrade to leopard in order to continue to get IT support. That probably won't be for a while but it will happen eventually.

I don't pirate any software or music. I've had design work stolen before and I know how much it sucks to have your copyright violated. That being said, I'm not most people, and I'm certainly not most college students. Most of my friends would have probably paid the $69 and upgraded legally... but for $40 more pirating is going to seem a lot more appealing.

Apple seems to be a little cocky recently. I will probably be an apple customer for life, but I'd sure appreciate the company treating me a little better in my time of need just like I've been helping them out the past few years when they weren't quite as strong. And yes, I know apple's a company and it's out there to make money, but do they really have to squeeze every penny out of their future customers?

But yes, Students.. For crying out loud, Stop moaning and get on with your work! Its not like you NEED Leopard anyway. Its not going to boost your grades (Honestly, it isn't. I really dont care which way you twist it, it just isnt.). Besides, most of you tight gits will likely pirate it anyway and spend your hard groveled for loans & grants on cheap beer, massive bongs and goth face paint instead. I bet you even get discounts on blank DL DVD's, don't you! Oh the irony..
Pesky students are becoming more of a burden on society these days than a boon, and as such should be taxed more on quality produce like Leopard. In fact I believe there should be a special student edition of Leopard, which costs twice as much, and disables Bit torrent and other p2p type apps oh and YouTube. So they waste less time messing about and pirating stuff like there is no tomorrow, and finally do some damn WORK and be an asset to their country and make their parents proud!
Suck it up students! The party is over. Welcome to the big bad world where everyone pays. Or should anyway!

Well... that's not insulting at all. Not all college students are like that and I'm certainly not. I will at some point NEED leopard just like I NEED a mac to continue in design. I have a feeling some of us (at least in my department) NEED a mac much more then you do.

 

[jbstew32]

First, I really haven't seen all that much complaining. More questions about the availability of the $69 price that anything.

Second...


I don't seem to see why everyone thinks that just because their university has a special licensing deal with Microsoft that EVERY university has one. You obviously haven't taken many classes in logic. Not only that, but you can be sure that if you're getting Vista for $10 on a whim then you're paying for it through some fee tacked onto your tuition.

most Microsoft products are freely downloadable for me through MSDNAA, but I must be enrolled in certain technical courses to get them. Take a look at this page: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/academic/bb250623.aspx

from what I see, it looks like the department pays a VERY low fee and is able to distribute the software to as many students and faculty as they want, so long as they meet certain criteria.

I don't expect Apple to give away their products, and I can't imagine how many man hours went into making Leopard...but if they want to keep their marketshare among college students on the rise, they'd better make a few changes.

Microsoft can afford to give their products to college students, because that gets them hooked early on and greatly increases the chance that they will be customers for life.


I agree with panoz7 completely.

 

[Luap]

Well... that's not insulting at all. Not all college students are like that and I'm certainly not. I will at some point NEED leopard just like I NEED a mac to continue in design. I have a feeling some of us (at least in my department) NEED a mac much more then you do.

It wouldnt be insulting if you left in my cheeky " " It was all said with much tongue in cheek.
Besides, you have no clue what I use my macs for (poking fun at students excepted). I need at least 1 of mine very much. Music production. No Mac, no income.

Maybe I should scrounge for some discount too. After all, I NEED Leopard! An E# diminished wont be the same without it

In all seriousness though.. We all use the Apple OS, and I think we should all pay the same, with no exceptions. So the fact you students get any discount at all isn't anything to moan about.

PS, I guess there was some truth in my remarks about students. But its mostly aimed at UK students, which are a lazy bunch of alcohol infested hooligans at the best of times (Sorry brits, but fess up, you know its true!)

PS II, Stop reading nerdy Mac forums when you should be studying.

 

[panoz7]

It wouldnt be insulting if you left in my cheeky " " It was all said with much tongue in cheek.
Besides, you have no clue what I use my macs for (poking fun at students excepted). I need at least 1 of mine very much. Music production. No Mac, no income.

My apologies... and I'm glad you have a sense of humor. I know mine's been lacking recently. I guess that was made entirely obvious by my reply. Sorry.

 

[atszyman]

I doubt it, If you wipe your harddrive, or whatever, by a new one. There is no OS X magically on it. You install the whole operating system.

Just because the disk has a complete stand-alone OS on it does not mean it is not an upgrade.

Even Microsoft Updates have a full OS on the CD, they just lock it so that you have to provide a license string, or verify that you have a CD for a prior "upgradeable" OS. The upgrade CDs do not use any information from the previous CD therefore the full OS is on the "upgrade CD" (this was very well shown in an office upgrade where when it asked for the prior CD to verify the upgradeability you could just point the CD at itself and it would install, the loophole has been fixed however).

Apple just doesn't bother to check that you have a prior OS since if it's a compatible computer it by definition had to have a version of Mac OS installed. Sure it might have been version 9.x and you may have wiped the hard drive and been running Linux for the past X years, but you still had a valid copy of the OS at some point, and are thus eligible for the upgrade.

 

[puckhead193]

me and my brother are both students, but we both have a desktop and a lappy, and also my rents computer so having a student discount is useless, plus i don't want to take a chance that apple will have some way of telling how many machines its been installed on.

 

[Luap]

My apologies... and I'm glad you have a sense of humor. I know mine's been lacking recently. I guess that was made entirely obvious by my reply. Sorry.

Awww, no problem

 

[None Such]

Post your school and your city and state and I will track down where you can buy it within driving distance or via mail order for $69.

Are you serious? I've always liked you.

University of Tennessee at Chattanooga

Chattanooga, Tennessee (that was a little redundant wasn't it)

 

[Cromulent]

PS, I guess there was some truth in my remarks about students. But its mostly aimed at UK students, which are a lazy bunch of alcohol infested hooligans at the best of times (Sorry brits, but fess up, you know its true!)

Your damn right . Apple should give me beer and kebab vouchers as well as a discount. I deserve free stuff. I do 15 hours of lectures a week, sleep 10 hours a day and watch dodgy films when I should be studying. Damn you Apple give me free stuff, I demand it!

 

[kwong2006]

Many university book stores are selling Leopard for $69 under their site agreements with Apple. Personally, I think $129 for Leopard is still better than a free copy of Vista.

I agree. However, we are still starving college students, and money is finite. It is not a crime to find the best bargains.

AND, this is a free nation, not the Soviet Union. I won't lie down and take it, and I am protesting by buying from the uni instead of from Apple.

Don't get me wrong, I love Apple, but I also love my wallet.