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Agreed, sadly there seems to be no way really to make it work with Mac and Windows and get 5k 120 using a KVM, so you have to unplug cables still. I wonder how much TB5 KVM's will cost too.
I don't have any illusions about not being able to get great resolution from my Windows laptop to an XDR (it won't be more than 4K 60hz and I'm preparing myself for 1080p 60hz honestly). Even my M1 Pro will only extend 5K 60hz, which I'm fine with, but it'll mean I'll be future proofed for my next MacBook Pro in a few years. For me, it's just more about having a great primary monitor with my Mac that I can also use with my remote work setup as well four days a week.

If I didn't have an M1 MacBook Pro that I do a ton of photo editing in with Lightroom, I wouldn't even remotely be considering the Studio Display XDR. The ultrawides by Dell and LG just haven't excited me because they are either matte displays (which I hate), low PPI or low brightness (sub 500 nits). I don't game on PC, so an OLED monitor doesn't really make a ton of sense. The Studio Display XDR gets you nearly to OLED with the specs of a productivity monitor, only at an enormous cost. Apple knows it has the only monitor with these specific specs which is why they will probably get away with this pricing. So if all of this means unplugging and plugging in a USB-C cable to go between Windows and Mac each time, I think I can live with that, outside of going the docking station route. But some way, somehow, it has to work with both, or else it'll be a massive waste of money.
 
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I have m3 ultra with a Pro Display XDR. Could I purchase a Studio Display xdr and run it at 5k 120hz along side my pro display xdr? I feel like that's doable.
 
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I’m using the cable matters USB-C switch and I’m able to switch between my Mac Studio and Windows PC. The caveat is that I’m not using thunderbolt.

So, it looks like this:

Mac Studio Thunderbolt —-> Caldigit TS4 -> DisplayPort/USB-A to USB-C Cable —-> Cable Matters USB-C Switch

Windows PC —-> DisplayPort/USB-A to USB-C Cable —-> Cable Matters USB-C Switch

With this I can press a button and switch between the two devices and it’s 5k 120hz with all features.

Very convoluted way of doing it, sadly I can’t do that as the USB A port and USB C port with DP are on opposites sides of the computer. Sounds too messy to me. but if it works with you using Thunderbolt 4 and 3 cables and switches, can the Sabrent TB4 KVM switch nit support the ac at 5K 120? Hmm I will look into it.
 
Very convoluted way of doing it, sadly I can’t do that as the USB A port and USB C port with DP are on opposites sides of the computer. Sounds too messy to me. but if it works with you using Thunderbolt 4 and 3 cables and switches, can the Sabrent TB4 KVM switch nit support the ac at 5K 120? Hmm I will look into it.
Yeah it is a bit convoluted, I already had the TS4 laying around and I didn’t have a way to convert the thunderbolt output to DisplayPort and USB.

I’ll bet the Sabrent works. I was looking for one and they were out of stock everywhere. Let me know if you get one and what your experience is.
 
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Some wall of text impressions of the XDR vs OLED:

I'm a programmer that's very picky about displays. I have near sightedness and an astigmatism corrected with contact lenses.

I've been using an LG 32GS95UE 32" OLED for the past 6 months. I LOVE the deep blacks and high refresh rate, and it has a very stunning picture. The problem is every single night after working on my OLED I would end the day with super fatigued and bloodshot eyes and I had a hard time even focusing on things, to the point that I wouldn't even be able to read subtitles on the TV or read a book. I tried everything to fix it including making it dimmer, disabling dithering, reducing refresh rate, reduced contrast, different office lighting, taking endless breaks, and nothing helped. Also the constant bother of doing things to avoid burn-in as a programmer is very inconvenient.

I have never had the same eye issues with my MacBook Pro 2023 screen, so I've been waiting for Apple to release something that was basically the MacBook Pro screen but larger. Refresh rate and black level are both very important to me so the regular Studio Display was out. I jumped on the XDR even though it is quite pricey for me. I know LG/MSI are releasing ones with possibly the same panel but at this point I straight don't trust them to make something great with it.

The XDR absolutely blows the OLED away in most ways for me. It's FAR crisper for text even when using scaling due to the higher PPI, glossy finish, and RGB pixel arrangement. The colors are better, the HDR is much more noticeable, and it's more pleasing in general to look at for hours. The viewing angles are great, and I see basically 0 IPS glow (I owned a few 4K IPS displays before the OLED and they were terrible for glow). The viewing angle color shift is a little worse on the vertical than the horizontal if that bothers you. The screen uniformity is basically perfect on mine, certainly compared to OLED. There is some slight vignetting, but nothing like the old iMac displays though.

I have also been streaming Resident Evil Requiem from my gaming PC to it and it's been great in that too. I will say it's a little silly that my gaming PC is right there and I can't find a good way yet to really connect it to the XDR when I want to play games, so I'm just using Moonlight streaming to play it through my Mac ha. Moonlight supports the 5K/120hz/HDR perfectly though and the motion is more than good enough for the games I play. I'm guessing hardcore multiplayer FPS gamers would be happier with the 240hz OLED though. To my eyes the motion looks far better than my MacBook Pro 2023 screen.

If blooming isn't an issue to you on the MacBook screen it won't be here, I would say it's very minimal. However I don't use my monitors with super bright settings, usually in the 45-55 range, so maybe it's worse if you'd running super bright video. I tested a bunch of HDR videos on YouTube and personally the minimal blooming is a fine compromise for all the benefits over OLED.

Best of all thus far my eyes aren't killing me after using it for hours, they would already be in massive pain on the OLED monitor.

The stand is awesome, I've never been a big fan of monitor arms. Note that it doesn't have rotation though, which is a big downside for me.

Also for anyone that can't get to an Apple Store to compare: I would say the nanotexture looked very sparkly/grainy on white content, and the blacks looked a little raised. It may just be the bright lighting in the Apple Store, but I don't think I'd go for that option unless you REALLY need it. It definitely makes the picture worse even though it's really good at reducing reflections. I decided to just get some black out curtains myself.
 
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Third time since yesterday 🔥😂🤯
Exact thing happened to me several times as well (macbook m2 pro). FYI it's really annoying because it restarts your computer as well.
Has anyone with this problem figured out any pattern that causes the crash, or at least some setting where it does work for now? I was also using adaptive 120hz.
Also adding that I tried plugged in my macbook m1 pro with the same cable and it doesn't even show up on the monitor. It's not on the latest OS but I don't think that should matter. I also tried booting my m2 pro into safe mode as they suggested and it still crashed, so it's not because of smth like Vivid running.

Support experience was pretty awful as well, website says return window is closed for some reason, and support put me on hold with no response twice on friday. Guess I'll have to try again tomorrow :/
 
^ update on the above, I just upgraded to latest OS and the display works on my m1 pro at least. Going to leave it running to see if it crashes
 
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I own a 2022 Studio Display and have been awaiting this refresh with the rumoured high-refresh option but was initially put off by the price of $4500 Canadian. However, I did pull the trigger yesterday after spending some time looking at it in an Apple Store. Sharing some first impressions, in no particular order:
  • I was initially uncertain about nano texture versus glossy. I leaned nano texture because 1) my workspace is fairly bright and 2) if my workspace moves in the future where I can't control glare much, it's not something I'd need to worry about with the nano texture display. However, after comparing both options in store, I did not like the look of the nano texture at all. Light colours were grainy and the whole picture looked as if the monitor was dirty. I immediately settled on the standard display option - the reduction in glare is not even close to worth the trade off in picture quality, in my opinion.
  • I feel some amount of regret in spending that amount of money. Not enough that I would return the display - it is a significant upgrade for me from the original Studio Display - but I do think the display is overpriced for what it is. That said, it's also the only display on the market that meets my personal criteria of being a native Retina resolution (5K) with 120Hz refresh and a design that looks like it fits in a professional workspace and not a gamer's den. I believe this display will continue to be close to the gold standard for years to come which makes the upfront cost worth it in the end.
  • It's an excellent IPS display, very comparable to the MacBook Pro. Colour is not quite as rich and vivid as an OLED, but some of that also likely comes down to targeting accuracy. HDR content looks fantastic and I'd be perfectly happy watching content on it versus my LG OLED TV. Viewing angles are typical for a good IPS panel and you can get fairly off-centre before colour begins to wash out, etc.
  • 120Hz is so, so nice on a larger display like this. My 2022 Studio Display is the last display I own that is limited to 60Hz and I notice it every time I start to use it. This is like butter in comparison.
  • I've seen some criticism about not reducing the size of the bezels, but I really don't think it's a big deal. They're not noticeable in use and I don't think they aesthetically hurt the display.
  • Unsurprisingly, the design of the Studio Display XDR is basically unchanged from the 2022 Studio Display, with the only exception I've seen being more ventilation holes along the top of the display. It also produces some heat you can feel if you put your hand overtop, but nothing too crazy or concerning.
  • I've also seen some complaints about fan noise - mine is virtually silent. If there is fan noise, I honestly can't hear it even in a very quiet space.
My old Studio Display has been relegated to being a second display for work - the funny thing is that now I've seen the XDR, the old Studio Display looks kind of bad in comparison.
 
First impression: I absolutely love mine.

I've been working on a Studio Display for the past 4 years and the difference in color depth and vibrancy is striking. Fully able to drive 120 Hz off a base model m4 MacBook Air. I did notice some ghosting when dragging windows around to test the frame rate, but I changed the frame rate from adaptive to a fixed 120 Hz and that appeared to mitigate the ghosting. HDR content is truly beautiful.

The speakers are quite good, but I use a set of external speakers so I'm not able to make a quality comparison to the Studio Display 1 baseline. Not a gamer so I can't speak to gaming on it.

Is it worth the price? Depends on your budget and your priorities. The original Studio Display was heavily mocked for its price back in 2022, but the people who used them daily all seemed to love them, myself included. 8 hours/day adds up to 2,000 hours/year staring at a screen, and I couldn't be happier that this display will be the one in front of me for the next 10,000 hours or so.
What did you do with the 2022 display? If you had them configured in a dual display setup, would the distinction be too distracting?
 
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If I'm pixel peeping I can see the blooming, but it's so minor that it's invisible to me unless I'm actively looking for it. It's about as good as you're going to get from a miniLED backlit panel, IMO. The only real improvement from here is moving to OLED.
 
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What does Apple's spec sheet say? There is your answer what you need
I find that the Apple spec sheets display support section is difficult to interpret.

This is what the display support section says about Mac Mini M4 pro:

Simultaneously supports up to three displays:
  • Up to three displays: Three displays with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz over Thunderbolt or HDMI
  • Up to two displays: One display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz over Thunderbolt and one display with up to 8K resolution at 60Hz or 4K resolution at 240Hz over Thunderbolt or HDMI
Thunderbolt 5 digital video output
  • Support for native DisplayPort 2.1 output over USB‑C
HDMI display video output
  • Support for one display with up to 8K resolution at 60Hz or 4K resolution at 240Hz (M4 and M4 Pro)
So unless I am reading it wrong it does not say that the Mac Mini M4 pro supports 5K 120Hz but I believe I read someone reporting that the base Mac Mini M4 is able to output 5K 120Hz to the XDR.

I know that the M4 and M4 pro are not on the 60 Hz exclude list in the Apple Studio Display XDR specification. But it seems to me like the Apple spec sheets are in need of an update to make it more clear.
 
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Yes, I think what's happened is that they've updated the spec sheets for the new products to specifically include the new ASD XDR, but the others haven't been.

The Mac mini M4 can output 120Hz to an XDR and 60Hz to another one daisy chained.
 
I find that the Apple spec sheets display support section is difficult to interpret.

This is what the display support section says about Mac Mini M4 pro:


So unless I am reading it wrong it does not say that the Mac Mini M4 pro supports 5K 120Hz but I believe I read someone reporting that the base Mac Mini M4 is able to output 5K 120Hz to the XDR.

I know that the M4 and M4 pro are not on the 60 Hz exclude list in the Apple Studio Display XDR specification. But it seems to me like the Apple spec sheets are in need of an update to make it more clear.
There is a different Apple support doc that lists all Mac mini display capabilities:
The wording in there is different, and seems more updated because it includes 5k120:

One external display​

Supports one external display in the following configuration:

  • One display up to a native resolution of 8K (7680 x 4320) at 60Hz, 5K (5120 x 2880) at 120Hz, or 4K (3840 x 2160) at 240Hz over Thunderbolt or HDMI

Two external displays​

Supports two external displays in the following configuration:

  • One display up to a native resolution of 8K (7680 x 4320) at 60Hz, 5K (5120 x 2880) at 120Hz, or 4K (3840 x 2160) at 240Hz and one display up to a native resolutions of 6K (6144 x 3456) at 60Hz or 4K (3840 x 2160) at 144Hz over Thunderbolt or HDMI

Three external displays​

Supports three external displays in the following configuration:

  • Three displays up to a native resolution of 6K (6144 x 3456) at 60Hz or 4K (3840 x 2160) at 144Hz over Thunderbolt or HDMI

To my understanding, it means, when connecting 2 XDRs, the 1st one can run a 5k120, but the 2nd one falls back to 5k60. When connecting 3 XDRs, none of them runs at 5k120, all fall back to 5k60.
 
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To my understanding, it means, when connecting 2 XDRs, the 1st one can run a 5k120, but the 2nd one falls back to 5k60. When connecting 3 XDRs, none of them runs at 5k120, all fall back to 5k60.
I think while that is possible it is hard to force the 5k120hz monitors into 60hz mode as just changing it in display settings is not enough, so a lot of people seem to be connecting the 60hz ones first, using slower cables, using older docks or doing kvm tricks in the monitors OSD.
 
I think while that is possible it is hard to force the 5k120hz monitors into 60hz mode as just changing it in display settings is not enough, so a lot of people seem to be connecting the 60hz ones first, using slower cables, using older docks or doing kvm tricks in the monitors OSD.
It is just an after effect due to Apple's approach to simplicity. It will be much better handled using something like Better Display Pro, I guess.

Btw, Apple's support doc of the displays for MBPs, it has many footnotes saying "Connect the display with the highest resolution first.", which isn't even accurate, since 6k60 is higher res than 5k120, or in the case of the Studio Displays, they are all the same res at 5k. What should have been said is "higher bandwidth first", but Apple thinks that just confuses users even more so they don't say it. Even in this thread we have people thinking support of 6k60 must entail support of 5k120.

 
I'm a programmer that's very picky about displays. I have near sightedness and an astigmatism corrected with contact lenses.

I'm curious what you think about pure whites or even light backgrounds (like the MacRumors light blue footer on this forum)... does yours look splotchy at all? Not sure exactly how to describe it.

Other things I'm noticing:

- Quite a shift in brightness at off-centre viewing angles
- Quite a bit of what I think is "vignetting" at edges? If I bring a pure white window to the edges of the screen, it looks like there's a shadow on the inside.
 
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See Chancha's response. He linked the correct spec sheet where its more clear

I find that the Apple spec sheets display support section is difficult to interpret.

This is what the display support section says about Mac Mini M4 pro:


So unless I am reading it wrong it does not say that the Mac Mini M4 pro supports 5K 120Hz but I believe I read someone reporting that the base Mac Mini M4 is able to output 5K 120Hz to the XDR.

I know that the M4 and M4 pro are not on the 60 Hz exclude list in the Apple Studio Display XDR specification. But it seems to me like the Apple spec sheets are in need of an update to make it more clear.
 
Twinkle Tray works for the old ASD, connected to Nvidia card with Displayport and USBC pigtail cable. Haven't used XDR on my Windows machine.
 
I'm curious what you think about pure whites or even light backgrounds (like the MacRumors light blue footer on this forum)... does yours look splotchy at all? Not sure exactly how to describe it.

Other things I'm noticing:

- Quite a shift in brightness at off-centre viewing angles
- Quite a bit of what I think is "vignetting" at edges? If I bring a pure white window to the edges of the screen, it looks like there's a shadow on the inside.
Hmm can you take a picture of it? I don't see anything I would call splotchy on white or the blue footer, they look very pure and uniform to me. Granted I am used to matte OLED which is like looking through a slightly dirty pane of glass lol.

I kind of think all of Apple's Mini LED displays have vignetting, my 2021 iPad Pro and MacBook Pro 2023 both have it to varying degrees.
 
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Hmm can you take a picture of it? I don't see anything I would call splotchy on white or the blue footer, they look very pure and uniform to me. Granted I am used to matte OLED which is like looking through a slightly dirty pane of glass lol.

I kind of think all of Apple's Mini LED displays have vignetting, my 2021 iPad Pro and MacBook Pro 2023 both have it to varying degrees.

I also don't see anything of note on pure white or the blue footer, my display is very uniform. I'd also be curious to know if it gets better if brightness was decreased some.
 
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