Supernatural or Other Easily Explainable Phenomena?

[Huntn]

Huntn

It will need a good Hollywood producer to produce video effects like on the first clip posted last week.

After watching the second video I’m not so quick to agree. However, I find this first video to be interesting because it looks to include a lot of security video, which I think would be harder to fake, but still could be faked:

But because I have skepticism, the following is very educational for debunking and takes away the magic and illustrates just how easy it can be to fake this kind of activity. The finished video starts at 11:30 in and it looks no different that the kitchen video you posted.

Don’t get me wrong, I am opened minded to the paranormal, but approach it in a measured way, especially these days with technology as it is.

 

[Huntn]

To me, the first video looks completely fake in the sense that nothing that moves does so in a way that seems to be flung by someone, if that makes sense. It all looks (to me) rigged, we just don't see the wires.

The second video, the "ghostly" figure reminds me of Saturday morning cartoons were I think they would have the animated character, on transparent frames, move over a static background.

I'm not saying I don't believe unexplained things don't happen, but these two examples certainly wouldn't be my starting point to try and convince someone

See post 126, the second video shows how it can easily be faked, no Hollywood Production required.

 

[Number-Six]

See post 126, the second video shows how it can easily be faked, no Hollywood Production required.

Yeah these days I doubt you need big budgets to create believable effects.

You can probably do it from a phone too now.

 

[Healer Flame]

To me, the first video looks completely fake in the sense that nothing that moves does so in a way that seems to be flung by someone, if that makes sense. It all looks (to me) rigged, we just don't see the wires.

The second video, the "ghostly" figure reminds me of Saturday morning cartoons were I think they would have the animated character, on transparent frames, move over a static background.

I'm not saying I don't believe unexplained things don't happen, but these two examples certainly wouldn't be my starting point to try and convince someone

I swear on my manhood exactly same thing happened to my far relatives so they had to evacuate the house.
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[doublepost=1564668638][/doublepost]That video was BIG BIG news in Russia , it was covered everywhere. Don't tell me the dogs acting too
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[Huntn]

I swear on my manhood exactly same thing happened to my far relatives so they had to evacuate the house.
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[doublepost=1564668638][/doublepost]That video was BIG BIG news in Russia , it was covered everywhere. Don't tell me the dogs acting too
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I am open minded about these kinds of stories as evident by this thread, but there is still a leap required to achieve belief.

 

[Huntn]

Good read, with the caveat that this is a published story:

I Didn't Know If I Believed In The Afterlife. Then My Dead Father Sent Me A Message.​

I Didn't Know If I Believed In The Afterlife. Then My Dead Father Sent Me A Message.

"Did your dad pass recently, Noah?” the medium asked. “I think this is him and he has a message. Do you want to hear it?”

www.huffpost.com

 

[VulchR]

Good read, with the caveat that this is a published story:

I Didn't Know If I Believed In The Afterlife. Then My Dead Father Sent Me A Message.​

I Didn't Know If I Believed In The Afterlife. Then My Dead Father Sent Me A Message.

"Did your dad pass recently, Noah?” the medium asked. “I think this is him and he has a message. Do you want to hear it?”

www.huffpost.com

Sorry but the sceptic in me (I am a scientist after all) has a lot of questions about this story. First, why would those in an afterlife have to resort to using mediums, particularly ones that charge money for the purpose? Second, suppose you were a bona fide medium. Would you charge money for connecting relatives? Wouldn't you do it for free (or perhaps for charity)? Why in the story does the medium use 'Ruth' rather than the name the father actually used for his wife ('Ruthie'). All of the information about past relatives could be available from sources like ancestry.com (when my family started looking at our ancestry we were surprised just how much others had filled in the blanks before us). Remember the medium had an appointment with the reporter, so knew the reporter's name, and therefore possibly their details, before the reporter arrived. Finally there is the statement the medium made about the ties. I must admit that seems hard to explain, but it might be possible that the wife said something about keeping ties when she donated her dead husband's clothes. That's stretching it, but if the medium is a fraud and charges hundreds for a session, then it is a business that would be worth investing in, and possibly hiring a PI to investigate potential targets.

FWIW it is worth pointing out that the existence of fraudulent 'mediums' does not preclude the existence of genuine ones. Still I am sceptical of the very concept of a 'medium', and why they would charge money for what they do.

 

[Huntn]

Sorry but the sceptic in me (I am a scientist after all) has a lot of questions about this story. First, why would those in an afterlife have to resort to using mediums, particularly ones that charge money for the purpose? Second, suppose you were a bona fide medium. Would you charge money for connecting relatives? Wouldn't you do it for free (or perhaps for charity)? Why in the story does the medium use 'Ruth' rather than the name the father actually used for his wife ('Ruthie'). All of the information about past relatives could be available from sources like ancestry.com (when my family started looking at our ancestry we were surprised just how much others had filled in the blanks before us). Remember the medium had an appointment with the reporter, so knew the reporter's name, and therefore possibly their details, before the reporter arrived. Finally there is the statement the medium made about the ties. I must admit that seems hard to explain, but it might be possible that the wife said something about keeping ties when she donated her dead husband's clothes. That's stretching it, but if the medium is a fraud and charges hundreds for a session, then it is a business that would be worth investing in, and possibly hiring a PI to investigate potential targets.

FWIW it is worth pointing out that the existence of fraudulent 'mediums' does not preclude the existence of genuine ones. Still I am sceptical of the very concept of a 'medium', and why they would charge money for what they do.

My response:

• This is a story published in the media so we are completely at the mercy of the author’s honesty who states he has been a sceptic all his life. That and a dollar get’s you a cup of coffee.
• That said, in this particular encounter with the medium was for an interview, not a reading, zero info provided, yet this medium was hitting home runs producing specifically accurate and obscure knowledge of the reporter‘s family.
• As a reader, you can simply say that’s possible or I reject this story. ?

 

[Healer Flame]

Been looking for this thread for ages i thought it was deleted or something...

 

[Healer Flame]

Few Questions about this video , are all these people acting looking at the UFO?
Notice how the air force jets also patrolling the area.

 

[Huntn]

Few Questions about this video , are all these people acting looking at the UFO?
Notice how the air force jets also patrolling the area.

The end of the this made me laugh, so I’d assume some CGI going on there.

 

[Healer Flame]

The end of the this made me laugh, so I’d assume some CGI going on there.

Pentagon stated the video footage(below) of US air force is not fake and they are serious about it for the first time. So some of the videos on youtube are very real.

 

[Huntn]

Pentagon stated the video footage(below) of US air force is not fake and they are serious about it for the first time. So some of the videos on youtube are very real.

I flew airplanes for 50 years but never got the pleasure, and I wanted to. But these are the knd of videos I love,

 

[AJK13K]

I have had one glitch-in-the-Matrix moment that comes to mind. A few years ago, I was sitting at my desk at work. Behind me there was a large window sill with only one thing on it, like a little bowl or something. I was holding a pen and put it down on the window sill and turned my back to it for a second. I looked back, and it was gone. Seriously. Gone. I even laughed to myself that I knew it was supposed to be there and studied the window sill for a moment. I shrugged, and turned back to my desk. A moment after that I looked at it was there again.

I don't know if it was God, a ghost, Morpheus or Keebler elves. Don't really care. Just thought it was funny and weird.

I did have an odd thing happen, at least inside my own brain, this past Sunday. I went to a convenience store and then to my sister's house. At my sister's house I realized my wallet wasn't in my back pocket. I thought through my morning. I remembered, vividly, walking into the convenience store and sticking my right hand in my pocket and finding two one dollar bills (from wearing the pants the day before). Wanting to keep my bills together, I pulled out my wallet, and put them in there.

So, after spending time with my sister, I drove back to the convenience store to see if I'd left it on the counter. I retraced my steps, talked to the people, but nothing. Drove home. In my house I kept thinking about it. I stuck my right hand in my pocket again. There were the two one dollar bills. I then walked back to the bathroom and found my wallet where I'd left it the night before.

What I realized was that when I was originally at the convenience store, I'd reached for my wallet but having not found it, I put the cash back in the pocket. I did all of this in a rush so I wasn't really thinking about it.

The point of that very boring story was that my mind fully manufactured a memory of something that never happened - putting cash in my wallet while walking into the convenience store.

Again, I don't know what to chalk it up to. Probably most simply explained as Sunday morning a hangover.

We’re you boozing it up the night before?