While I really like that idea, it is still not as versatile as the Touch Bar...I appreciate the idea as opposed to the typical “useless Touch Bar” comment.
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While I really like that idea, it is still not as versatile as the Touch Bar...I appreciate the idea as opposed to the typical “useless Touch Bar” comment.
SO we likely wont see a new 13" this year right?"And next year, hopefully, we are going to get a 14 inch MacBook Pro as well as a predecessor for the 13 inch."
Is that like a Star Wars *prequel*?!
Or, a hope they bring back the iBook G4 or Powerbook G3?!
Sorry, couldn't resist! Between auto-correct zaniness and how easy it is to substitute the wrong word, such things happen. Mrs. Malaprop would approve!
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Ummm..... no. That’s not what I said at all. I said 2nd gen products are usually much improved over 1st gen (often in different and various ways), which would increase longevity.
Did you mean to reply to someone else? I specifically stated that to ME the 1st gen issue is NOT potential manufacturing defects... it’s the significant improvements coming with gen 2/3. Maybe you/others associate 1st gen with reliability concerns, but not me. iPhone 1, Apple Watch 1, iPad 1.... to me were manufactured fine, but they all were MUCH more quickly obsoleted than their immediate successors. 2nd iPhone got 3G/GPS, 2nd iPad was much faster/thinner, 2nd Apple Watch was much faster/GPS. Pretty big shifts IMO
Right exactly.
There was a big thread about it on here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...d-mac-notebooks-in-eurasian-database.2185723/
They did more than “gave input” - that team actually designed the whole thing. All Jony contributed was a difficult to manufacture grate system.
This means that this Pro laptop will start out at a premium, but the the tech, design language and functionality will trickle down to the consumer models within 1-2 years. Which is fine.
(rolls eyes)
The current touchbar is a functional compromise to that - what you want would raise the price of the machine by at least another $700, and then you’d be complaining how expensive it is.
This is an idiotic post, since you're speaking completely out of ignorance--you have no idea what my reaction would be to any particular price increase. Nor, I suspect, do you have any idea what the difference in cost would be.
You said:
Which I interpreted as reliability concerns in addition to the gen 2 improvements. I see now that you are solely focused on Gen 2/3 improvements which I agree are often significant refinements and improvements.
Keyboards with OLED key apps have been developed previously, most specifically by Art Lebedev studios...
https://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/maximus/
These had oversized keys, and looked terrible, and cost over $2,000 (the ‘cheaper’ and smaller one only cost over $1,000).
https://www.tested.com/tech/accesso...e-of-art-lebedevs-optimus-popularis-keyboard/
Combine that with Apple’s engineering costs and how they price added features, and $750 is probably conservative. The Touchbar adds $300 to the price of hardware, and somehow you think a mechanical tour de force of miniaturizing OLED to fit into smaller function keys AND make them durable enough to withstand daily usage would be less (or just as) expensive than the Touchbar?
(smiles).
As to what your reaction would be to significantly higher prices on a MacBook Pro ... well, I guess that’s up to you, and your history.
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As with your previous post, you're just continuing to troll me. I clearly never made any statement about what a set of OLED function keys might cost. I only said I suspected you didn't know that info.
And it of course makes no sense to use the cost of the Lebedev keyboard, since that was introduced over a decade ago (when OLED technology was much more expensive) and, additionally, was produced without any significant economies of scale. Indeed, the fact that you used the Lebedev supports my suspicion that you don't know how to rationally price out such a feature (in this particular case I don't have the info. needed to do that either, but at least I'm aware I don't have it). An experienced industry analyst, with specialization touching on this particular area, should be able to do it.
My position is only that it would be a nice feature to have, since it combines (at least to my mind) the best attributes of both the old function keys (physicality) and the touch bar (programmable faces). I'll leave it to Apple to determine whether it is possible in practice. No idea why such an innocuous idea has gotten you so ruffled that you decided you needed to troll me in the first place.
Further, OLED is obviously just a detail; it should be implicitly understood, without having to spell it out, that whether it's done with OLED or LCD isn't what's important, the final functionality is. And programmable LCD keypads (like the Elgato) retail for ~$100. And please don't get yourself confused and complain the Elgato is crude compared to what Apple would want -- while true, that entirely misses the point.
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I knew someone would say that
Maybe Apple will be innovative and put IR camera behind the display. /s
Face ID people be dogging on Touch ID than proceeds to use Touch ID on their Mac
I knew someone would say that
Maybe Apple will be innovative and put IR camera behind the display. /s
Face ID people be dogging on Touch ID than proceeds to use Touch ID on their Mac
They’re not gonna put a regular camera, infrared camera, dot projector and flood illuminator all behind the display.
They’ll leave enough of a bezel, add a notch, or simply stick to Touch ID.
Good, as it should be. FaceID was, and continues to be, an expensive compromise to cover up the consequences of a rush to market, and the dominoes of a mistake. Once they get the under-glass fingerprint sonic fingerprint sensors worked out, and adopt the Sony depth-camera in 2020, FaceID will slowly be relegated to the shelf. It’ll continue to be provided (the Sony camera provides it, better and with less resource overhead) for the critically important memojis - but it will work in conjunction with TouchID (and hopefully can be disabled separately)
ROTFLOL!
Well played.
it’s fascinating how polarizing FaceID (as well as the removal of the Home button) have been - that alone should be a reason for Apple to undo both of these mistakes.Face ID people be dogging on Touch ID than proceeds to use Touch ID on their Mac
For the guys wondering why Apple would update their laptops twice in one year, I think it simple comes down to Intels 10nm process finally being ready. Further proof of this is that Intel has begun shipping Ice Lake to OEMs with an expected release in the 4th quarter (October).
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1467...cial-shipments-of-10-nm-ice-lake-cpus-to-oems
With better clock speeds, much better graphics and hopefully much better battery life I don't think Apple can hold off on 10nm while other laptop makers take advantage of the improvements.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1467...cial-shipments-of-10-nm-ice-lake-cpus-to-oems
With better clock speeds, much better graphics and hopefully much better battery life I don't think Apple can hold off on 10nm while other laptop makers take advantage of the improvements.
Yes, but Ice Lake probably won't be available for 45W parts (and almost certainly not this year). It's possible that they'll move some 13-inch MacBook Pros to Ice Lake, but for the 15-inch/16-inch, that doesn't currently make sense.
Can someone please help with this? I just bought the 1799 13” model, but I don’t know if should return it and wait until a new one in October (if that even happens). The main thing is that I will not spend anything over the 1799 I paid for this one, so I’m wondering, if there is a new 13”, will it have some ridiculous price point (say 2,000+)?
Apple updating a model twice within three months is rare (but not unprecedented — there was the October 2005 iMac G5 with iSight followed by the January 2006 Intel iMac), so since they've updated them just a few weeks ago, we probably won't see another update until spring, if not later.
There are rarely pricing rumors, because that's something Apple marketing can decide internally at the last minute. (Unlike components, which need significant lead time and coordination with suppliers.) So nobody can help you on that, sorry.
There are rarely pricing rumors, because that's something Apple marketing can decide internally at the last minute. (Unlike components, which need significant lead time and coordination with suppliers.) So nobody can help you on that, sorry.[/QUOTE]
That’s a bummer, but I think I’ll just stay with mine now. I forgot to mention that with the addition of the limited-time $100 student discount and free headphones, it’s probably a better deal for me. Especially if the potential new one is set a premium price point
That’s a bummer, but I think I’ll just stay with mine now. I forgot to mention that with the addition of the limited-time $100 student discount and free headphones, it’s probably a better deal for me. Especially if the potential new one is set a premium price point
