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I want to see it, before I believe it. Don't think it will happen. Most rumors on this site never happens. Just like the rumor how the iPhone 6 would look, the iPad Pro that would come or the pink thing. It never happens... Oh wait :-O

If it does I'll go Asus Zenfone 2. Only phone with enough RAM, not to reload every time you use multitasking.

And then after a week, I'll come crawling back and buy an iPhone :)
 
maybe in 2-3 years...but this is a little different. It's removing a jack, not replacing it with something different. I highly doubt there is going to dual lightning connectors.
They are replacing it with lighting connector........
 
the only technology that I wish Apple got rid of is a regular hard drive, and yet it does not look like that will happen any time soon, instead they will remove a perfectly good and acceptable 3.5mm headphone jack. it is just plain greed to offer regular HDDs in their mac mini's and imac (most builds). I do not care about having super fast flash based storage on a basic mac, and that feature should be perhaps reserved for higher trims, but a standard sata3 SSD drive should be standard in a place of a regular spinner on the basic trims.
 
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Sorry no. Most Everyone that goes to the gym, walks , runs , college, school etc etc needs it. Bt headphones are still it there and I have owned several since they first started.

As long as they include for free an adapter then I'm good.

Knowing apple they will not include it and will not include any headphones moving fwd saving themselves even more money and pushing only the beats as their apple headphones.

I can see them charging $19-29 for the adapter.

No, the free adapter is not sufficient. I've been there, done that with my old Windows Mobile phone. You never, never, ever happen to have the adapter with you when you need it. It must be a physical law or something, but there was never a case when I wanted to listed and had the adapter! I won't re-live those days. With the end of the phone subsidy on my plan, I now have two reasons to avoid upgrading (if this rumor is true).
 
Remember when everyone complained about the Lightning Connector? Now everyone loves it.

I'm sure no one will miss the 3.5mm headphone jack in 2-3 years.
Oh please. It’s not the idea of lightning that people love. It’s that the connector is reversible.
People do not like proprietary.
A micro USBC/3 of some sort would have been the way to go but the money grabbing sods at Apple have to be different.

Put a low profile connector of recognised standard on it and bingo! Apple might not be, but the consumers will sure as **** be happy.
 
I don't know if I'm the only one, but at this point I feel like I like when apple does bad decisions just to see what will be people's reactions.

Yes. Like floppy disks, ADB (Apple Desktop Bus), SCSI, DVI, NuBus, PowerPC, CDs, corded mice and keyboards, and on and on.
 
Until Sony makes lightning in ear buds, I'll be pissed.

Does the idea of taking a free/included adapter & attaching it to your precious Sony earbuds, then forgetting it's even there REALLY get you that "pissed"????

#firstworldproblems
#calmdownffs
#imworriedaboutyourbloodpressure
 
This is one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" deals, but I think if they really go forward with removing the headphone jack it's a step in the direction of Apple implementing some form of wireless charging as well.
 
Most of the sound systems i come into contact with either still have 30pin connecters (because people don't want to spend the cost of upgrading just for lightning) or have to rely on the industry standard 3.5mm jack.

Also removing the jack to make space is the opposite of innovation. Its "instead of being super cool with our other stuff we'll just throw this out because its annoying"

Does the idea of taking a free/included adapter & attaching it to your precious Sony earbuds, then forgetting it's even there REALLY get you that "pissed"????

When have apple ever provided a free adapter for anything? There was no free 30-pin to lightning adapter! (Not to mention the risk of snapping an adapter while its in the phone)
 
People also complained when Apple removed the optical disk drive. I sure don't miss mine...

Look to the future people.
There's nothing like putting a cd in someones hand so they can play their song now!
If the internet is down or not working or available your music/file transfer is not happening.
 
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Meh, that's advancement, I suppose.

It will only have a minor impact on me. I use a stand at work and the Bose plug into that. My headphones at home are wireless so no change there either (besides they are never paired to the iPhone anyway). I only use earbuds with the iPhone when mowing the lawn, so I'll have to buy an adapter or just use the buds included with the phone.
 
the only technology that I wish Apple got rid of is a regular hard drive, and yet it does not look like that will happen any time soon, instead they will remove a perfectly good and acceptable 3.5mm headphone jack. it is just plain greed to offer regular HDDs in their mac mini's and imac (most builds). I do not care about having super fast flash based storage on a basic mac, and that feature should be perhaps reserved for higher trims, but a standard sata3 SSD drive should be standard in a place of a regular spinner on the basic trims.
ITs all about the money!
cheaper to remove the cd burner, cheaper to put in crappy hard drives...wonder why macs are declining in sales
 
I remember the 3rd generation iPod Shuffle that had no buttons on the device, only on the headphones. That design didn't last long. I'm going to wait and see on this one.
 
How do you know they'd be removing it to make it thinner, maybe they just want to remove a huge ass port with lots of attached electronics, the only analog part that remains.
I don't but since apple has an obsession with thinness, you can call it an educated guess ;)
 
Still makes no sense. How does this make Apple more money? The only way for them to make more money would be to not include an adapter in the box and sell it for $29.99 or whatever which believe me would piss A LOT of people off. This definitely is a risky move that could negatively impact iPhone sales. IF this rumor is true I doubt the decision was taken lightly.
Pissing off people is irrelevant if it doesn't impact the financial bottom line. The jokes about a $30 adapter were not created out of thin air but as a result of Apple's history. Has Apple ever taken a move that negatively impacted iPhone sales? Even when the only iPhones offered were phablets, people purchased iPhones in record numbers (knowing that they were not offering a comparable option for those who didn't want a phablet). People are so attached to their iPhones that they are willing to modify their purchasing habits to frequent stores that support Apple Pay over those that don't.

Apple knows this.
 
Extra income for Apple this year and the years to come, fraying headphones cables. Those lightning cable for some reason is not holding up really good. I still have my original iphone 30 pin and ipod nano cable and still in good shape. Since the lighning cable there's some kind of pressure pulling down towards the connector causing the self destruct. Third party manufacturers actually advertise their products resistant to such problem. So the problem do exist.
 
Are we going to get the same problem as with the new MacBook? Impossible to charge and use the device at the same time? So, we're going to have to buy a $90 add-on to do that. I'd rather have 0.1mm more thickness.
 
Remember when everyone complained about the Lightning Connector? Now everyone loves it.

I'm sure no one will miss the 3.5mm headphone jack in 2-3 years.

This is a very different situation. In one case they ended their own connector and replaced it with another version of their own connector. In this case they are ending an industry standard and replacing it with their own connector which together with their own headphones brand can even lead to antitrust suits in the EU.
 
Oh please. It’s not the idea of lightning that people love. It’s that the connector is reversible.
People do not like proprietary.
A micro USBC/3 of some sort would have been the way to go but the money grabbing sods at Apple have to be different.

Put a low profile connector of recognised standard on it and bingo! Apple might not be, but the consumers will sure as **** be happy.

USB-C wasn't around in 2012 when Apple released the Lightning port. Eventually Apple will adopt USB-C for the iPhone, but you can bet that when they do, people with Lightning accessories will complain. Heck, people still complain about the MacBook, though lots more USB-C accessories are coming out this year.

It's time for wireless headphones to improve and become mainstream. For the past 18 years or so, Apple has had the legitimacy to force the market to move by dropping support for aging legacy technology.
 
Many many many points to address on your reply....
It's not just widely used. It's the best way to transport audio.

By what standard? If they go Lightning, having a wireless digital signal in the cable and doing the DAC in the earpods seems perfectly reasonable to me, should have less harmonic distortions and better bandwith. If they go Bluetooth, same could apply, depending on how it's implemented. The main argument against Bluetooth seems to be the thought of having to charge them every day, but as long as no info about battery life or charge times are given that argument may or may not apply. If they bring Bluetooth earpods that can be charged on the iPhone's lignting port, the hassle is minimal.

Outside the Apple community, nobody cares about the Apple Watch. I'd rather a fad not dictate the future of how I listen to audio.
Granted. But going wireless with audio makes sense for plenty of reasons, of which the Watch is just one example. I for one never enjoyed having to pull my earphone cables through my shirt to get to the phone in my pocket, I know a guy who runs with his phone around his ankle using bluetooth for audio, ... if we want to build towards a future of wearable computing, cables are not the way to go. If Bluetooth isn't good enough to replace a 30-year old standard, it makes sense to improve Bluetooth until it is.

For me it feels a bit like WiFi vs. Ethernet all over again, and I think once the wireless standard is good enough people will easily flock to it and only fall back on the wired alternative occasionally or in fixed settings.


Nobody really cares about a thinner iPhone.
Agreed. But if Bluetooth works as I hope it will, I don't consider the audio jack important enough as the sole reason to make the phone thicker (battery life on the other hand...)

It's all about the money people!!! :( I wish people weren't so blind to this but sadly most are.
If you believe Apple will change this design for the sole purpose of making money from the adapter sales, I think you're significantly overestimating how much total money they make on the adapters. Those things carry a great gross margin per piece but that money still pales in comparison to what they get on the iPhone sales. Plus they want to get as many people into their ecosystem now that there are still people left who aren't yet fully locked into either Apple or Google. The whole idea about razorblade pricing is to have a good razor and price it low, then price the blades high. Having a crippled high-priced razor and also high-priced blades doesn't work. If Apple honestly believed that this move crippled the device from a long-term point of view, they wouldn't do it. It's just that they have this ruthless attitude about "skate where the puck is going", and the adapters are a temporary stop-gap.


One thing is for sure. I'm positive Apple will be under scrutiny from the EU commission which this propriety change. It's one of the few EU things I think is great for the consumer.
Good that we end the post with something we both very much agree on! The EU is great for the consumer, and it's a shame so many people don't realize how much good it's done because of propaganda by local politicians. As to whether they will step in here -> I think it depends. If Apple forces everyone to buy lightning headphones, the EU might complain. If they push towards Bluetooth, which is an open standard and plenty of headphones already on the market, I think the EU will stay away.

Seperately, I wish the EU would start intervening in the whole "locked ecosystem" thing that both Apple and Google have really been playing up for the past 2 years. There's a great article on Ars Technica about this ( http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...g-forward-in-identical-yet-incompatible-ways/ ). I think that after a certain period of innovation, there should come a legal mandate to make devices more interoperable (e.g. why can't I stream my wife's Samsung Galaxy to my AppleTV?). Same argument in cloud services, if I have my entire photo library in iCloud it becomes very difficult for me to switch to another provider - the EU could mandate easier transitions like they did with e.g. banks and electricity providers.
 
They need to fix Bluetooth headphones first.

The lightning cable to headphone jack will be just as bad as well.

Listening to music is fine with Bluetooth headphones - but try watching a video. It goes out sync because Bluetooth sound on iOS uses AirPlay technology, which adds a delay. The Lightning adaptor will most likely have the same delay. I'm glad I got the 6s so I can skip the 7 if they do this, it will be a horrible experience to begin with, hopefully they are prepared to fix it in time for the 7s.
 
One of my biggest concerns is the fact that my lightning charger wires are always getting damaged. If I happen to twist the wires a little too much I need to replace them. I've never had to replace the old chargers or wires (to the point that I still have 4-5 years older chargers, but none of my lightning chargers are more than a few months old).

I hope this issue is specific to the charger, and not to the lightning cables themselves, because headphones are gonna lead to far more twisting of wires.
 
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