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the hidden pen recharge compartment is brilliant!
and windows surface just promoted the most sustainable-ities evah!
The new Surface Pro 8 is looking impressive - nice processor, huge GPU bump and a 16 hour battery - looks really tempting.
Apple, and others all throw out those marketing buzz words like sustainable, and recycling, etc etc
along with Mojave OSX!
that hidden recharge pen on the surface pro is a great selling tool
i missed if that was available on the “go” device.
The surface duo - when it was first announced I was impressed and dare I say tempted, but this one, while it looks really nice (for the most part) has that really ugly camera hump - not usually a bad thing on most phones as we've come to expect it, but for a folding dual screen phone the camera will bump right up against the back
Okay the Surface Book with the Studio thing is cool.
I love the look of that Laptop Studio, looks like it could be very useful!
Agreed. Surface Laptop Studio is a pretty impressive piece of hardware. I’m not a Windows guy in the slightest but I’m genuinely impressed.. so far.
My son is starting to study engineering, would like a Windows laptop and depending on price, this will likely be on the short list.
How on earth did they get such a thin screen and that hinge into that new Surface Studio laptop? Colour me very impressed. Very cool design, some serious engineering in there for sure.
But what happened to the Surface Studio desktop? It seems to have been ignored and this new Studio laptop seems to have superseded it?
But what happened to the Surface Studio desktop? It seems to have been ignored and this new Studio laptop seems to have superseded it?
Hmmm, first thoughts. A Surface Pro 8 might be more my speed than the Surface Laptop Studio (again, the internals and I shudder to think about the price point for the SLS.).
Another plus for the Pro, I really like that MS has put several heat pipes into the SP8. Given my craptastic experiences with overheating and the resulting crashes and inoperative touch on all iPads I've tried, this is very welcome. Ditto the pen changes and latency, ticking off so many boxes that hobby artist me wants and needs.
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Microsoft presentations were freaking awful (outside of the much needed accessibility section). I wish they let the artist do more with the pen, but it's a good start.
I laughed out loud at the C.G.I. hummingbird and component footage used to promote the SLS. Definitely taking pages from Apple.
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Still, some great hardware announced and I'm very eager to try the new Pen etc. Damn (watching the Verge review of the SLS)...I hope the pen is better than Dieter mentioned (granted he hasn't run the pen through a real test.)
Another plus for the Pro, I really like that MS has put several heat pipes into the SP8. Given my craptastic experiences with overheating and the resulting crashes and inoperative touch on all iPads I've tried, this is very welcome. Ditto the pen changes and latency, ticking off so many boxes that hobby artist me wants and needs.
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Microsoft presentations were freaking awful (outside of the much needed accessibility section). I wish they let the artist do more with the pen, but it's a good start.
I laughed out loud at the C.G.I. hummingbird and component footage used to promote the SLS. Definitely taking pages from Apple.
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Still, some great hardware announced and I'm very eager to try the new Pen etc. Damn (watching the Verge review of the SLS)...I hope the pen is better than Dieter mentioned (granted he hasn't run the pen through a real test.)
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seems to me one need nimble fingers to swipe such a small panel
or a lot of experience.
they should do these presentations live to see them screw up like us humans.
mark Hatchman is posting and answered my sufrace go pen question on twitter
he said "no!"
In order of most interesting:
Duo 2 (if battery life is strong then this could be a winner, this is the unfold for people that prefer durability and no crease)
Surface Pro 8 (pretty much a Surface Pro X but with Intel, would have liked to see an AMD option)
Surface Go 3 (actually looking for a small premium x64 tablet but sadly also no AMD option)
Surface Laptop Studio (3050ti is rather disappointing vs 3060 and design is an acquired taste)
Duo 2 (if battery life is strong then this could be a winner, this is the unfold for people that prefer durability and no crease)
Surface Pro 8 (pretty much a Surface Pro X but with Intel, would have liked to see an AMD option)
Surface Go 3 (actually looking for a small premium x64 tablet but sadly also no AMD option)
Surface Laptop Studio (3050ti is rather disappointing vs 3060 and design is an acquired taste)
i just hope that has enough nits for “being on the gulf of mexico beach” usage.
and can sustain a work flow under humid weather
and is available in ice blue
and has a better typing experience than an iPad
Warning: Extended musings on the Surface Pro 8 and what it means to me as an iPad/Macbook user.
The Surface Pro 8 blew me away. My skepticism for the Intel chip and claimed battery life aside, I think Microsoft has done an amazing job here. It's the first time I've felt jealous of a Microsoft product in a while. Since it was first introduced, the iPad Pro I think has reached for the goal of being the ultimately versatile device, and each iteration of the hardware and software has brought it closer and closer to that goal. Depending on what you have attached to it, an iPad Pro can be a tablet, a sketchbook, notepad, laptop, or even more things. But as has been discussed over and over for years, it doesn't quite reach the mark of being fully versatile yet. It can't replace a laptop for many workloads (mine included, as a native software developer), and it's extremely unlikely to replace a desktop for any workload.
The Surface Pro line, for all its many flaws, has always made more ambitious attempts to be the one device that can do it all. Historically, it's always had to do this at the cost of very serious compromises. The Surface Pro 7 had an extremely outdated design, poor battery life, a 60hz screen, weak performance that still pushed the cooling system to its limits, poor IO, and a worse pure tablet experience. The Pro 8 significantly mitigates many of these tradeoffs, particularly in hardware.
Everyone's use case is different of course. If you have no need for a 'full' laptop or desktop experience I think the iPad is still the obvious choice. Despite the improvements in Windows 11, iPadOS is clearly still much more optimized for touch, and the app selection and quality is leagues above Microsoft's offering. Not to mention there's still so many 'ifs' about the Surface that could come up later that would negate almost all of this, like the serious concerns I have about the claimed battery life and performance. But if you are like me or your use cases are similar to mine, then for the first time Microsoft has caught up and come closer to creating that 'one' device that can do it all for you than Apple has, particularly if the app you're most in need of in tablet form is just a web browser.
I still believe in Apple's approach. I'm not one of those people thinking that Apple is afraid of cannibalizing the Mac. I think the simplicity of the iPad is very important to them, and they feel they have to think through every new addition to iPadOS very carefully to ensure that the simplicity isn't damaged. I think the clear lead they had in the market is what gave them the freedom to take this problem so slowly. Too slowly, I think. My hope is that the Surface Pro 8 is an amazing machine. Not just for the people that purchase it, but because the effect of competition is real, and even if it's not quite all the way to achieving the dream either, a good SP8 would be a reminder to Apple that the clock is ticking. The SP8's tablet problems are in my opinion, easier to solve and less damaging to the experience than the iPad's laptop and desktop problems. If Apple continues to spend years reworking basic side-by-side multitasking over and over again, Microsoft is going to pass them for many people, if they haven't already.
The Surface Pro 8 blew me away. My skepticism for the Intel chip and claimed battery life aside, I think Microsoft has done an amazing job here. It's the first time I've felt jealous of a Microsoft product in a while. Since it was first introduced, the iPad Pro I think has reached for the goal of being the ultimately versatile device, and each iteration of the hardware and software has brought it closer and closer to that goal. Depending on what you have attached to it, an iPad Pro can be a tablet, a sketchbook, notepad, laptop, or even more things. But as has been discussed over and over for years, it doesn't quite reach the mark of being fully versatile yet. It can't replace a laptop for many workloads (mine included, as a native software developer), and it's extremely unlikely to replace a desktop for any workload.
The Surface Pro line, for all its many flaws, has always made more ambitious attempts to be the one device that can do it all. Historically, it's always had to do this at the cost of very serious compromises. The Surface Pro 7 had an extremely outdated design, poor battery life, a 60hz screen, weak performance that still pushed the cooling system to its limits, poor IO, and a worse pure tablet experience. The Pro 8 significantly mitigates many of these tradeoffs, particularly in hardware.
Everyone's use case is different of course. If you have no need for a 'full' laptop or desktop experience I think the iPad is still the obvious choice. Despite the improvements in Windows 11, iPadOS is clearly still much more optimized for touch, and the app selection and quality is leagues above Microsoft's offering. Not to mention there's still so many 'ifs' about the Surface that could come up later that would negate almost all of this, like the serious concerns I have about the claimed battery life and performance. But if you are like me or your use cases are similar to mine, then for the first time Microsoft has caught up and come closer to creating that 'one' device that can do it all for you than Apple has, particularly if the app you're most in need of in tablet form is just a web browser.
I still believe in Apple's approach. I'm not one of those people thinking that Apple is afraid of cannibalizing the Mac. I think the simplicity of the iPad is very important to them, and they feel they have to think through every new addition to iPadOS very carefully to ensure that the simplicity isn't damaged. I think the clear lead they had in the market is what gave them the freedom to take this problem so slowly. Too slowly, I think. My hope is that the Surface Pro 8 is an amazing machine. Not just for the people that purchase it, but because the effect of competition is real, and even if it's not quite all the way to achieving the dream either, a good SP8 would be a reminder to Apple that the clock is ticking. The SP8's tablet problems are in my opinion, easier to solve and less damaging to the experience than the iPad's laptop and desktop problems. If Apple continues to spend years reworking basic side-by-side multitasking over and over again, Microsoft is going to pass them for many people, if they haven't already.
That Surface Pro 8 looks SO GOOD. I haven't wanted a product this much in a long, long time.