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Well, ok. Based on that quarterly chart but like I say, wider picture Mac sales are ok, would Apple like it to be better, sure, but variables. Sales are down, market share is up. Variables. YoY the sales in the US are up, still 4th largest, consumer price sensitivity and blah, too much to say not enough time.
I think what you are trying to present is OMG! But that is for people on FB that believe the picture without reading the words.
Not defending, not a fanboy. Whatever you believe the reason is. I guarantee numbers will increase in 2020. Bookmark, if they don't there is $10 in it for you.
I think what you are trying to present is OMG! But that is for people on FB that believe the picture without reading the words.
Not defending, not a fanboy. Whatever you believe the reason is. I guarantee numbers will increase in 2020. Bookmark, if they don't there is $10 in it for you.
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Are they?
They were down in the 3rd and 2nd quarter. Not sure how much wider you need to see. The bottom line is apple has been selling less computers. No need to dive any deeper then that 🤷♂️
Mac revenue is down $250 million YOY in their last quarterly report. That is pretty flat considering total revenue is over $7 billion and as you say this segment fluctuates.
Why wouldn't you want to dive deeper though? Gartner is reporting estimates of shipments, not numbers sold through to customers. So these are not actual sales numbers.
For FY19, Mac revenue was up from FY18.
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Revenue is up because Apple is charging more. Apple doesn't provide details on sales so those estimates are what we have and they are generally accepted.
So we know what Gartner estimates of shipments into the supply channel are and we know how much revenue Macs generated for Apple. What we don't know is how many Macs were sold to customers. Any conclusion there is simply a guess.
The kickstand and build quality on the Surface Pro 6 is amazing. If the iPads were built with that quality and included that kickstand, it would be great.Ok so at the very BIG risk of making myself sound like a complete idiot! i'm going to admit that i miss my Surface Pro 6. I do think that i was hasty in selling it. While i do like my iPad Pro, it has it's limits and one of the things i miss about the Surface Pro is the kickstand and the full desktop experience
The Surface Pro X is appealing BUT i'm not sure it's all that powerful. I'm holding out until the Surface Neo and Duo are released.
Hoping the Neo & Duo are what people want.
No need to look too far, I see fewer & fewer on the Mac these days, and there's reason for that...
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Don't need English lessons thank you very much, equally it is what it is. Pro's have been dropping the Mac for years and it's likely continue.
You might want to look up Apple's share of the desktop market. Yep they lost that one decades ago, now predominantly focused on IOS devices and services, that's what "we" call objectivity....
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Previously you were claiming the numbers of Macs you “saw” were some kind of evidence. You still don’t see the flaw there? Oh well.
I don’t think you are objective at all but I’m certain desktop market share has dropped as MacBooks are the favorite Mac overall. You are being selective so that you can prove a point but it actually works against your claim of objectivity.
Desktop as in OS, as in all Mac's. Told you, is what it is, like it or loath it. Let's face it everyone is absolutely queuing up to buy Mac's, or maybe not...Said before and I'll say it again, never seen so many drop the platform since the introduction of the 2016 MBP. Call it what you want, equally it's a reality; weak, unreliable hardware now exasperated by flaky software, everyone's dream who relies on their computers for a living, hence why we're out...
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lol.....there is a distinct difference between a desktop and a laptop.
Whether or not people are buying Macs or not, doesn't matter to me. I'm one of those who gave up on Macs. I'd rather rely on real data, not biased perception and assumptions in determining how a product is doing.
It may be anecdotal, but you cannot ignore eye witness accounts. I recall people claiming how much market share the iPhone has simply by seeing the number of people on the subway staring down at their phones. When the majority was shifting away from apple and on to android, many apple users started saying that you can't use that as an example ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Granted, it cannot be used as concrete evidence but I do think its a valid comment. I'm not saying apple is doomed, but I do wonder if college age students are slowing shying away from Macs. I'm out of the loop of what college students use, as I'm well into my 50s at this point so I'll not offer any conjecture on that demographic.
The thing as well is that Apple has more competition, the competitors have also got better with time. In the computer space Microsoft have got better with Surface devices. The Surface Laptop is in direct competition, for the money you get more (including a touch screen).
As for mobile devices Android seems to have gotten better over the last few years (I haven't used an Android device since the Galaxy S4). Samsung has the Note series and it's S series, including the up coming S20. The marker is moving forwards while getting better with each step. Apple seems to be sticking with it's old routine.
The Surface side of things seems to be gaining traction, they are now close to being a $2 billion business. Which is good considering I can remember when they were barely making $1 billion.
When Queen6 referred to "Apple's share of the desktop market", they were referencing desktop OS share. You are confusing this with desktop and laptop hardware which both use the same OS. Whether people buy a desktop or laptop Windows PC or Mac, it's still referred to as "desktop share" as both types of device use a "desktop OS".lol.....there is a distinct difference between a desktop and a laptop.
Apple's desktop OS share currently sits at around 17% worldwide, up from the roughly 12% it was at a year ago: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide
That's not a bad increase; things change, however, when you look at all platforms where it's never moved beyond single digits: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share
In that latter category, however, macOS is probably cannibalised slightly by iOS (where the iPad is increasingly being pushed as a "computer") just as Windows (and Apple's platforms) has been dented significantly by Android.
I'd like to see maybe instead of a disconnectable display (the "clipboard"), a 360° hinge that can flip the screen all the way around, provided they can make the lower half thin enough to making holding the machine like a tablet a reasonable chore. If it's as heavy as the current machine, than the 360° hinge would be a no-go.
4 and 6 core CPU options. Upgraded discrete graphics. 32GB RAM option. 2-4TB SSD options. Smaller bezels around the screen. USB-C port on the clipboard/tablet section (if they keep that form-factor).
I don't see the need for a model without a dGPU (that can be served with a Surface Laptop). One can hope for Thunderbolt 3, but I suspect the Surface Connector still uses too many PCI lanes to include both.
If we were just talking about perceptions then sure, but it is entirely out of place in the context of the discussion of market data. And yeah, I can ignore it for exactly the reason you laid out in talking about "apple users" and the number of iPhones seen on the subway or whatever. Personal bias affects perception. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
He made no mention of OS in his post, just "desktop". It wasn't clear to me that he was talking about Macs overall. Regardless, he clarified and I understand what he was saying now and he wasn't being selective as I thought he was.
Seems strange to include handheld devices in a comparison of OS market share, doesn't it? That market share increase from 12% to 17% for Mac seems like a huge increase. Don't know how reliable web analytics are, frankly. Not saying they aren't. Just saying I don't know.
@raqball Did I say something funny?
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I guess mobile devices have taken over everyday computing tasks for a lot of people. Where everyone once had at least one PC in their house, many now get by with just a phone (especially bigger screen devices) and/or a tablet. I know plenty of people who no longer have a PC at home. Interesting that even the lowest-cost Android phones tend to have large screens - it's become the computer of choice for many people (hence the erosion and eventual overhaul of Windows as the #1 OS overall).
The increased Mac share may seem larger than it is due to the shrinking size of the desktop OS pie in general. As a result, the decline of Windows is steeper than it may seem too (I remember when it was 90%+ of desktop OS share).
It seems like someone should bring up Chromebooks here too. Not me, but somebody. Lol
www.computerworld.com
Sorry, Apple: For the education market, Chromebook is the clear winner
Apple started this fight with some old-school smack talk, but it only highlighted how it’s clinging to the old PC-centric model.
www.computerworld.com
It seems like someone should bring up Chromebooks here too. Not me, but somebody. Lol
Sorry, Apple: For the education market, Chromebook is the clear winner
Apple started this fight with some old-school smack talk, but it only highlighted how it’s clinging to the old PC-centric model.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, Apple has better competition now. I think that will only increase especially when Surface Neo and Duo are released later this year.
I think you are right as Windows being the predominant OS on the market will be the first to lose market share to smart phones. Mac OS and its more stalwart fanbase are not going to abandon their preferred platform as easily. Very insightful post.
There is certainly truth in that, but! What I am seeing is that those people are coming back again with the MBP 16 and the anticipated 14. I am still putting money on a significant run back being seen through 2020.
Plus, what I definitely see more of are those who have an Apple laptop/desktop at its end of life for the user and it is replaced by an iPad. A lot of users out there just don't need anything more.
Heck, I even see people just being happy with a large screen iPhone for all their needs now.