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Do you own a Surface device

  • Yes I own a Surface Pro or Surfacebook - it’s great

    Votes: 165 51.2%
  • Yes I own a Surface laptop - it’s great

    Votes: 36 11.2%
  • No - i’m not a fan

    Votes: 69 21.4%
  • Not anymore I had a bad experience

    Votes: 52 16.1%

  • Total voters
    322
Prices are way out there. Especially because everything is glued in. 256GB starting storage for a 15"? At that price?
Yeah, thanks, but no thanks.
 
How many laptops of that size do you see these days that do not have soldered ram and SSD? Not many, it is the way things are going now, hardly an Apple or MS thing. You could see it coming for years that soldering everything to the board was the future. If you don't want that, buy a brick that allows you to replace most things.
 
Not many, it is the way things are going now, hardly an Apple
Yeah, I suppose, that its more likely to see ram soldered onto the motherboard, but there's no questioning that Apple took it to a new level when they soldered the storage and battery. Many Pc makers still let you upgrade your storage, some even have multiple NVMe connectors. Most to my knowledge don't glue the battery down so tight that any work requires a new top case ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


If you don't want that, buy a brick that allows you to replace most things.
Funny thing is, I don't have a brick, my Razer is nearly as thin as the MBP and yet the battery, storage, and ram are upgradeable. :cool:
 
Funny thing is, I don't have a brick, my Razer is nearly as thin as the MBP and yet the battery, storage, and ram are upgradeable.

Fair, although they are not very reliable machines are they? And I had read they have the worst proven customer service record even compared to some of the really budget end manufacturers.

I thought you have returned a Razer at some point as you were not happy with it and got the X1 instead.
 
Simply scalping at the best, and Apple's the master....

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Thing is Apples makes these decisions and others follow. The removal of the headphone jack from the iPhone, for example and then others have followed. I remember Samsung running an add that was having a go at Apple for doing that, then the following year they did the same.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with Apple on some of the things. I do find that using the wireless Airpods are a lot better than the old wired ones. But soldering in SSDS and other components doesn’t really serve a purpose.

It’s like Apple’s decision to not make a proper 2 in 1, they want to see you an iPad and a Mac. Microsoft on the other hand are selling you a Surface which is a 2 in 1 and works as both a tablet and a laptop. So you are already paying for both from Microsoft and I can understand them charging more than they would for just a laptop or just a tablet.
 
Fair, although they are not very reliable machines are they?
Actually their track record has improved, along with customer support
Is Razer customer service good? 2020 rating
Last year, Razer was our MVB (most improved brand), jumping seven spots up to second place. Improvement is great, but only if you can keep it up. Razer's not only maintained its good tech support habits, but also improved even more — enough to earn a first finish, dethroning Apple.

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I thought you have returned a Razer at some point as you were not happy with it and got the X1 instead.
I was unhappy with some of the small things, and I opted for the X1 which I still have and is a fabulous machine. What it lacked was a better GPU, the keyboard's back lighting was a bit hard for me, as its virtually non-existent. The keyboard itself is the best but I wished the backlighting was better as I type in low light situations often enough. I'm more into playing games and the Thinkpad's weaker GPU wasn't holding up.

I now have a 2019 Razer Advanced that is significantly faster in many ways, the Vapor chamber cooling is top notch and I'm really happy with the 240Hz FHD screen.

Overall, I couldn't be happier with the Razer

they want to see you an iPad and a Mac.
Actually, I'd probably not be surprised that Apple would be happy if you opted for just the iPad, their focus for years has been on the iPad and largely ignoring the Macs. Even so, they only added features to the iPad after seeing the success of the Surface Pro. I mean do you really thing we'd see a stylus on the iPad if the Surface Pro didn't exist? I don't think so
 
It’s like Apple’s decision to not make a proper 2 in 1

There is a market out there for 2 in 1 devices, no idea how big it is, but is there really a market for an Apple 2 in 1? I don't think so. Apple has nailed it with the iPad in my view in comparison to anything else out there today. Really not convinced there is a big enough market within the Apple customer base to have a 2 in 1.
 
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How many laptops of that size do you see these days that do not have soldered ram and SSD? Not many, it is the way things are going now, hardly an Apple or MS thing. You could see it coming for years that soldering everything to the board was the future. If you don't want that, buy a brick that allows you to replace most things.

My laptop is the size of MBP 15. I have 2nvme SSD in, replaceable battery, WiFi and RAM. It's lighter then MBP 15, but has better thermals.

And yes, it's even more durable. Only thing that isn't as good is battery. But considering all of the compromises I would have to take as MBP owner, this one small compromise isn't that bad.
 
Actually, I'd probably not be surprised that Apple would be happy if you opted for just the iPad

Indeed, they are chasing the services more than ever, so it makes no difference if you have an iPad or a MBP, they want you buying Apple Music, News+, Arcade, Apple TV, more iCloud storage and so on. As long as you have something to purchases these on they are happy whatever you have.

The new iPhone SE is the same, it is not about giving customers what they want, it is about getting more people in and selling more of the services, they will (hope) to get the reduced cost of the phone back in time.
 
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Only thing that isn't as good is battery.
Same here, but I can squeeze 5+ hours out on a charge which is enough for me, and you're right about thermals, where the MBP throttles, is unable to fully utilize the CPU, my Razer does. Heck, I can have my Razer hooked up to a monitor and not deal with heat - something the 16" MBP cannot say :D
 
Thing is Apples makes these decisions and others follow. The removal of the headphone jack from the iPhone, for example and then others have followed. I remember Samsung running an add that was having a go at Apple for doing that, then the following year they did the same.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with Apple on some of the things. I do find that using the wireless Airpods are a lot better than the old wired ones. But soldering in SSDS and other components doesn’t really serve a purpose.

It’s like Apple’s decision to not make a proper 2 in 1, they want to see you an iPad and a Mac. Microsoft on the other hand are selling you a Surface which is a 2 in 1 and works as both a tablet and a laptop. So you are already paying for both from Microsoft and I can understand them charging more than they would for just a laptop or just a tablet.

Serves to force overpriced anti-consumer inhouse upgrades, no more no less, apart from reducing production costs. Apple's strategy is simple; more devices, more services, more profit.

As long as people are willing to pay, Apple will continue on this path. Ultimately wanting a monthly revenue stream from it's users on time limited hardware...

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when I work (programming), my 15" MBP from 2019 dies in 2 to 2 1/2 hours. I don't really care for idle runtimes, when you push these machines they all kill their batteries in no time. U CPUs might be a little better, but 45W Intel CPUs, haha, no.
 
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As long as people are willing to pay, Apple will continue on this path. Ultimately wanting a monthly revenue stream from it's users on time limited hardware...

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The problem is that a lot of people are inside Apple's ecosystem and it's not easy to break out of. For example i'm deep inside the ecosystem (i have iPhone, Apple Watch, Mac, iPad Pro, Apple TV, AirPods Pro, HomePod, Apple Music and Apple TV Plus which is the 1 year free i got with my iPhone 11 Pro Max). The issue i find isn't always with the devices, it's apps, ease of use and even down to aesthetics.

I have been holding out for a redesigned iMac for a while now, i still love to use my iMac but it's old (2012 redesign). The iPad Pro again i have used for years and enjoyed doing so, it's only the bending issues that have put me off upgrading my current 2017 iPad Pro (which was a replacement by Apple for the issue i had with the original one.

I would just like Apple to be what they use to be, innovate, give me an iMac with reduced bezels and some innovative features (much like the Surface Studio really). Have that same quality that they use to have, (i only ever had an issue with my 2017 iPad Pro and my AirPods Pro, 2 issues in the last couple of years compared to none before then).


I don't hate Apple, i'm just disappointed lately and not feeling the same excitement that i use too. Which is why i'm keeping my options open and will look at the Surface Book 3 when it is announced alongside any new Apple products. I'm probably always going to have at least one foot in the door, but depending on what Apple do i may start to move more and more away from them over time.
 
I have been holding out for a redesigned iMac for a while now, i still love to use my iMac but it's old (2012 redesign). The iPad Pro again i have used for years and enjoyed doing so, it's only the bending issues that have put me off upgrading my current 2017 iPad Pro (which was a replacement by Apple for the issue i had with the original one.

I would just like Apple to be what they use to be, innovate, give me an iMac with reduced bezels and some innovative features (much like the Surface Studio really). Have that same quality that they use to have, (i only ever had an issue with my 2017 iPad Pro and my AirPods Pro, 2 issues in the last couple of years compared to none before then).


I don't hate Apple, i'm just disappointed lately and not feeling the same excitement that i use too. Which is why i'm keeping my options open and will look at the Surface Book 3 when it is announced alongside any new Apple products. I'm probably always going to have at least one foot in the door, but depending on what Apple do i may start to move more and more away from them over time.

You may well get your wish. :) I don't mind if Apple don't innovate, sometimes when they try too hard in that regard, we get something like the trashcan Mac Pro or that MacBook with only one port. I just want them to make good computers that are refreshed every year, even if the design remains the same.

I have a 2013 iMac myself and depending on what Apple do, I'll get a new one or build a PC myself. Maybe they will finally ditch the spinning hard drives and use a good webcam this year.
 
You may well get your wish. :) I don't mind if Apple don't innovate, sometimes when they try too hard in that regard, we get something like the trashcan Mac Pro or that MacBook with only one port. I just want them to make good computers that are refreshed every year, even if the design remains the same.

I have a 2013 iMac myself and depending on what Apple do, I'll get a new one or build a PC myself. Maybe they will finally ditch the spinning hard drives and use a good webcam this year.

I really hope that rumour is true :) I want to upgrade my iMac! Even if it’s just a reduction in the bezels and maybe the chin. That along with the current 5K display and I would instantly buy one.

There are rumblings that they are also going to announce Final Cut Pro for the iPad Pro :D now that would get my attention as well. Jon Prosser hasn’t been wrong yet, he’s saying he’s 100% sure, he’s just not sure of an exact date yet! but he’s certain it will happen within the next 12 months.

ok Apple I’m listening now!
 
SB3 prices and configurations (not official, of course).
 
SB3 prices and configurations (not official, of course).
You're a day late ;)

 
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SB3 prices and configurations (not official, of course).
Not official
 
As long as people are willing to pay, Apple will continue on this path. Ultimately wanting a monthly revenue stream from it's users on time limited hardware...

Don't hate Apple for getting their first.

Google and Microsoft wanted you tied into their eco-system and would have bled you dry just as much, they failed on different levels. Apple is not alone on wanting a monthly revenue from you, everyone is at it now.
 
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You're a day late ;)

Now that we more or less know what the specs are going to be. Does anyone think that there will be a tweak to the design? Not a major redesign, but at least a tweak, maybe a black version?

the specs seem good for even the 13” Surface Book 3, personally if I end up buying one, I want something I can leave at my desk, detach when I want to go into another room and watch Netflix.
I also want to be able to write in Word, take notes with a pen (Surface Slim pen looks good). Edit some photos (nothing too crazy) and play some games like Sims 4. Watch content like Netflix, YouTube and my iTunes library.

Judging by the leaked specs, I’m guessing the 13” Surface Book 3 would suit my needs.
 
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