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Except you can't really use MBA launch prices as a good indicator. No doubt the MBA push the market and they invented the ultrabook. Those days are long gone and the MBA is now easily considered their budget machines..

Yes, they are. But just because they are old and have not been redesigned. In 2012, the retina MacBook Pro was introduced to stratospheric prices as well, and became cheaper as time went by. Now, the remaining retina Pros are also in a sort of "budget" category. It happens with all Apple products. Every year, Apple launches a new iPhone and drops the prices of the existing models by USD 100.
 
Well, my opinion is that @ the $1,000 MBA price tag, it's not even close to being worth that. Now if they upped the specs a little and added a 1080p screen? Sure $1K would be a competitive price. But 1K for the current version, all things considered? NO WAY@!

The current 13" MBA (128) should be priced at about $799 in my opinion..

I also don't think anyone should buy the 128GB version of any machine these days. 256GB is pretty much a base requirement.

  • 1.8GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor Broadwell 5th Gen
  • 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 memory
  • 256GB SSD storage
  • Intel HD Graphics 6000
  • Screen resolution: 1,440 x 900
Looking at those specs for a $1200 machine (the 256GB version) is flat out nuts!
 
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Well, my opinion is that @ the $1,000 MBA price tag, it's not even close to being worth that. Now if they upped the specs a little and added a 1080p screen? Sure $1K would be a competitive price. But 1K for the current version, all things considered? NO WAY@!

The current 13" MBA (128) should be priced at about $799 in my opinion..

Yes, it is not worth it. Apple products are hardly worth it. If you buy the top-range products, they will be very expensive but hardly anything will be able to match it. But at the low end, it is hardly justifiable...
 
If someone is able to get the MS student discount then the SL become much more attractive...

I'm a student and looking to replace my ageing (and bloody heavy) 2012 rMBP 15" with a Surface Laptop. Due to my student status, I can get money off. I'm UK so not sure about dollars, but i5/8/256 goes from £1,240 to £1,124.10. It's a nice saving and, as far as I can tell, the cheapest price you'll find anywhere for the machine. The base model is only £881, but I really can't risk 4GB of RAM and 128GB storage.

I intend to use it for report/document writing and light to medium development work (Visual Studio).
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As I previously stated I'd highly recommend anyone getting this also buy the MS Complete warranty... It's non repairable!

Old post - sorry! But I'm curious about the Extended Warranty option you mentioned above. According to Microsoft's website, it basically gives you 2 years hardware and accidental damage coverage. Does that nullify standard 1 year warranty meaning literally just 2 years coverage, or is that an additional 2 years warranty making 3 years coverage total?

Also, I think I'm right in saying companies have to provide 2 years standard warranty on all products sold within the EU so it might not be necessary for someone from the UK, such as myself. I'll have to look into that...but of course, warranties don't cover accidental damage.
 
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Old post - sorry! But I'm curious about the Extended Warranty option you mentioned above. According to Microsoft's website, it basically gives you 2 years hardware and accidental damage coverage. Does that nullify standard 1 year warranty meaning literally just 2 years coverage, or is that an additional 2 years warranty making 3 years coverage total?

In the US it extends the base warranty by an additional year and ads in accidental damage coverage. Basically it's 2 years total coverage.
 
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not repairable garbage, you can't even open to do simple maintenance like cleaning fan from dust
 
not repairable garbage, you can't even open to do simple maintenance like cleaning fan from dust
Unfortunatly it's the way of thinner lighter laptops these days even the newer MBP are past the simple screwed on backs now and require suction cups and plastic picks etc and removal of boards etc to get to fans, way past most amateur fiddlers for "routine maintenance"
 
Unfortunatly it's the way of thinner lighter laptops these days even the newer MBP are past the simple screwed on backs now and require suction cups and plastic picks etc and removal of boards etc to get to fans, way past most amateur fiddlers for "routine maintenance"

but you can still open new MacBook Pro without breaking the machine

also i5 cpu and 4GB RAM in Surface Laptop it's a killer for only $1000 !
 
but you can still open new MacBook Pro without breaking the machine

And do what LOL a MBP is still not serviceable for most even a KB or TP is a nightmare as everything is glued

If you take your MBP in for a major fault it's just as likely to cost the same as a surface the only difference is with a surface your most likely to get a whole new base unit which seems preferable over something that has literally been pulled apart
 
And do what LOL a MBP is still not serviceable for most even a KB or TP is a nightmare as everything is glued

If you take your MBP in for a major fault it's just as likely to cost the same as a surface the only difference is with a surface your most likely to get a whole new base unit which seems preferable over something that has literally been pulled apart

I see you didn't do even simple research
trackpad is replaceable, screen also, logic board you can remove from the case, it's still repairable for someone who knows component board level repair (after warranty)

battery can be unglued if you know basics

keyboard isn't glued, it's mounted using rivets, which they can be removed and replaced by screws (when you need install new keyboard)

also I don't where are you from but maybe in your country it's normal when expensive laptop broke down after warranty and goes directly into trash, wasting natural resources isn't good
 
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I see you didn't do even simple research
trackpad is replaceable, screen also, logic board you can remove from the case, it's still repairable for someone who knows component board level repair (after warranty)

battery can be unglued if you know basics

keyboard isn't glued, it's mounted using rivets, which they can be removed and replaced by screws (when you need install new keyboard)

also I don't where are you from but maybe in your country it's normal when expensive laptop broke down after warranty and goes directly into trash, wasting natural resources isn't good
Good for you if you have the competency and the tools to hand but for most of us we know what an Ifixit score of 1 means for the MBP and others

I also understand given your local with no Apple store etc that parts will also be hard to get and probably even more expensive.

With Apple pricing on parts a 4 or 5 year old Laptop with a major fault is often throwing good money away and can easily cost far more than the 2nd hand value. Most will have to rely on quotes for repairs

You may be the exception but for most a MBP and many other laptops are now almost disposable and not all think they are expensive :D

I am all for having a fiddle to get a bit more life out of many household items but the odds are against us with many things these days. Long gone are the days of resetting my spark plugs and contacts on a Saturday morning for example.

As to your country or my country lets not go there and stay on topic and not throw stones in glass houses

PS I meant TB not TP my bad :)
 
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Good for you if you have the competency and the tools to hand but for most of us we know what an Ifixit score of 1 means for the MBP and others

I also understand given your local with no Apple store etc that parts will also be hard to get and probably even more expensive.

With Apple pricing on parts a 4 or 5 year old Laptop with a major fault is often throwing good money away and can easily cost far more than the 2nd hand value. Most will have to rely on quotes for repairs

You may be the exception but for most a MBP and many other laptops are now almost disposable and not all think they are expensive :D

I am all for having a fiddle to get a bit more life out of many household items but the odds are against us with many things these days. Long gone are the days of resetting my spark plugs and contacts on a Saturday morning for example.

As to your country or my country lets not go there and stay on topic and not throw stones in glass houses

there are also 3rd party services

if you don't have a clue about repair market don't speak on behalf of others
 
there are also 3rd party services

if you don't have a clue about repair market don't speak on behalf of others
Don't be silly now :rolleyes:

Best of luck with your future repairs
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Oh well, Matebook X was D.O.A. that's okay. Glad it came that way rather than dying a month or two out. Back it goes.

Because of this, I am back to the drawing board PC-wise.

That's a shame as it looks quite impressive on paper

What about ZenBook 3 or even a Samsung Book if you fancy a 2 in 1
 
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That's a shame as it looks quite impressive on paper

What about ZenBook 3 or even a Samsung Book if you fancy a 2 in 1

Thanks for the reply.

Matebook X: It is a beautiful looking machine and I am sure it would have been wonderful. I liked the feel of the keys, I did not get to test drive it, but resting my hands on the keyboard, it felt great (More travel than the current :apple: keyboards.) Once I am more comfortable with Windows and working again, I'll definitely take another look especially if Huawei release a 15" version. Even though mine was D.O.A., I think it would make a solid replacement for a MacBook or MBA.

Earlier this year, I circled MS, Lenovo and HP.

No Dell for me. Asus, I have yet to read consistently good reviews for many of their laptops.

And if I do go 2-in-1, MS is a lock on that.

Just a bit bummed I have to waste time researching again.
 
Thanks for the reply.

Matebook X: It is a beautiful looking machine and I am sure it would have been wonderful. I liked the feel of the keys, I did not get to test drive it, but resting my hands on the keyboard, it felt great (More travel than the current :apple: keyboards.) Once I am more comfortable with Windows and working again, I'll definitely take another look especially if Huawei release a 15" version. Even though mine was D.O.A., I think it would make a solid replacement for a MacBook or MBA.

Earlier this year, I circled MS, Lenovo and HP.

No Dell for me. Asus, I have yet to read consistently good reviews for many of their laptops.

And if I do go 2-in-1, MS is a lock on that.

Just a bit bummed I have to waste time researching again.

Sometime the quest is the good part :)

I think a quick flick through Lisa's reviews on http://www.mobiletechreview.com often is the best starting point for sorting out the chaff as she seems to be very rounded in her opinions
 
Sometime the quest is the good part :)

I think a quick flick through Lisa's reviews on http://www.mobiletechreview.com often is the best starting point for sorting out the chaff as she seems to be very rounded in her opinions

Yep, she's awesome. I swore by her reviews and the folks in this sub-forum when I thought I was going to go PC. Right now, I need to be practicing Office rather than spending hours researching. Pardon my superficiality, a lot of these laptops are downright fugly. Darn you Apple making me even more aware of nice design. :p:rolleyes::p
 
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I know a lot of people are going to laugh at me for saying this but to me an ifixit score below 5 means, I'd rather pay someone else with a certificate to do so to get my stuff repaired.

I love the design of a lot of devices but not being able to repair this stuff has me worried about the longterm use if I'm spending way north of 1.000 bucks I expect my laptop to last 3 to 4 years at least.

I think the surface laptop does look great but this thing is not fixable and it lacks the portability of the Pro line and doesn't have the same punch to it as the Surfacebook. Sorry for ot
 
Update: I went with the much maligned title laptop because B&H had a sale on them that made it cheaper than the Surface Pro. Given my iPad blehs and that I own an iPad Pro, I was super hesitant to get the Surface Pro even though it runs a desktop OS unlike :apple:. I was also skittish of the Asus, HPs and Lenovos...

The "Platinum" 8gb/256 will be here tomorrow night. I will be glad to answer any questions to best of my knowledge. This is my first laptop since testing an MBA several years ago.

While this was not the most cost efficient thing to do, I did it.

I know I won't be eating or drinking around my Surface Laptop that's for sure. :p
 
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