That doesn't make sense for those of us who actually use their Macs to get work done. I think Apple is smart in keeping tablet functionality away from the Macs. The rMB in its current form is perfect.
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Surface Pro shows what Macbook could have been, what new Macs need?
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That doesn't make sense for those of us who actually use their Macs to get work done. I think Apple is smart in keeping tablet functionality away from the Macs. The rMB in its current form is perfect.
Usability, the fact that you can use the device as a Notebook, Presenter, Tablet, input via keyboard, finger or pen, make such a system highly attractive to many. Sadly Apple has lot is`s imagination, with the sole focus of the Mac only being "thiner & lighter"
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How does it not make sense? Like the Surface Book it's completely legitimate as a laptop, when you want it to be.
If Core M processors become powerful enough, imagine a base the size of the rMB, the thickness of a rMBP/Air but double the battery (including the tablet's battery), and double the functionality.
I know I'm talking about years into the future, but my point is, there comes a day when processors and batteries advance beyond a stage of marginal returns. Notebooks can't get any appreciably faster or thinner (not speaking for everyone) - then what do you do? It is at this point when Microsoft's vision comes into play. It seems that MS often finds itself almost too far ahead of the curve, and I'm not sure if that's a good thing for them, but personally, it keeps my dreams alive.
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Agreed which is odd to have this comparison.I'm referring to the title of this thread and the fact that it's in the MacBook forum.
No Apple`s lazy and only wants to maximise profit. A MacBook that could run IOS via touch, would take absolutely nothing away from the OS X desktop user experience, equally you would then have one device as opposed to two...
The Mac has never been further behind on hardware, OS X is it`s saving grace in the Desktop "space"
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I'd give it the trackpad, keyboard, battery life, aesthetics and customer support as well, but I agree, a HUGE reason I'm staying with Macs is OS X.
Very much agree, equally Apple are too focused on "thin & light" and are simply "marking time" with innovation I am sure that they could deliver some "killer" OS X/IOS combination devices to market, however they keep delivering more of the same.
At the end of some of the more recent Keynotes the only thing I took away was "is that all you've got" Apple had a huge opportunity with iPad Pro, only to deliver a bigger iPad. A niche product for those that create, bragging rights for those that consume, completely underwhelming...
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Can Windows 10 rename a file while it's open? Can Windows 10 scroll a background window without bringing it to the foreground? Does Windows 10 let you move or rename a file without breaking all of the shortcuts that point to it? Does Windows 10 have consistent print dialogs? In Windows Explorer, can you select a filename by typing the first few letters of the name, or does every letter you type still take you to a new file? These are all pet peeves of mine.
I can tell you that yes, you can now scroll a background window, and in Explorer you can type to get to the file name you want and it works well (since at least Windows 8). Printing is much improved in Win 10 as well - and I've only run across one print dialogue.
No.
But can Windows 10 run every version of every type of typical workplace software and is it compatible with every version of every type of typical workplace hardware? Yes. And that's why we use it.
There is nothing wrong with Apple making the best portable executive Windows hardware and Microsoft making the best executive workplace operating system. That's a really nice win-win for people like me who have every iOS device ever made yet live in a Windows world at work. I have best-in-class hardware, I run Windows 10 brilliantly, I can flip Boot Camp to OSX if I want FaceTime or AirDrop. It's really a fantastic setup, no compromises.
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I like the OS of the iPad and its portability. If my future-state iPad were the top-half of a full notebook I'd have to run OSX (do not like) and have to drag around the keyboard all the time (do not like) and run processes that eat battery (do not like). Sometimes its best to have two devices, each fantastic at what they do, rather than compromise on both.
Oh, and the one thing that too many people miss is this- For many people, the iPad is their "personal" computer. Meaning that they get a notebook from work and they can't load it up with personal photos (he he), videos (ahem), certain websites (wink-wink) and it's very convenient to have an iPad tucked away in the backpack on business trips that's nicely and safely separating Church-and-state from prying eyes.
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Regardless of specs there's something the Surface doesn't have and I can't put my finger on it.
I purchased a Surface Pro 3 for use in our Office 4 months ago. The docs were telling me, bigger screen, touch screen, etc, etc.It was pretty much exactly what they were asking for and thought they wanted.
They still use the iPad2 and a MacBook over the surface. Mind you this is also a clinic full of Windows users and they still say the iPad and MacBook is easier to use during work but they think they would like a Surface at home but won't buy one.
I purchased a Surface Pro 3 for use in our Office 4 months ago. The docs were telling me, bigger screen, touch screen, etc, etc.It was pretty much exactly what they were asking for and thought they wanted.
They still use the iPad2 and a MacBook over the surface. Mind you this is also a clinic full of Windows users and they still say the iPad and MacBook is easier to use during work but they think they would like a Surface at home but won't buy one.
Seeing that this is a response to another response to my post, that wasn't even close to what I was proposing for an Apple convertible.
How? A $1,500 laptop with a detachable screen? Haven't they been around already? And for cheaper that can run Windows 10 very well since it is lightweight OS. I was impressed by some of what Microsoft announced yesterday, but I guess I just don't see why this laptop is such incredible innovation. Maybe it's just me.
I prefer much more the concept of the Surface Pro than the Surface Book. The latter feels like a regular convertible laptop, that doesn't even close fully. Oh, and it costs $1500, so hell no. Convertibles are quite silly to be honest, since the keyboard module has to be fat in order to hold the computer in place. Having the keyboard cover thingy is much better. So, no, they didn't crush anything by Apple, but Apple is still being a bit behind in technology to be honest.
OS for work? What a joke. That OS sure kills productivity Big TIME! Hell at work, I always want to punch the screen due to **** glitches, slowdown and crashes I experience with this POS work computer.
You're exactly right which is why Apple clearly separates OS X from iOS. Apple and competent people know that there's no OS that can do both equally good at two completely different applications. That's why Surface is just another failed Piece Of **** device.
M$Hit thinks that a notebook with a touchscreen and a 360 degree flip screen what high end customers want, but in reality, people who buy expensive gadgets would never stain their precious gadgets with oils, grease etc. Surface Book is DOA since it never runs OS X which is what rich and competent people buy not a POS worthless OS like Windoze.
Frankly you have no idea what you are talking about, neither OS would depreciate the other running on the same device, as long as the input was aligned with the OS...
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If M**** allows their Surface to be fully compatible with hackintosh by simply formatting and installing OS X, they probably can take huge chuncks of profits from Apple. A Surface without OS X is just a **** device.
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Except... they can't. It's against Apple's terms and conditions or whatever.
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Think about your statement, what you are inferring is that the potential iPad Pro owners won't use it, in fear of smudging the display, seriously go "Hate" somewhere else...
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If we consider the rMBP as a good all round laptop and the rMB as niche product for those who almost put portability above all else then what's wrong with MS producing niche products like the new surface pro 4 that may have a slightly broader appeal for those who want to be in both camps of portability/tablet and laptop ish mode
If anything the surface book is less niche as you can simple ignore the detachability or touch screen etc and just treat it as a laptop, certainly those who love to and can afford to over spec this gives a wide spectrum of options and even if you never use touch, pen etc the fact that you can is more than enough to persuade many IMO
If anything the surface book is less niche as you can simple ignore the detachability or touch screen etc and just treat it as a laptop, certainly those who love to and can afford to over spec this gives a wide spectrum of options and even if you never use touch, pen etc the fact that you can is more than enough to persuade many IMO
Nope. It's deprecating for Apple to reboot the device just to run OS X or iOS (x86 port) on one device. They have to rewrite a huge chunk of code if they need to run them side by side. However, merging a tablet/phone OS and a desktop OS never ends up well since that device will neither work perfectly as a tablet and as a laptop. Surface PO**** device has already demonstrated that. Apple knows it already so this iOS/OS X merging is just a failed concept.
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You can load OS X on the surface pro. I don't see that affecting Apple's bottom line yet.