Nah IMO. People with huge $$$ buy a Mac and not a POS Windoze device since people spend money to have a perfect hardware/software reliability not some glitchy overpriced POS Windoze device.
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Nah IMO. People with huge $$$ buy a Mac and not a POS Windoze device since people spend money to have a perfect hardware/software reliability not some glitchy overpriced POS Windoze device.
You know what I hate more than POS Windowze? People who call all Windows machines "POS Windowze". Windows is a very complex system that is difficult to make it work properly because it's just too large. People who build PCs are very advanced people who want to save money for more expensive parts. Surfaces are made by Microsoft, and thus the software is free of bloat and drivers. Seriously, I respect your opinion, but you probably should stop with the hate.
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iPad Pro is a device that meant to be touched on the screen as it's a digital artists device while a laptop is for productivity use. Clearly people who spend huge money on a laptop, far above the iPad Pro price, will use a Wacom digital drawing pad than smudge the screen with their fingers.
Even if Windoze is clean installed, it's still so unstable unless your a tinkerer who loves playing with OS. People today don't have time to make things work OOTB and Windoze even on its 10th version still don't provide perfect OOTB and long time premium/stable user experience unlike OS X.
Who say`s that you have to reboot, certainly no need in Microsoft`s ecology. Apple knows that they can manipulate the "iSheep" to buy more of the same product which is exactly what they want; lower R&D, less investment, greater margins. Surface 1 & 2 was problematic, equally I have yet to meet anyone unhappy with their Surface Pro 3, as long as the Surface Book/Pro 4 meets expectations Microsoft`s footprint will grow.
FWIW IOS & OS X have never been more merged. I buy what works for me, not blindly follow, nor do I partially care for Microsoft ...
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"Drag around the keyboard": If the Apple Convertible had a detachable screen, in order to be thin enough, the power supply would have to be in the keyboard base. When I take my iPad places, I don't need to worry about any appendages.
"I don't like OSX": If Apple demoted it's iPad to the upper half of a convertible MacBook, then the OS would be OSX and no one in Windows-land wants anything to do with OSX. We like iOS.
"Run processes that eat the battery": See above about OSX.
Clear?
BJ
Read my post. You obviously did not. Again, that is NOT what I was proposing.
EDIT: just because it seems so difficult for you, here's the OP:
It's a full-battery iOS device that docks into a OS X base.
And of course I was talking about the future, as per the title, regarding new Macs:
I know I'm talking about years into the future, but my point is, there comes a day when processors and batteries advance beyond a stage of marginal returns. Notebooks can't get any appreciably faster or thinner (not speaking for everyone) - then what do you do? It is at this point when Microsoft's vision comes into play. It seems that MS often finds itself almost too far ahead of the curve, and I'm not sure if that's a good thing for them, but personally, it keeps my dreams alive.
I'm not even saying it's gonna happen anytime soon. But as soon as it does, I'd be the first to jump in on it.
Clear?
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As a 20 year Windows user I can tell you that my operating system never gives me any problems. The issue is that the IT departments for Fortune 500 companies gravitate to the lowest common denominator and so most workplaces use old equipment and old software. And that's what kills productivity.
I type this response from the 2012 notebook my company provided me running Windows 7 and Office 2007. That's what my IT department supports so that's what we run. And when I think of all the partner companies I do business with here in the US, in Asia, and in Europe, I've never seen someone running anything newer than Windows 7 let alone Windows 10. And then there's anti-virus and anti-phishing and daily backups, all so some low-level IT guy doesn't get fired. It's prison.
The reason I own a Retina MacBook running Windows 10 is because when I'm out of the office and working on the road or from home I want the lightest/sleekest hardware and the newest/updated operating system to get away from the IT mess at work. It's a luxury- I paid the $ out of my own pocket for the notebook, the OS, and the applications. This is how it is in corporate America with the archaic rules around "enterprise" and what an IT department is currently defined as.
So don't blame Microsoft, don't blame Windows. Blame old equipment and old software that IT leeches refuse to let go of. It's a miracle most of us are allowed to use iPhone's at work.
BJ
News Flash: The PC Operating System War ended five years ago. Windows won. To this day, despite the historic explosion of Apple hardware and Apple mobile devices, 93% of the world runs Windows on its desktops. In fact, Windows 10, only 6 weeks old, already has larger market share than OSX despite it's 20 year head start. It's time to stop your line of thinking.
Reality Check: "Rich and competent people" don't buy an operating system. They buy a notebook, they buy a phone.
I have no skin in this game either way. I adore Apple hardware and I am very comfortable with Windows software. I get to choose what hardware to use in my personal life, I get forced into the OS in my work life. So it's a sleek RMB for my hardware, sleek Windows 10 for my OS, life is good. When you step out of your 1997 time warp, let me know, we can have a real conversation.
BJ
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You can say the same for iOS 9 vs Android Lollipop. I wouldn't go so far as to say iOS 'won'.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that market share isn't everything. OS X still has a very viable developer community that pushes out innovative solutions. Even large software companies are still largely invested in developing for OS X, except for some professional use cases, obviously.
Don't forget Drives are removed USB's are disabled, you can't install your own software or even updates of installed apps, no customisation or screen savers
It's not difficult. When unremarkable posts are made I tend to pay less attention.
So a battery and power supply big enough to run a full notebook would be placed in the screen-portion of a convertible along with two discreet operating systems along with clumsy hinges and the need to protect the screen from it's runaway keyboard. As stated, I wouldn't want the world's heaviest tablet just because it can magically become a screen on a notebook. Apparently, Apple didn't want it either. There's a reason the RMB and the iPad Pro were developed concurrently by the one company on the planet best suited to execute a 'convertible' if that's what consumers really wanted.
You may want to build it yourself then.
Yes. Clear that you don't understand what consumers want. For the most part this product exists. And it doesn't sell.
BJ
I'm not anti-OSX. I'm pro-Windows. 100% of my hardware is Apple: RMB, MBA, MBP, iMac, iPhone's, iPad's, Apple TV's, iPod's, you name it.
93% of the universe runs Windows so too must I. iOS is excellent, Windows 10 is very good, I'm in a good place, be happy for me.
BJ
I'm just gonna ignore how ungracious you're being.
Your selective reading is amazing:
"I know I'm talking about years into the future, but my point is, there comes a day when processors and batteries advance beyond a stage of marginal returns. Notebooks can't get any appreciably faster or thinner (not speaking for everyone) - then what do you do? It is at this point when Microsoft's vision comes into play."
In short, you're talking about the present and the limitations we face. I am, and always have been, talking about the future, and what could be.
Please read.
1. I didn't say it would happen, but if it were to, I'd be happy. Not saying ANYTHING about it being marketable/feasible.
2. I said I would jump in on that, not anyone else. Just my PERSONAL dream device.
But there you go, expressing your opinion regarding something that is so far from what I was describing in the first place. And when called out on it, you just keep shifting the goalposts (i.e. talking about how I need to build it myself, and how it's not in line with consumer wants).
Here's my first post again:
I made absolutely no allusions whatsoever to anyone else needing this device, or that this device makes business sense. It's just what I'd love to see in my personal machine.
And when you responded with the following, I just wanted to let you know that you weren't talking about the same device I was proposing:
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I hope it stays that way. If the only thing different about the rMB was a touch screen that had an iOS mode, then that wouldn't be too bad. But even what Louis was suggesting (a full-battery iOS device that docks into an OS X base), I'd run far away from that.
I do agree that sometimes Apple does get behind on hardware. Apple could make their laptop line be so much more, but they choose to stay minimal with it. Maybe if Macs sold more. Nowadays everything is about iOS. Honestly, Macs are why I love Apple.
And I think it's clear that going forward, nothing is going to change. OS X and iOS will continue to be separated, and they will borrow hardware/software features from each other as needed. I'm interested in seeing the rMB grow into a more powerful device, it's my workhorse just like all my previous Macs were.
I'll continue to be grateful that Apple still offers us a real desktop OS experience.
It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma. While you're dreaming of future flux-capacitated devices that your great-great-great grandchildren might enjoy as they cruise the stars at Warp Nine, please come up with something that lets me score Ariana Grande by this Christmas.
BJ
Windows blows
Anyway, to each their own.
I have Surface stuff. To be honest, it WAS fantastic. But they dropped Wacom. BIG mistake IMHO.
The pen they have presently (on the 3) I don't like. I'm thinking the Apple pencil may be better (In a number of ways).
Then again, things change, and apparently they have (MS) a new pen design.
Anyway, to each their own.
I have Surface stuff. To be honest, it WAS fantastic. But they dropped Wacom. BIG mistake IMHO.
The pen they have presently (on the 3) I don't like. I'm thinking the Apple pencil may be better (In a number of ways).
Then again, things change, and apparently they have (MS) a new pen design.
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This is silly. Most people aren't expected to buy both.
"Might be" is an empty phrase.
And they are missing out on craptastic 2-in-1 sales, like they missed out on craptastic netbook sales.
You are arguing against yourself.
And it's entirely conceivable it won't be. Again, an empty phrase.
Again with the future. Right now, Apple's choices are proven to be the correct choice. The market has rewarded them for it.
The future may change, but if it does, Apple will follow suit as needed. But today? Surface Book is a turd. It'll make a handful of nerds happy, but normal humans aren't going to buy them over Macs and iPads.
Stop. It's an operating system. It can't 'blow'. It just exists. It's like vanilla ice cream. For what an operating system is, Windows 10 is solid and that's all it needs to be.
BJ
Nailed it. Fact is that mid-high market aren't interested in 2-in-1 or hybrids like Surface. Either they are mostly hard core gamers or professionals who needs a workstation level computer or a students that depend on a extremely reliable device such as a Mac with OS X.
I hope you were joking about that. Windows doesn't have the software I need, thus why I run OS X.