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I don’t see where it claims to have white gold. The case is stainless steel with DLC. Maybe the hands? Anyway, my criticism is the churlishness of conceiving this and then following through. Certainly not how I would spend my money, were I to have it spend that way. Not sympathetic to overpriced anything, but there is a point where if it’s worth it, you will pay for it.
You are right. I had the "normal" Moser watches in mind, which are usually (white)gold.
 
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I have been involved in the creation of 2 mechanical watches. We are brainstorming a 3rd watch and had thought about making it compatible with Apple straps, but decided it was to risky. Note that you can find plenty of cheap Apple compatible straps but no 3rd party watch that is compatible. A bit of a pity because the Apple straps are fabulous.

Wow, it's cool that you actually thought about it and such a pity that it won't happen! The Apple straps are indeed superb and the system to change them so easily is really, really awesome (which is why I have 100+ of them), I for one would absolutely love to get a mechanical watch – as a watch for "dressier" occasions – that was compatible with these straps. With tens of millions of Apple Watch wearers, there would surely be a big enough market for such a device. Maybe one day someone will risk/try this.
 
Love or hate the various smart watch and activity trackers, they are conquering most of the space that all digital and mechanical watches used to occupy.

Why? Because most if not all offer far more features than any mechanical watch offers and, even more importantly, come in at a far lower price, and even on various downpayment plans when purchased with a cellular plan(sometimes even without).

Feature rich watches used to be unattainable for the middle and lower class. Smart watches changed that and no statements on mindfulness can change that.

Also, if you want a "mindfulness" style smart watch you can simply buy any Apple Watch and turn off all notifications and not use any apps. That'll just be a few hundreds dollars at (excluding the Herms AWs).

No need to rob a bank and throw 30k on a mechanical AW clone.

I get the statement they’re making and I’m not pretending a battery-powered AW will run longer than a mechanical watch.

But there’s no way you can convince a digital world to invest in analog technology, unless it’s to make a fashion/wealth statement.

You can’t impress the digital generation with materials, accuracy or longevity when the price is this steep and the number of features and overall functionality this low.
 
I mean like how dare someone be successful and wealthy. How does this mean that someone is only looking out for them selves. $30k for many isn’t that much money. Lots for me thought
Successful and weathy by what means. That's the question.. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. :)

Those $30K pay for the food and shelter of a lot of people, from those that mine the primary material, to those that assemble the pieces, to those who move the pieces from one side to the other, to those that advertise the item. So yes, $30K is a lot for many of us, but most of the cost is material (it's not built with cheap plastic...), and production and assembly. Thanks to items like this, we don't have more people looking for food in the streets exactly as thanks to many other cheaper items we don't have more people looking for food.
However, if someone feel compelled to pauperism about useless stuff, they might lead by example by selling their Apple stuff, canceling their streaming subscriptions, etc.
Yes, if we presume that people were involved to assembly and produce this product, we can say 30K paid their work. However, it's very possible this product to be assembled by robots, so the human work can be turned into pure profit.

The same can be said for any car, that is more expensive than 10000 Dollars or Euros.
Well then you know what I'm going to say about any car... The industry need to change, toward people getting richer, not the richer get richer. That was my point. Ain't gonna happen, I know.. Still saying :)
 
Yes, if we presume that people were involved to assembly and produce this product, we can say 30K paid their work. However, it's very possible this product to be assembled by robots, so the human work can be turned into pure profit.

I think that's highly unlikely. These kinds of ultra-expensive watches in small editions are still made with a lot of manual labour. With a production run of only 50 devices, tooling and programming a robotic assembly line wouldn't make economical sense.

The problem for mechanical watch makers is that their skills have become increasingly pointless from a practical perspective. I admire the precision engineering that goes into creating a complex mechanical watch, but at this point it has about as much real-world use as someone trying to set yet another land-speed record.

That's why they have to rely on these kinds of irrational sales pitches: They're not selling watches, they're selling emotions and a sense of superiority. Which Apple isn't above doing, either, of course, but in Apple's case it's to justify their premium pricing – with mechanical watch makers, it's to justify their product's existence.
 
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Yes, if we presume that people were involved to assembly and produce this product, we can say 30K paid their work. However, it's very possible this product to be assembled by robots, so the human work can be turned into pure profit.

Very unlikely that a specialized product of limited release of this kind is assembled by robots.
At any rate,
1) assembly is certainly not the only production element
2) robots too must be assembled, programmed, designed, maintained, transported, and produced. To do all of that, lots and lots of people are involved. So your $200,000 robot pays for a lot of human involvement and creativity.
 
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It’s true, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I bought my Apple Watch for its functionality, not for its looks.

If Apple Watch never existed and someone designed a watch matching its design, I wouldn’t buy it.

But again everyone’s tastes vary.
It is not about beauty being in the eye of the beholder, it is about what associations a design evokes, which are created by the functionality and usage of its reference object. People using an Apple Watch have developed positive feelings for it which subconsciously get transferred to its design. The same applies similarly to those who haven’t used it yet but either consciously want or just have observed a lot of other people with an Apple Watch.
 
Successful and weathy by what means. That's the question.. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. :)
Why does it matter?

Why does it bother you if my parents made millions(they didn’t make a fortune but are very successful)and left it to their children. If that’s what you meant.

Im sure that you would donate your inheritance to charity and not spend it. 🙄
 
Thatks actually a very cool watch.. Not loving the band but that's easy to replace..

The Twotimer came in about 5 different colors. Maybe the translucent design, see through face, white box and color choices influenced the original iMac. I can’t think of an earlier example of the concept, look and feel.
 
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Why does it matter?

Why does it bother you if my parents made millions(they didn’t make a fortune but are very successful)and left it to their children. If that’s what you meant.

Im sure that you would donate your inheritance to charity and not spend it. 🙄
That's not what I meant. Obviously you just don't want to know how someone got rich, it's not always with the right means. If we could become richer with fair means and work, everyone would be richer, but unfortunately that's not how they play this game.
 
Very unlikely that a specialized product of limited release of this kind is assembled by robots.
At any rate,
1) assembly is certainly not the only production element
2) robots too must be assembled, programmed, designed, maintained, transported, and produced. To do all of that, lots and lots of people are involved. So your $200,000 robot pays for a lot of human involvement and creativity.
We can only speculate. The fact that it is SWISS, makes me doubt their practise even more, no matter what. You can support them all you want by buying one. I won't waste those money if I had them. :)
 
That's not what I meant. Obviously you just don't want to know how someone got rich, it's not always with the right means. If we could become richer with fair means and work, everyone would be richer, but unfortunately that's not how they play this game.
What’s the wrong means? Illegal money?

or are you talking about the rich getting richer? That’s life I’m afraid. It’s easy to make money when you already have some.
 
You used the expression “virtue signal” ... roll eyes indeed.
It’s interesting that you’re critical of the term “virtue signaling”. While I’ll admit that it was popularized, maybe even coined, to be a pejorative as a solitary commentary against a differing viewpoint, I feel like it’s true that everyone does it. People do it with the clothes they wear, the slogans, teams, candidate stickers they put on their cars and the public statements one makes, whether it’s for this or against that. Everyone does it but for differing reasons. Heck you just did it using that link to criticize me using it.
 
News flash: Apple were not the first company to make a rectangular watch and won’t be the last. Apple pulled inspiration from the watch industry in the first place!

I don’t think I’d appreciate spending £30k on that one though when it looks like my cheap Apple Watch lol. Stunning movement though. I need to wear my mechanicals more! I get so many compliments now everybody is used to smartwatches.

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