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"How does the industry intend to secure" my phone "if it is directly connecting to a 5g network?"
I'm not sure that it is the same problem albeit you try to make it seem the same. is it technically the same problem? Currently if I want to look at my front door camera on secure HomeKit video, the data never leaves my home network as I understand it. That is significantly different than sending data via 5g to towers, and getting it back, right?

I mean just in terms of how many devices that data touches and how many transfers it makes, right?

I'm not saying you are wrong - educate me. Explain how the security solutions are the same.
 
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Always avoid Autopay when possible. Once you let a corporation into your bank account, it's difficult to get them out. They can take your money (i.e. after service cancellation or in the event of disputes) and the burden is on you to try and get it back. When you pay through traditional invoice/payment, YOU are always in control - if there is a dispute, you don't pay and they have to try and get it.

Anyone with half a brain doesn't allow direct access to a checking/savings account with or without autopay. There are these devices called debit and credit cards, or PayPal.
 
Always avoid Autopay when possible. Once you let a corporation into your bank account, it's difficult to get them out. They can take your money (i.e. after service cancellation or in the event of disputes) and the burden is on you to try and get it back. When you pay through traditional invoice/payment, YOU are always in control - if there is a dispute, you don't pay and they have to try and get it.
Nothing wrong with autopay on a credit card. I do agree about not giving direct access to one's checking account.
 
I would believe you if your comment had arrived in a month or so.

I wonder how the plan would handle portability? There could be real value in being able to take it with you on vacation or even to a second home.
It seems, from the TOS, as long as you stay on TMob’s network they don’t care, but if you roam too much they can cancel service. Seems fair to me.

Update: It seems, per the FAQ, to be location specific.

No way it'll be truly unlimited or un-throttled. If anything it'll be one of those where they'll do it at first, to get people in the door, then make the change later on. Happens with every carrier.
Having been on TMob for a number of years , unless you really burn through data they don’t throttle. They do say in the TOS they can based on usage and network congestion.
 
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Always avoid Autopay when possible. Once you let a corporation into your bank account, it's difficult to get them out. They can take your money (i.e. after service cancellation or in the event of disputes) and the burden is on you to try and get it back. When you pay through traditional invoice/payment, YOU are always in control - if there is a dispute, you don't pay and they have to try and get it.

Anyone with half a brain doesn't allow direct access to a checking/savings account with or without autopay. There are these devices called debit and credit cards, or PayPal.

Nothing wrong with autopay on a credit card. I do agree about not giving direct access to one's checking account.
Exactly—credit cards offer the ability to dispute transactions and don’t draw directly from your funds. Even better, use a card with rewards and make a little extra something from the payment.
 
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I'm not sure that it is the same problem albeit you try to make it seem the same. is it technically the same problem?

I'm not saying you are wrong - educate me. Explain how the security solutions are the same.

Your data is encrypted (at least on iOS) so that when you send someone a private message, or you sync your photos and videos to iCloud, or you file your taxes or bank on your phone, these communications can’t be intercepted by your data provider. Encryption in a security camera/light bulb/printer/smart watch/dog collar is no different.

If you’re comfortable having your most personal device connected to a cellular network, then having other smart devices devices connected is just as secure.

Currently if I want to look at my front door camera on secure HomeKit video, the data never leaves my home network as I understand it. That is significantly different than sending data via 5g to towers, and getting it back, right?

Of course it leaves your network. How do you think you’re able to see your home camera when you’re across the city/country/world? If you’re ok with your home camera being shown on your iPhone which is connected via a cellular network, then there’s no difference having your camera connect directly to that cellular network itself, rather than go through a home router and connected by wire to an internet service provider and then sent to your iPhone via a cellular network.

The benefit of HomeKit Secure video is that it’s encrypted in a place you trust (Apple) rather than having to rely on some random assortment of companies that sold you the camera, door bell, etc. But the data certainly leaves your home network.
 
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But that means every single devices will need to have a cellular plan. For stationary devices like lightbulbs and printers, cellular connectivity is just an overkill. These devices should share a single Internet service.
That's the point, it won't be overkill. It'll be cheap enough to work.
 
Always avoid Autopay when possible. Once you let a corporation into your bank account, it's difficult to get them out. They can take your money (i.e. after service cancellation or in the event of disputes) and the burden is on you to try and get it back. When you pay through traditional invoice/payment, YOU are always in control - if there is a dispute, you don't pay and they have to try and get it.
That was my strategy until I missed too many payments and started getting late fees. Of course I don't give direct bank access, though.
 
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Don't forget, even when we had Net Neutrality, wireless was exempt.
And T-Mobile was the pioneer in making things non-neutral, starting with certain video streaming sites not counting against the cap.

The thing about Net Neutrality is it's made to sound good without people even knowing what it means, but all the policies that actually violate it will also look good to those people. Freedom isn't free.
 
Your data is encrypted (at least on iOS) so that when you send someone a private message, or you sync your photos and videos to iCloud, or you file your taxes or bank on your phone, these communications can’t be intercepted by your data provider. Encryption in a security camera/light bulb/printer/smart watch/dog collar is no different.

If you’re comfortable having your most personal device connected to a cellular network, then having other smart devices devices connected is just as secure.



Of course it leaves your network. How do you think you’re able to see your home camera when you’re across the city/country/world? If you’re ok with your home camera being shown on your iPhone which is connected via a cellular network, then there’s no difference having your camera connect directly to that cellular network itself, rather than go through a home router and connected by wire to an internet service provider and then sent to your iPhone via a cellular network.

The benefit of HomeKit Secure video is that it’s encrypted in a place you trust (Apple) rather than having to rely on some random assortment of companies that sold you the camera, door bell, etc. But the data certainly leaves your home network.
I just disagree with the premise that it is just as secure.

I have work files that I will transfer on my lan from one home device to another. I will not do that if they have to go elsewhere unless I am using an explicitly secure protocol to share them. There is inherent risk by adding all of these things. They may not matter to you and they may not be relevant to HomeKit Secure video (thanks for that bTW), but if you work with sensitive data... this is less secure and will not fit all workflows. Obviously there are easy workarounds here like keep your lan AND have this.. yeah agree, that's not the same as one replacing the other. That's one adding more value but not a full overlap of value.

Additionally, I disagree with your premise that if your phone is cellular connected and you store data on it that you should be ok with this.

Multiplying endpoints that are connected to the internet more directly without a doubt will have some risk impact to it.

In terms of UX and workflow - you are right and I agree with you, 5g will be a game changer at the consumer level (and business in other ways as well). All that promised, however, is not a risk-free trade. And we are literally just getting started on the general population starting to have ANY idea at privacy and security for their non-5g burgeoning home networks.

Change will happen at a far slower pace than you may wish or desire because of these risks - that's what I think anyway.
 
5G coverage is still pretty terrible in my area and I get a decent price on AT&T Fiber, but once coverage improves and if AT&T suddenly starts overcharging me I can definitely see myself looking into something like this.

That half-off Mini offer with ANY older phone is kinda nuts, btw.
 
Surprise. Not in my area. :rolleyes:
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Tmobile is a waste cause if you in the middle of no where with no cell service 5G is not going to work. Better off with starlink which you can pre order now
 
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