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T-Mobile To Offer Android-Based Phone By Christmas

SiliconAddict said:
Lets examine this outright biased retarded comment

1. Only a handful of people in the freaking world have seen the dream in prototype format. So you are calling it cheap and flimsy based on???? Oh I forgot. You are a zealot. Next.

2. Android buggy? Like iPhone has been since day one? Next.

3. So I guess the iHype's screen is never dirty? I guess that is why Apple packages a cleaning cloth with the thing. Right. And where the heck are you getting this FUD that it has a texture? If true I welcome it. Some form of feedback other then a slick glass surface would be welcome. But hey. Its not Apple so obviously its not a good idea.

I'm so sick of the handful of zealots destroying Apple for the rest of us. Instead of treating Apple as just another company, who should be held up to the spotlight and told YOU ARE WRONG when they do questionable things, people have to suck up to them. Instead of calling Apple out for a bad decision, they justify their actions.
Why is it that the fracking fanbois have to come out of the woodworks anytime a competitor shows up. Are you that insecure about your OS\Device\Hardware\Company that you have to start flinging poo every time something new comes out that is remotely like the iWhatever?
Here's an original concept: Think for yourself. Instead of letting unkie Steve think for you. Neither the Dream nor Android are out. Both look promising, however unlike you I'm not condemning it until I see it in person. However I have formed an opinion on the iPhone based on use of a friends over the weekend and simply Apple's craptastical business practices.
My opinion is based on fact. Yours is based on what someone tells you to think. Who's do you think is better and doesn't come off as a zealot. So in short: Grow up....please.
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To answer your question, I think the 'zealots' is better because Apple has a track record of actually making great products. Google has a track record of dominating in search and then creating a bunch of products in other areas that fail to dominate.
 
Dontdothat317 said:
true.. but who wants to be just like the masses? :cool: The Iphone does an exceptional job of keeping it simple.. and restricted.
For me, when all is said and done, it boils down to functionality that doesn't void your warranty. The Iphone 3G is a great device and I am still definately considering getting one, but I need to see what this HTC Dream and the HTC Touch Pro have to offer over the Iphone 3G and ATT Tilt/HTC Kaiser
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My guess is Google wants to be just like the masses seeing as how the company isn't a Goth high school clique that just wants to be different to be different. Being like the masses means the masses will buy your product. Or maybe you think Google wants Android to achieve only niche success?
 
IJ Reilly said:
That's great, so long as no applications are installed. Once applications are installed, anything can happen. Apple has instituted controls that will prevent malicious applications from proliferating even if they are created. What has Google done?
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I don't know. I'm not an expert on Android. Maybe they did something or maybe they left it up to the provider. However, let's say you find an expert on Android. He will probably tell you all you could ever care to know about the security of Android. Now find an expert on the iPhone security. He will tell you next to nothing.

When people pointed out that full system privileges for all applications on the iPhone (including safari) was a very bad idea the answer from Apple was: silence.

See the difference?

I would say there's really no basis to the belief that it's easier to make a secure open source platform than a secure closed one.
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You think it is a coincidence that the most secure platforms today are also open-source?
 
NDPTAL85 said:
To answer your question, I think the 'zealots' is better because Apple has a track record of actually making great products. Google has a track record of dominating in search and then creating a bunch of products in other areas that fail to dominate.
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In other words:

Dominating products:

Google: 2 (search, advertising)
Apple: 1 (iPod)
 
Even if the Anroid can do everything better than the iPhone the simple fact it wont have easy iTunes/Mac integration will be why I wont be getting one.
 
macsmurf said:
In other words:

Dominating products:

Google: 2 (search, advertising)
Apple: 1 (iPod)
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Apple: 3 (iPod, obviously; iTunes Store, #1 music retailer in the US; Apple Retail Stores, #1 in revenue per square foot of any retail chain in the US)
 
Silencio said:
Apple: 3 (iPod, obviously; iTunes Store, #1 music retailer in the US; Apple Retail Stores, #1 in revenue per square foot of any retail chain in the US)
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Well, I was thinking globally, but Apple has definitely done a lot of things right.
I'm not really sure how well iTunes is doing in Europe, and I think the nearest Apple Store is in London (I live in Denmark)
 
macsmurf said:
You think it is a coincidence that the most secure platforms today are also open-source?
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Probably, even if this is true, which I don't believe it is necessarily.

As I pointed out, once an application is installed, anything can happen. Apple has created a limited means of developing and installing applications and the kill-switch to disable rogue applications if they ever get through. I don't see that Android has any similar feature, and given that it's going to be licensed to all comers suggests that such a method isn't going to be possible.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Probably, even if this is true, which I don't believe it is necessarily.

As I pointed out, once an application is installed, anything can happen.
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Not true. An exploit in an application can (at most) run arbitrary code with the same rights as the application. To really mess things up (on a sane OS) the exploiter will need to penetrate an extra layer of security around the administrative functions. However, if you run your applications with root privileges, as it seems to be the case with the iPhone, you're right. Google hopefully has a healthier respect for security than Apple apparently has.

When it comes to Android, the security mechanisms seem to be fairly well documented here: http://code.google.com/android/devel/security.html

Apple has created a limited means of developing and installing applications and the kill-switch to disable rogue applications if they ever get through.
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What happens when the rogue application disables the kill switch? What about applications that aren't rogue but buggy? In order to answer this you will need full-disclosure from Apple, which probably isn't forthcoming.

I don't see that Android has any similar feature, and given that it's going to be licensed to all comers suggests that such a method isn't going to be possible.
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What stops Nokia from implementing this if they want?
 
I think you're surmising a lot on the basis of very limited information. The point I've been trying to make is that (1) "open" is not a term with a fixed definition ("open source" is just one of them), and (2) "open source" does not necessarily solve all problems, and potentially creates a few others.
 
IJ Reilly said:
I think you're surmising a lot on the basis of very limited information. The point I've been trying to make is that (1) "open" is not a term with a fixed definition ("open source" is just one of them)
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True, but again I don't see why that's relevant. With regards to Android, the license in question is Apache v2 which is very similar to the BSD license.

This license basically gives you the right to use the code as is or modify it and use it commercially. There is no obligation to publish the modifications.

, and (2) "open source" does not necessarily solve all problems, and potentially creates a few others.
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Well, I never said it did, and I never said new problems cannot arise because it is open source (although I'm at a loss to think of one). Security, however, isn't one of them.
 
I'm potentially really excited about Android. For some reason I wasn't expecting the interface to look that polished (at least I think it does...hard to tell from that video). The great thing is it's an open platform, and it should be available from a lot more carriers. May end up suiting me a lot better than the iPhone, since it lacks software I need and doesn't run on a carrier I would use.
 
Worthless. Can't think of any other way to describe it.

The Android phone has no potential whatsoever. The iPhone has already killed it and will only continue to blow it away.

T-Mobile App Store? LOL please. How attractive sounding. We have our own "app store" with t-mobile quality. LOL.

It'll never work. This has FLOP written on it in big bold letters.
 
People are so concerned about "But Google hasn't put any safe guards into Android to prevent rouge applications"....

... yet these people will go onto macupdate.com or versiontracker.com and download an OSX app without batting an eye lid!!!

Who is to say that OSX App 1.0 doesn't send your AddressBook and send it across the internet...

iPod App == OSX App.

( Yes, people will say virus checker / Little Snitch, but not everyone uses these apps, and Little Snitch doesn't describe the contents being transmitted, only that a request is being made to a particular URL ).
 
Stella said:
People are so concerned about "But Google hasn't put any safe guards into Android to prevent rouge applications"....
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Actually, according to the documentation they have - to some degree.

... yet these people will go onto macupdate.com or versiontracker.com and download an OSX app without batting an eye lid!!!

Who is to say that OSX App 1.0 doesn't send your AddressBook and send it across the internet...
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Well, Apple likes to keep information like that secret. Not sure why.
 
That's why it's shiny like a mirror

Stella said:
People are so concerned about "But Google hasn't put any safe guards into Android to prevent rouge applications".
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One advantage of the glossy glass screen -- it doubles as a mirror to help with the application of rouge, lipstick, eye shadow and other makeup.
 
macsmurf said:
Well, I never said it did, and I never said new problems cannot arise because it is open source (although I'm at a loss to think of one). Security, however, isn't one of them.
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I realize, but I also don't accept that open source is automatically more secure than proprietary code. This threadlet got started when someone suggested that the Android OS was going to be good because it's "open." My question is "why?" I don't think I've seen an answer but I believe the question has been beaten to death anyway.
 
Rot'nApple said:
Yeah, like hit the icon buttons two, three, four times before activation.
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You should have seen the alpha versions of the Iphone! :eek:

Seriously though, this is a poor video of an early prototype. Don't write Android off just because of a few odd things.

Android won't kill the Iphone. Apple's tight-fisted control freak business model will kill the Iphone.

If Android is 90% as good (meaning the user experience) as the Iphone, Apple will have to go back to being an MP3 music player company. The "closed" Iphone development/appstore model will die.
 
Otaviano said:
I hate the fanboys!!!!!

You want to know what's slow? The contact app on my retail iPhone. You might want to hold off judgement on it until it's released, certainly until something better than a blurry YouTube video surfaces.
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Well they will always improve the iPhone with updates.
I don't know what you mean by Fanboys I'm not a fan of any of this **** nor do I own an iPhone, they haven't perfected anything yet, still waiting for that day to come but I won't hold my breath.
 
Frisco said:
Outside of search and advertising Google stinks!
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What the hell else do you need? you're making it sound like there is something hugely missing from what they offer.

No, I don't want **** like yahoo with their 'portal' - people who like 'portals' can cram them somewhere uncomfortable.
 
I'm intrigued enough by Android and disappointed enough by both the iPhone and Crackberry that I'll postpone my switch from September until January.

Count me among those folks whom likes the idea of an open platform. I'm willing to consider a closed platform provided that it offers additional benefit and utility over its open brethren. Otherwise, I'll take the added flexibility and security any day.
 
3G not necessarily better

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/525177/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/545387/

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1662678&tstart=0

For some of you, please at least read those threads first before you can even say that iPhone 3G is down-right better than this HTC phone or others. There's also another thread comparing performance of iPhone 3G to other 3G phones in the same location, and 3G is simply just worse. However, I couldn't find this thread at this point. I have an iPhone myself too, and I bet some of you have had problems mentioned in those threads or even made some complain. I like my iPhone too, but it's only reasonable to think that sooner or later something (not named iPhone 4G) better will come up.
 
Techno Porn

I felt dirty after watching that video, what with the soft focus and the heavy breathing. Like some low budget porn. :eek:
 
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