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TM had to ruin it with 3G tethering speeds. Everything else I can live with, but when traveling, I frequently use my phone as a hotspot when the hotel WIFI speed sucks so my laptop has decent internet (cellular speed almost always surpasses the in-house wifi speed) but tethering at 3G would just be a fail for me. Why didn't they leave the plan at 7GB LTE tethered data per month like the previous plan (which I have now, unlimited data + 7GB LTE tethering)?
 
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Some people say that 256kbps AAC is the same approximate sound quality as 320kbps MP3. Thus, the AAC file of the song will be smaller in size, and use less data to stream, than the same song in MP3 of the same quality.
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Data is not measured in hours.

Better sound quality on A, actually... transparent vs not.

And I think you're missing the point of the post you replied to here with "Data is not measured in hours"... AOL, in the 90s, certainly was. You paid for "hour" of service, that began to tick away as soon as your phone call was answered and the modem handshake was done... "You got mail" was 1 second of those purchased hours...

But don't you see, your other examples are spot on. We do pay for books by the unit consumed - per book. If it was like the internet, you would pay per month for "unlimited books, not to exceed 30 books per month, at which point you will be limited to 5 pages per day."

I can do exactly that with an Audible subscrition... or even better, with a library card, so... so much for that argument...................... and creating false analogies doesn't further an argument, it hinders it. These are not equivalents, wireless carriers are not selling books, nor are Barnes and Noble's selling internet connections. The term "Unlimited Data" means you can use as much data as you want. Nowhere does it say anything about speed, which is a variable that can't be controlled in wireless anyway.

I'm currently on the 2 unlimited lines for $100 plan but it comes to around $120 after taxes. So does the mean the new ONE plan will cost the same as I pay? I'd not switch since my plan doesn't have limitations.

It means you keep your plan, they promised as much on this -- but they add you to the way this is priced. So your price drops from $120 to $100, taxes rolled in to that 100. This is that "Un Contract" thing they stated. They'll never force you to change your plan or raise your bill, but they may lower it.
 
that sucks! I switched in October and didn't get anything.
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Yes it should! I pay for water by the gallon. I pay for electricity by the kilowatt hour. I pay for gas by the gallon. Why should internet, which is like any other utility, be any different? Why not pay per unit used?

Paying per unit incentivizes users and service providers to be efficient. I will try to connect to WiFi whenever possible, and apps like Spotify can compete on data usage (i.e., imagine Spotify advertising same sound quality as Apple Music but uses 25% less data)

Paying for "unlimited" incentivizes waste from both customers and service providers. Why bother compressing the images - customer won't care.

Instead of quoting those other services, you should be asking why are we paying for electricity by the hour - like the Internet, it's NOT a "limited" resource anymore. Gas is a limited commodity so that has to be charged by the gallon but the others Gas and Water really "aren't" in this day and age, at least not in the traditional sense.
 
that sucks! I switched in October and didn't get anything.
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Instead of quoting those other services, you should be asking why are we paying for electricity by the hour - like the Internet, it's NOT a "limited" resource anymore. Gas is a limited commodity so that has to be charged by the gallon but the others Gas and Water really "aren't" in this day and age, at least not in the traditional sense.

Um... what?
 
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I used T-Mobile and coverage sucks. Also employees are rude to an extent.

There aren't a lot of great single user plans out there. I pay $70/month for 4GB of data at Verizon right now.

I don't know if this is because the average pay is higher in the US or not, but...$70 for 4Gb is scam. In my country I pay $19 for 7GB, but only service no device.
 
If I could I would jump on unlimited for 70 a month, in a heart beat. A lot of people would.
It really depends on where you live and where you travel. I went from 2gb with AT&T to 6gb with T-Mobile... sounds like 3 times the data, right? Nope. I can rarely access the internet outside of my home. I'm always sitting in my car outside of stores waiting for several minutes hoping a web page will load so I can find a review or a coupon or the name of whatever product I was researching. It's useless. Plus, they throttle your connection when watching video so your phone will only play it at 480p.

I'm also curious on the details of this statement: "T-Mobile also plans to continue building out its LTE network over the course of 2017, and expects to have LTE available to 320 million at the end of the year, putting it on par with Verizon."

According to T-Mobile, they have LTE available to the cities around me right now, and sure, it says I have signal some of the time, but when it comes to trying to use it, it's unbearable.

I miss the days where my wife used to be able to call me on her drive home from work and I could understand her the whole way. Never garbled and never dropped. T-Mobile is great at marketing. They got me to switch. But I'll be switching to Verizon in the fall. (I would switch now, except we ordered two of the T-Mobile iPhone 7 devices which don't work on Verizon.)
 
Yes it should! I pay for water by the gallon. I pay for electricity by the kilowatt hour. I pay for gas by the gallon. Why should internet, which is like any other utility, be any different? Why not pay per unit used?

Paying per unit incentivizes users and service providers to be efficient. I will try to connect to WiFi whenever possible, and apps like Spotify can compete on data usage (i.e., imagine Spotify advertising same sound quality as Apple Music but uses 25% less data)

Paying for "unlimited" incentivizes waste from both customers and service providers. Why bother compressing the images - customer won't care.


It shouldn't. Internet is no natural resource. $70 a month is too much for many, but a highly-limited internet access is am intolerable hindrance. Before AT&T's introduction of data limits that everyone adopted, there was no such thing as "data limit". As we move ahead, this sort of limitations must be relegated to the past, not the other way around.
 
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It means you keep your plan, they promised as much on this -- but they add you to the way this is priced. So your price drops from $120 to $100, taxes rolled in to that 100. This is that "Un Contract" thing they stated. They'll never force you to change your plan or raise your bill, but they may lower it.

So the taxes included thing applies to the old grandfathered plans as well? My $100/plan will be exactly $100 now?
 
It shouldn't. Internet is no natural resource. $70 a month is too much for many, but a highly-limited internet access is am intolerable hindrance. Before AT&T's introduction of data limits that everyone adopted, there was no such thing as "data limit". As we move ahead, this sort of limitations must be relegated to the past, not the other way around.

First, not all utilities are natural resources. Electricity for example.

Second, you are assuming that your bill will be higher if charged per-unit used. If everything else stays the same, 50% of people will see a lower monthly bill and 50% of people will see a higher monthly bill. The truth is right now the low-usage-users are essentially subsidizing the internet for high-usage-users. The monthly fee we pay now is very roughly the average cost across all users based on usage. I think this is unfair. If you use it more than average, your bill should be more than average. This gives users control, if you want a lower bill, all you have to do is use it less. If I wanted a lower water bill, I could implement a limit of 3 minute showers. I don't want to do that, but if times were tough, I know I could.

Obviously on a tech-centered website this will be an unpopular view. By nature of visiting a tech blog, most folks here are more likely to be high-usage-users. So they know they are above-average users and thus would pay above-average prices under such a scheme. This unpopularity here sort of proves my point though.
 
So the taxes included thing applies to the old grandfathered plans as well? My $100/plan will be exactly $100 now?

That was the promise they were making. I don't know the names of these guys, but the dude with the glasses explained it as such.
 
What about the whole BS about $25 for the HD video? Is that still a thing? Didn't see any mentioned anywhere.
According to this post, it's $15. I haven't checked T-Mobile's website to confirm though.

"Video streams at 480p, and tethering is limited to Max 3G speeds. Higher quality video streaming will require T-Mobile One Plus, which costs an additional $15."

I find it a little funny how they create this image of being so straightforward and honest, when really they seem just as convoluted as the other providers.
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still confused if this includes HD video and/or Tethering.
No HD video. Throttled tethering.

"Video streams at 480p, and tethering is limited to Max 3G speeds. Higher quality video streaming will require T-Mobile One Plus, which costs an additional $15. "
 
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Please note that this includes unlimited everything. It's not a bad deal.


The coverage is the kicker for me. They are getting better, but even though I live in a big city, their coverage is still not as good as ATT or Verizon.

This is the exact reason I am with cricket. Even though my speeds are capped at 8mbps, the coverage is so much better.
 
#'s 1 and 4 seem counter to each other:

1. Mobile internet shouldn't be sold by bits and bytes.
4. You shouldn't have to pay for what you don't use.​

If you're not paying for what you use, how can you not pay for what you don't use.
 
The key here is "family of four". I can't see that $70 a month for a single phone is going to be a big draw for a one-off phone user.
Agree. I'm paying $50/mo now on T-Mobile. Seems like a step backwards IMO.
 
Agree. I'm paying $50/mo now on T-Mobile. Seems like a step backwards IMO.
It looks like Tmo and Sprint want to capitalize on friends who sign up as group/families.

I plan to die with my AT&T unlimited grandfathered plan from my iPhone 2G.
 
I just love how everyone bitches when a company goes against the norm and breaks the rules for the better. I get we all used to have unlimited on every carrier and life was great. But the iPhone and smartphones in general, changed the world and the way we use data. So the carriers had to change to make money. They are in this to make money but it seems that Tmobile is the only carrier in it to make money and give a little about the user too. I have 4 iPhones on Tmobile. I pay $140 a month now for unlimited everything!!!! Beat that with another carrier. You wont!!! Sure, I wish the service was a little stronger in some parts of the city I travel, but it works just about everywhere. Most importantly, it works where I work, at home and the places I travel. It is faster than my home FIOS connection, which is 65 both ways.

The new Tmobile plans are kick ass and if you are on Tmobile and don't embrace them, you're just dumb.
 
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This is the exact reason I am with cricket. Even though my speeds are capped at 8mbps, the coverage is so much better.

I love my Cricket unlimited plan. The 8mbps cap isn't a big deal as I can still stream video just fine. Sometimes video or large gifs will take a minute or two to load but most of the time it isn't an issue. I'd love to be on T-Mobile and get better speeds for a reasonable price but I have no service at my house even though their map says I have LTE service.
 
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I just love how everyone bitches when a company goes against the norm and breaks the rules for the better. I get we all used to have unlimited on every carrier and life was great. But the iPhone and smartphones in general, changed the world and the way we use data. So the carriers had to change to make money. They are in this to make money but it seems that Tmobile is the only carrier in it to make money and give a little about the user too. I have 4 iPhones on Tmobile. I pay $140 a month now for unlimited everything!!!! Beat that with another carrier. You wont!!! Sure, I wish the service was a little stronger in some parts of the city I travel, but it works just about everywhere. Most importantly, it works where I work, at home and the places I travel. It is faster than my home FIOS connection, which is 65 both ways.

The new Tmobile plans are kick ass and if you are on Tmobile and don't embrace them, you're just dumb.
No need to call people dumb. Some people like HD video. I have 6gb with T-Mobile (which is way more than I can possibly use because their coverage is terrible in my area). I see absolutely no need to have unlimited data that I still won't be able to use and low resolution videos.

It's great that T-Mobile has decent coverage where you are, and it sounds like you're making a great decision for you and your family, but it's awful in a lot of other areas. They say they are within 1% of the coverage of Verizon, but that's only saying that they can potentially reach that many people. Not that people will have the same strength of coverage. T-Mobile is utterly terrible in my area of Southern California (IE, not LA). You really do get what you pay for. I'll give you unlimited everything for less than $140 a month, but you have to be in my driveway to get coverage since I just have the one router and no towers. That's obviously an extreme, but T-Mobile gives you unlimited everything for cheaper than the competitors, but with reduced speeds and reduced coverage. It's a budget service.
 
I switched to AT&T in '08 with the iPhone 3G launch, I've been happy with AT&T. I had TM before AT&T, don't miss them. Their coverage, at least in Los Angeles, was awful.
 
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Wow, excellent! I like our phone networks in the UK but there's no real push forward. I was excited to get an o2 contract with 20gb data, unlimited calls+texts for £18/mo. Would love to get unlimited data for that price too. Imagine being able to update apps over the air without any worry, and tick the "high quality" music button on Apple Music... and not worry again.
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Is that standard? That seems incredibly expensive, that's like £33 here but you get 20gb of data instead of 3.

it's standard for prepay and it is pretty competitive here in the states. If you go post pay it would be $10 more. I've been with all the carriers here and now I pretty much stick with pre-pay plans.
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Epic fail, there is nothing finite about water, it just get recirculated and reused. Now this can be expensive if you live in a desert, but if expense is a problem then you shouldn't live in a desert. Too much indoctrination going on.

Then tell California that water is a infinite source... hahaha You really can only say water is infinite if you have the capability of easily sourcing it to you otherwise it does become a finite. You have to factor in the costs of an infrastructure of delivering the source to you. Cost always gets passed down to the next buck in line.
 
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