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So the taxes included thing applies to the old grandfathered plans as well? My $100/plan will be exactly $100 now?

I'm pretty sure no. You have to be on T-Mobile One in order to get it.

As a matter of fact, people that are currently on T-Mobile One can stay and not migrate to the new plan if they so please.
 
Tell that to California.

One who lives in a desert and expects water to be free and/or plentiful is a fool, but that does not change the fact that water does not leave the planet and does not in normal human usage change or degrade into something else. Its still water and its still here.
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Then tell California that water is a infinite source... hahaha You really can only say water is infinite if you have the capability of easily sourcing it to you otherwise it does become a finite. You have to factor in the costs of an infrastructure of delivering the source to you. Cost always gets passed down to the next buck in line.

Never said water was infinite. What is will always be with normal human usage. Water is not made nor is it destroyed with human usage. We can drink all we want, wash all we want, flush all we want and the amount of water available on the planet stays the same. Now if you chose to live in a desert then just a little bit of schooling would let you understand that water evaporates in a desert and you will have to pay to get it back just like you paid to get it in the first place. But that is not my problem, I for one, would never chose to live in a desert. My parents taught me some common sense.
 
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Looks like I'm still sticking with AT&T, and my grandfathered unlimited plan. I have my iPhone with unlimited data, 650 talk, and 1000 texts, and then my parents dumb phone on my account for $93 a month. With rollover I have about 6000 minutes and never really use more than 50 a month, 100 at most. As for text the few people I do text have iPhones, except one. So the talk and text don't really impact me. My parents only use the cell for a few calls here and there just mainly wanted it for emergencies so they have no need for text, or data. I will say if it wasn't for them I would be looking at jumping ship depending upon the coverage. The maps list my most visited areas and home as fair, but that usually seems to mean no service inside. Glad for everyone that it helps lower their bills though.
 
Looks like I'm still sticking with AT&T, and my grandfathered unlimited plan. I have my iPhone with unlimited data, 650 talk, and 1000 texts, and then my parents dumb phone on my account for $93 a month. With rollover I have about 6000 minutes and never really use more than 50 a month, 100 at most. As for text the few people I do text have iPhones, except one. So the talk and text don't really impact me. My parents only use the cell for a few calls here and there just mainly wanted it for emergencies so they have no need for text, or data. I will say if it wasn't for them I would be looking at jumping ship depending upon the coverage. The maps list my most visited areas and home as fair, but that usually seems to mean no service inside. Glad for everyone that it helps lower their bills though.

New LTE spectrum for GSM is getting rid of the "in the building problems" that typically happen.
 
T-Mobile still offers prepaid plans. $40 for unlimited talk/text and 3GB high speed data (128 Kbps after 3GB).
That's what I have and I'm sticking with it (at least for now). Maybe T-Mobile will eventually eat the sales tax on ppd like Cricket Wireless does so I will pay $40 instead of $40 + tax.
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The limited resource here isn't data, it's the ability to move it. A cell tower can only handle so many cell phones, or more accurately, bandwidth. If too many people are using the same towers then service and speed suffers. The only answer to this currently would be more towers to further distribute the load.
The limited resource is capacity.
 
Because when you drink water you've consumed a limited resource. Data is not a limited resource. Once capacity is built out there really is no difference on how much you use. If you use 100 TB it doesn't mean there won't be any for anyone else. You're just limited by transfer speeds. Any other measurement is a superficial way to gouge you.

Um.. not true.

Data a limited resource. Please think about what goes into supplying "data" for your data plan. Let's not even discuss human resources.

In order to push data, you're pushing TCP/IP... across cellular. You need a solid infrastructure to support data for each user. Takes a lot of resources to power (resource) that infrastructure. Even if providers convert to renewable energy, there is still finite resource required. Panels die, wind blades gets rusted and needs to be replaced, etc... etc.

TMobile analysts likely ran through the numbers and average customer usage even under "unlimited" plan and take into consideration trottling top abusers, for $70 ($40 each for family plan) it would still pay the bills to meet their goals to support this plan... while hopefully make some profits so they can grow.
 
The limited resource here isn't data, it's the ability to move it. A cell tower can only handle so many cell phones, or more accurately, bandwidth. If too many people are using the same towers then service and speed suffers. The only answer to this currently would be more towers to further distribute the load.
The trick with tmo is they're using QoS and prioritisation to manage the network. Once you go over a stated amount (currently 28gb) in a month, your service is deproritized. In a lightly used area you won't notice but in a heavy use area like Vegas it becomes basically useless.
 
Is there a lack of competition among phone companys in the U.S?
For sure looks like it. Those prices are insanely high.

Having to think about minutes left how many text send and amount of data.... sound so last decade.... Im happy were past that in my country.

100$ phone subscribtions.... never in the entire history og mobile phones have I seen a subsrcibtion reaching that price.
There used to be a aprox. 70$ one here... all free and all included and were talking netflix, hbo, spotify, TV, and a ******** of newspaper subscriptions etc. Free movie tickets and so on.
 
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I live in DC near the Van Ness Metro stop. I switched three months ago from AT&T after finally giving up the original iPhone unlimited data plan.

In my experience, T-Mobile's coverage in DC is almost as good as AT&T's. I get no signal inside a couple restaurants that AT&T does reach. On balance, though, I've been very happy.

It still is true, though, that rural areas are a challenge. I spent a couple hours on a highway in Wisconsin with no signal (occasionally roaming on some small carrier's 2G network). My family members with Verizon had LTE throughout.

Thanks for the info.
 
Is there a lack of competition among phone companys in the U.S?
For sure looks like it. Those prices are insanely high.

Having to think about minutes left how many text send and amount of data.... sound so last decade.... Im happy were past that in my country.

100$ phone subscribtions.... never in the entire history og mobile phones have I seen a subsrcibtion reaching that price.
There used to be a aprox. 70$ one here... all free and all included and were talking netflix, hbo, spotify, TV, and a ******** of newspaper subscriptions etc. Free movie tickets and so on.
The carriers in the United States justify the costs by telling consumers that they incur a large expense covering a large country. Naturally, that cost is passed onto the customers.

I, however, get so jealous when I hear you guys in Northern Europe talking about your plans. Even with pre-paid Greece is ridiculous with their mobile tariffs. 500MB for 5€. Add 500 minutes of calling to numbers with the same operator for an additional 5€.
 
Meh price pretty much comes out to the same thing I pay now with AT&T on a family plan (I do get a 25% corp discount on the plan) the only difference is unlimited data vs. 25gb on at&t, but most of the lines on my plan are on wifi all day so we never even use up the full 25gb.
 
T-Mobile still offers prepaid plans. $40 for unlimited talk/text and 3GB high speed data (128 Kbps after 3GB).
Even though I have the 4 lines, 10GB data each line for $120, I still keep a prepaid $30/5GB line open as well so I never lose that plan. I don't always renew it because the sim will stay active for a year.
 
And right now T-Mobile still doesn't have the coverage that AT&T has in the areas I need it.

For what it’s worth, AT&T is T-mobile’s roaming partner. When I traveled recently, my T-Mo reception switched to AT&T’s 4G service where T-Mo wasn’t available.
 
At first this sounded good, but. I checked my bill. We are in 10gb per line getting four lines for $120. That of course includes binge in and all that jazz. We were also given unlimited data (essentially this ONE plan) until February 2019 for "being great customers", but that's irrelevant.

My $120 plan is $134.xx after taxes and fees. So still not better for me. I suppose this is better for those folks that recently hopped into the T-Mobile one bandwagon by essentially eliminating their taxes. So they're now paying $160 instead of about $175 for those four lines.

T-Mobile also may be moving away from giving promos to their customers not in the ONE plan. The latest "free iPhone" program required autopay and ONE.
 
I just switched to TMo last month mainly because I like the unlimited data and Canada feature as I travel and have family in Canada.

I am in Western New York and left Verizon for TMo and Ive notice the service isn't quite as good a Verizon.

One think I have notice is in some building I will have "No Service" which I cant ever remember having with Verizon.

Is this common with TMobile? Are they plan on fixing this?
 
I just switched to TMo last month mainly because I like the unlimited data and Canada feature as I travel and have family in Canada.

I am in Western New York and left Verizon for TMo and Ive notice the service isn't quite as good a Verizon.

One think I have notice is in some building I will have "No Service" which I cant ever remember having with Verizon.

Is this common with TMobile? Are they plan on fixing this?

It's common. That's the trade off for slightly less expensive costs and other perks.
 
Had to use a T-mobile iPhone SE for two weeks some time ago. Horrible coverage compared to my AT&T 6S Plus, and I live just 50 miles from Los Angeles. Don't even get me started on indoor performance. I don't care how many times John Legere says he's improved the network. If that was improvement, I can't imagine what horrible service long time T-mobile users had before.



Nope. Definitely not switching to T-Mobile. I may be paying a lot for my 10GB of AT&T, but being able to tether at full LTE speeds on the train or in someplace with no internet is totally worth it.

Being 50 or so miles out of LA is not really important - I suspect it is the terrain. I get great coverage from the desert to the sea - except in pockets where the geography is less forgiving. Unfortunately some areas will not get the coverage they need/deserve due to NIMBYism. I know that has happened where I now (up against mountains and residents fought new cell towers). But since most newer phones support wifi calling, it's not much of an issue for me unless there's a power outage.
 
For what it’s worth, AT&T is T-mobile’s roaming partner. When I traveled recently, my T-Mo reception switched to AT&T’s 4G service where T-Mo wasn’t available.
Not in AZ. They used to be roaming partners here, but that ended when T-Mo bought Metro PCS.
T-Mobile now roams on Metro's network in areas they didn't previously cover.
Metro PCS was, and still is very big in many rural areas.
 
I just switched to TMo last month mainly because I like the unlimited data and Canada feature as I travel and have family in Canada.

I am in Western New York and left Verizon for TMo and Ive notice the service isn't quite as good a Verizon.

One think I have notice is in some building I will have "No Service" which I cant ever remember having with Verizon.

Is this common with TMobile? Are they plan on fixing this?


I'm also in Western NY. I'm closer to Rochester and my parents are in Buffalo. Where I am, T-Mobile has improved in a very incredible way. I left VZW for them two years ago and it's continually getting better. I also have family in Canada and this was one of my motivating factors, too, in this decision. Stay patient, it's getting there!
 
Not in AZ. They used to be roaming partners here, but that ended when T-Mo bought Metro PCS.
T-Mobile now roams on Metro's network in areas they didn't previously cover.
Metro PCS was, and still is very big in many rural areas.
In Iowa it's "Iowa Wireless" or something like that; 2G mostly east of Des Moines and 4g/LTE west. In colorado it is something else (forget what). At least it was around June when we drove through. Interestingly most of these did not count against our roaming data allotment. ATT did though.
 
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