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Pick the common GMS frequencies and you might get the phone next time.

Yeah, blame T-mobile. Every other phone manufacturer has a phone (or many) for T-mobile. Apple being technically challenged in everything wireless is just incapable of producing a phone that would work on T-mobile.
 
To add further insult, T-Mobile customers cannot activate their iPhone 4 on Facetime. After a lot of testing with Apple and no support out of T-Mobile, there is very strong evidence that this is a T-Mobile problem with the Carrier 10.0 configuration being able to properly communicate with the Apple SMS activation center for Facetime. STRIKE 2

Maybe sending invisible international text messages isn't the best way to activate a service.
 
The author this article appears to have taken some editorial liberties. The release from T-Mobile does not indicate anything about an iPhone 5. It only says they will not have the iphone.

The author decided to add in the term "iPhone 5".

Not saying there will or will not be some new phone, or even an iPhone 5. Just saying that the author should not state something that was not stated.


This kind of sloppiness at this site seems to be a growing problem.
 
You know it's been mentioned multiple times, Brodman says (every time when asked about the iPhone 5) that T-Mobile will not be receiving the iPhone 5 this year. He does not say they will be receiving the iPhone. He's being very specific. Maybe they'll be getting it very early next year. This is wishful thinking, but let me rationalise my thought process first.

So when Apple wants to add a carrier, there are months of talks and such before a deal is agreed upon. Then the network needs to prep for adding the iPhone to their lineup. As someone earlier said, when Sprint was being considered to be brought on board, it seemed likely that the T-Mobile/AT&T merger would go through. So it wouldn't have made sense at the time for Apple to introduce a T-Mobile iPhone. But now, with all the opposition (most notably from the DOJ) about this merger, it seems less likely to go through. Maybe Apple is now working out a deal to add the iPhone, but it won't be available at the initial launch due to time constraints. It could come at a later point in time. After all, the Verizon iPhone was launched in the middle of the iPhone 4 release cycle after everyone thought it would be announced at WWDC. On the other hand, this could just mean that T-Mobile won't be getting the iPhone. I just wanted to inject a bit of hope here :)

for some reason (your name) i have to read all of your posts.

You have brought up some good points however, with him being so specific. was he also specific about the new iphone not coming this year? Like you said with verizon it is possible they get the iPhone 4 first and then get bumped up to 5 (or next iphone for all you S fans) next year. which would still be cool. iPhone domination!!!
 
Apple essentially GAVE T-mobile the iPhone. What T-Mobile COULD do is... tell customers to go to the Apple store, purchase the iPhone unlocked, then give their customer a nice $400 rebate for a 2 year service contract. Heck, if Tmobile were to just give $300 rebate, MANY customers would gladly stay with them.

That's exactly what Telecom does here. Buy an unlocked iPhone from Apple, sign a 2-year contract with Telecom, and get up to $800 credit.

The key difference, as already mentioned, is the frequencies. Telecom uses WCDMA (UMTS) 850/2100, which all iPhones since the 3G support.
 
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Maybe sending invisible international text messages isn't the best way to activate a service.

No argument that activating via a silent SMS is an undesirable and proprietary way of doing Facetime activations on the iPhone.

I would note that AT&T and Verizon and numerous international carriers have figured out how to support the Facetime activation via SMS. With 1 million iPhone users in the balance, many of whom have the iPhone 4 or will be getting an iPhone 4GS/5, I would think that T-Mobile would be jumping through hoops to assist their customers to activate Facetime.

Sigh....
 
You notice he is careful to say that they will not carry the iPhone 5 this year...what about the 4S or a modified iPhone 3G/3Gs or 4? Who knows, it could happen.
 
Where does T-Mobile bash the iPhone? :confused:

He's probably whining about the commercials with the Canadian model, when quite frankly, Verizon was arguably meaner with its Droid Does campaign as well as the Christmas "Island of Misfit Toys" featuring a mock of the iPhone 3GS. Once they got the 4 the iPhone became "beautiful" and so forth per their commercials, but commercials mean nothing...I'm still using a 3GS on T-Mobile and would love it if they did what users here suggested - give us a $300 (or so) credit if we buy an unlocked iPhone and bring it in to sign a new 2 year activation. They're already incredibly cool with iPhone users anyway - some T-Mobile official locations used to cut the SIM for you if you had an iPhone 4 and within the last few months they just gave customers micro-SIMs.

Sadly, I'm not expecting the iPhone on T-Mobile because I'm not expecting T-Mobile to exist by 2014.
 
To add further insult, T-Mobile customers cannot activate their iPhone 4 on Facetime. After a lot of testing with Apple and no support out of T-Mobile, there is very strong evidence that this is a T-Mobile problem with the Carrier 10.0 configuration being able to properly communicate with the Apple SMS activation center for Facetime. STRIKE 2

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had a difficult time deciphering this part. just to let you know, facetime ONLY works over wi-fi. even an at&t or verizon phone can't do facetime.
 
had a difficult time deciphering this part. just to let you know, facetime ONLY works over wi-fi. even an at&t or verizon phone can't do facetime.

In order to activate Facetime your phone needs to send a text message to Apple and receive a response. Seems strange for a service that only works over wifi but that is what the internets say.
 
had a difficult time deciphering this part. just to let you know, facetime ONLY works over wi-fi. even an at&t or verizon phone can't do facetime.

I know that the actual iPhone FaceTime only runs over WiFi today. That said, the activation of FaceTime on the iPhone utilizes a silent SMS message sent to +44 7786 205094 the Apple Facetime activation center in the UK when the user goes to Settings > Phone > FaceTime and turns FaceTime "ON". The iPhone then is supposed to receive an activation code in return that enables FaceTime. On T-Mobile since IOS 4.2 and Carrier 10.0 this no longer works.

See - http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=FaceTime
 
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Because tmobile was forced to use different frequencies. Apple doesn't want yet another iPhone model perhaps?

Even Tmobile admits they have a million iPhone users on their network. That strongly implies that Apple doesn't have to develop another iPhone model. Apparently, the one(s) they offer now can already work with Tmobile. This is just about the willingness to make a deal (or the lack of "willingness" partners like AT&T & Verizon have for "allowing" it on Tmobile).

Tmobile has millions of potential buyers so wanting an iPhone that more than a million of them are either buying new unlocked or settling for used & unlocked. There is obviously a market of size for iPhone there.

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Jeez. Different frequencies. Different frequencies. Different frequencies. Phones have to be made specifically for T-Mobile US, and they don't work at full speed on standard GSM networks around the world. Take any GSM phone from Europe and it'll only work as EDGE on T-Mobile US.

What about the second sentence in this (below) quote straight from their mouths leads to the above belief?

Please know that we think the iPhone is a great device and Apple knows that we'd like to add it to our line-up. Today, there are over a million T-Mobile customers using unlocked iPhones on our network. We are interested in offering all of our customers a no-compromise iPhone experience on our network.

We all understand that the process of unlocking a phone doesn't yield a brand new, specially-made phone don't we?

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I love it..."We'd love to add it to the lineup [despite the fact that we trash it constantly]."

I've never seen them trash the iPhone. They do have a number of commercials that makes fun of AT&T though. Can you point us to a source if you believe otherwise?

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Obviously, I'm for getting the iPhone on many other U.S. carriers in hopes that real competition beyond the big 2 or maybe 3 will lead to a fix for the #1 flaw (IMO) with the iPhone- the total cost of ownership. With near duplicate (costs) plans from the current 2 players are we really thinking adding one more to the party will bring any competition? Beyond a month or two until Sprint Unlimited is discontinued?

Personally, I'd like to see the iPhone made available to the big 7-8+ carriers where maybe some real competition in the service options would yield an iPhone plan for even the penny-pinchers.
 
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+1, I agree. It was the same thing when everyone on Verizon was bitching about not having the iPhone. Guess what, the US is not the only market, so obviously Apple is going to support the common GSM frequencies before the odd-ball networks that Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile are all on. Maybe these carriers should instead do what Telus and Bell did in Canada, and switch over to the common frequencies!

There are a lot more people in Canada than in the US.
 
Jeez. Different frequencies. Different frequencies. Different frequencies.

Most carriers around the world use the standard. T-Mobile US does not.

Phones have to be made specifically for T-Mobile US, and they don't work at full speed on standard GSM networks around the world. Take any GSM phone from Europe and it'll only work as EDGE on T-Mobile US.

Yes I see your white text.

I don't believe in the frequency argument. with 33 mio subscribers T-Mobile is large enough to justify the minor changes apple would need to have full access to the G3 speeds on T-Mobile. Every other manufacturer does this as well.

I can only imagine that there are business or legal or strategic reasons. I just can't see why Apple would not want to sell the iPhone on T-Mobile. T-Mobile already stated they want the iPhone.
 
Regrettably, if the new iPhone 4GS/5 (what ever it is called) is a world phone that can run on GSM and CDMA, T-Mobile will be loosing a 12 year customer.

and then we get to see you whinning here about your increased contract price and why you can not get the same deal as T-Mobile.
 
Incredibly disappointing. I don't understand...why pick up Sprint and leave T-Mobile out? My only guess is it has something to do with the merger. If T-Mobile got the iPhone (and a surge in business/new customers as a result) that can't look good, right? I don't know, that's just a shame.
 
T-Mobile is ALREADY supported, sort of...

Pick the common GMS frequencies and you might get the phone next time.

Regardless of whether or not T-Mobile uses "common" GSM signals is beside the point, as the current Verizon iPhone 4 has support for T-Mobile's 1700MHz AWS 3G spectrum (via it's Qualcomm MDM6600 "Gobi" chip). It would be trivial for Apple to enable it in firmware. I would be shocked if Apple switched to a chipset without these capabilities in the next iPhone, especially with all the talk of it being a single "world-mode" model. It seems to me that Apple is waiting for something else, perhaps to see how the AT&T takeover pans out.
 
quite frankly, i LOVE not being required to have a data plan. Everywhere has wifi these days, and when I REALLY want to use the net on the go, I tether to my iPad. I personally think it's TOTAL CRAP that carriers require a seperate data package for each of your devices, and am glad that I can use my iPhone how i want, with whom I want.

How do you tether your tmobile iphone with your ipad? Thanks!
 
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