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T-Mobile USA 'Not Going to Get the iPhone 5 This Year'
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This makes sense on many fronts.
For it to be fully functional on T-Mobile it would need to add support for AWS bands. Right now there aren't many, if any chipsets out there that support 850/1900MHz HSPA and AWS HSPA.
Most indications have said that the next iPhone would have a dual mode GSM/CDMA chipset. Sprint uses the 1900MHz band which is already in the current CDMA iPhone.
Also with the obvious fact that AT&T is in the process of buying T-Mobile.
For it to be fully functional on T-Mobile it would need to add support for AWS bands. Right now there aren't many, if any chipsets out there that support 850/1900MHz HSPA and AWS HSPA.
Most indications have said that the next iPhone would have a dual mode GSM/CDMA chipset. Sprint uses the 1900MHz band which is already in the current CDMA iPhone.
Also with the obvious fact that AT&T is in the process of buying T-Mobile.
Really? hmmm had no idea T-mobile couldn't handle more customers, or iPhone. What's AT&T's excuse then?
Le sigh
If this is true then AT&T might as well go ahead and gobble up T-Mobile. I'll be jumping ship in a few weeks it seems.
If this is true then AT&T might as well go ahead and gobble up T-Mobile. I'll be jumping ship in a few weeks it seems.if you only have AT&T and verizon then one of them can demand a lower price per phone and apple will have to comply or lose sales. most smartphones are on 2 year contracts on family plans with different contract end dates so it's not like you will see a lot of people leave a carrier.
and the chance of collusion is greater. just look at the airlines, one increases prices and the others follow. and almost every other industry.
a weaker carrier like sprint will be more willing to pay a higher price to steal customers if at&t and/or verizon won't pay up. losing customers means that you now have to pay more money to acquire new ones just to keep the same revenue level
in markets around the world where more than one carrier offers the iphone, apple uses it to demand pricing
Apple continues to manipulate the media.
It's a normal part of day to day operations for them, prior to a new iPhone announcement.
We will not know anything until we hear it from Apple themselves.
It's a simple as that. Believe nothing. Wait for Apple.
It's a normal part of day to day operations for them, prior to a new iPhone announcement.
We will not know anything until we hear it from Apple themselves.
It's a simple as that. Believe nothing. Wait for Apple.
How is Apple going to lose big time?. The iphone 4 is still the number 1 selling phone and it's been out for 15 months so if they come up with a 4s, it will also be the top selling phone too, just going based on the iphone 4 sales.
I have 5 lines, unlimited texts, 1000 minutes, 2 data plans, 3 dumb phones and I pay $140 a month, including taxes and fees. That is why I like TMO.
Tmobile is actually really kind and great, in my opinion.
First off, they're the only carrier to not enforce IMEI tracking (pardon the terminology if wrong) for data phones. I worked in the cell phone business and my ATT rep told me that ANY smart phone, whether it's an unlocked phone from overseas or whatever, will require a data plan once its IMEI is active on the ATT network. With Tmobile, they do no such thing (unless, obviously, it's their own smartphone). I have been using an iPhone on TMo for 3 years now, and it wasn't until recently that I decided to add a data plan. When I got a 4, I gave my 3GS to my dad, so at one point, we had two iPhones on TMo with no data plans REQUIRED (because we didn't need/use it).
I'll concede it would be ridiculous to REQUIRE a data plan for the iPhone for Tmo cause they don't support it, but I like that they allow OTHER unlocked smartphones to be used without a data plan. That's what I like about my carrier - they're not always telling me what to do. There are some people out there who don't need/want data, but want an Android/smart phone to use on wifi!
Secondly, the pricing cannot be beat. Right now our bill averages $85 a month. That's for 3 lines, unlimited texting on all 3 lines, 700 shared minutes (with unlimited nights and weekends and mobile to mobile), as well as an unlimited data plan for my line. I'm not one of those types who are like "well if you pay this much more, you get quadruple the minutes!!". I want to keep the price as low as possible.
Once someone finds me a carrier that doesn't require a family to have data if one person wants it (Sprint requires an entire family be moved to the Everything Data Share if only one person wants data...so even though two lines don't use data, they'll be paying for it), and a price as cheap as mine for the features (ATT and VZW don't come close), I'll concede that Tmo is not one of the better ones out there.
First off, they're the only carrier to not enforce IMEI tracking (pardon the terminology if wrong) for data phones. I worked in the cell phone business and my ATT rep told me that ANY smart phone, whether it's an unlocked phone from overseas or whatever, will require a data plan once its IMEI is active on the ATT network. With Tmobile, they do no such thing (unless, obviously, it's their own smartphone). I have been using an iPhone on TMo for 3 years now, and it wasn't until recently that I decided to add a data plan. When I got a 4, I gave my 3GS to my dad, so at one point, we had two iPhones on TMo with no data plans REQUIRED (because we didn't need/use it).
I'll concede it would be ridiculous to REQUIRE a data plan for the iPhone for Tmo cause they don't support it, but I like that they allow OTHER unlocked smartphones to be used without a data plan. That's what I like about my carrier - they're not always telling me what to do. There are some people out there who don't need/want data, but want an Android/smart phone to use on wifi!
Secondly, the pricing cannot be beat. Right now our bill averages $85 a month. That's for 3 lines, unlimited texting on all 3 lines, 700 shared minutes (with unlimited nights and weekends and mobile to mobile), as well as an unlimited data plan for my line. I'm not one of those types who are like "well if you pay this much more, you get quadruple the minutes!!". I want to keep the price as low as possible.
Once someone finds me a carrier that doesn't require a family to have data if one person wants it (Sprint requires an entire family be moved to the Everything Data Share if only one person wants data...so even though two lines don't use data, they'll be paying for it), and a price as cheap as mine for the features (ATT and VZW don't come close), I'll concede that Tmo is not one of the better ones out there.
If he was being cutesy with language, he totally failed, because the impression he's giving is that they aren't getting it at all, so go to the competition. Usually you want the opposite. i.e. Stay with us because we might get it...
DT wants to unload TMO USA for $25 billion cash, $14 billion ATT stock and 8% ATT. You now have DoJ, 7 states, Sprint and others opposed to the deal. It is very unlikely the merger will happen. I would rather see TMO USA go bankrupt, than merge with ATT. If anything both ATT & Verizon need to be broken up, as it appears anti-trust laws are not being enforced.
TMO USA, although loosing customers, at present has an excellent network in the major US markets. It is also making a profit unlike Sprint. If phones could use the existing 4G network, data speeds are in excess of 6 MB/s to 22 MB/s and that is more than plenty for any mobile device.
In 2 years we will have ATT and Verizon. One GSM carrier and one CDMA carrier. The rest will be bottom of the barrel or regional carriers. Expect to pay $100 per line with limited text and data services.
TMO USA, although loosing customers, at present has an excellent network in the major US markets. It is also making a profit unlike Sprint. If phones could use the existing 4G network, data speeds are in excess of 6 MB/s to 22 MB/s and that is more than plenty for any mobile device.
In 2 years we will have ATT and Verizon. One GSM carrier and one CDMA carrier. The rest will be bottom of the barrel or regional carriers. Expect to pay $100 per line with limited text and data services.
It's T-Mobile's fault
If t-mobile would just just go standard with it's frequencies in the US, then they can simply sell the unlocked iPhone with no contract and no ATT like bs. Hey give the unlocked phone to the public for 299 and bind them with a contract. What in the heck is the big deal here? I would be one of the first people to switch. However, ATT is trying to swallow T-Mobile USA. I actually own an unlocked iPhone 4 and I have used it in used in DL on T-Mobile's network and it works great.
If t-mobile would just just go standard with it's frequencies in the US, then they can simply sell the unlocked iPhone with no contract and no ATT like bs. Hey give the unlocked phone to the public for 299 and bind them with a contract. What in the heck is the big deal here? I would be one of the first people to switch. However, ATT is trying to swallow T-Mobile USA. I actually own an unlocked iPhone 4 and I have used it in used in DL on T-Mobile's network and it works great.
I don't believe there is some kind of hidden cryptic message in this letter. He isn't saying they aren't getting the iPhone 5 because he means its actually going to be a 4S... It is a letter to employees not a code that is to be cracked.
Also, if the iPhone 4S is the only phone released this year that doesn't mean that the iPhone 5 is coming next year... If the iPhone 4S is the only phone released there will NEVER be a phone called the iPhone 5... It will be the iPhone 6.
iPhone 1, 3G (iPhone 2), 3GS (iPhone 3), iPhone 4...
This message is NOT a thinly veiled code.
iPhone 1, 3G (iPhone 2), 3GS (iPhone 3), iPhone 4...
This message is NOT a thinly veiled code.
... Am I the only MacRumors user who remembers the traditional form-factor cycle for the iPhone? I mean, if you look at them we get a new form factor (iPhone 3G) then the next year a spec tweak (iPhone 3Gs) and finally the third year we get a new form factor (iPhone 4).
I'm seeing a lot of comments bemoaning that people will be heart broken if the next iPhone isn't a complete redesign. While it may be, based on the rumors we're seeing, I would't be surprised if it isn't...
Of course, with last year's antenna gate, they may have decided to speed up the next-gen form factor. Hence the switch from a June release to a (hopefully) October release.
That is IF there will be a new iPhone this October
If we don't hear something from Apple about an "Event" by the end of this week, it's looking IFFY!
Yeah, cause it ain't called the iPhone 5, its the iPhone 4S!
This. There is no redesigned iPhone people. Stop dreaming.
APple only has a limited amount of phones , I was talking about market share.
That hasnt grown in months, almost a year even in europe .
Loosing market share will mean less developers wich is where the current importance is.
It will not be different while the rest moves on.
I find it much more likely that he is referring to the entire industry not seeing an iPhone 5 this year than simply his company.
Otherwise he's basically saying, "we'll you might as well switch now cause we're not getting the phone you're all waiting for." Though i really hope im wrong
I hate to be the bearer of bad news however there is no way an iPhone will not be released this year and it will most likely be an iPhone 5 as oppsed to the "4s". Apple can't wait this long and release a 4s with minor upgrades let alone release nothing and expect to retain all the potential customers. At one point the delayed release gave room for more people to prepare and finish their comtracts however at this point they are merely cannabalizing they would be cannibalizing their own sales if they delayed it any further.