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My wife and I do not currently have iphones. Better to wait for the 5s or just go for the 5 on April 12 with tmobile? Currently with Sprint but are off contract.
 
As an Apple supporter since ~1992 when I got my first computer this is one of their first moves that has royally pissed me off.

Glad I get to sell my unlocked iPhone a1428 and go buy the exact same phone again.

The built in radio already supports these frequencies I fail to see how they cannot update the baseband in a future iOS to save me from paying 8% tax on $749 again ($59.92). Plus the added joy of whatever loss I take from reselling an iPhone 5, doubt I'll be getting a full $749 for my used phone.
The functionality of your iPhone hasn't changed.
 
Precisely why I've been awaiting an iPhone with a global LTE chip that has all US bands for HSPA+ available and LTE for at least both AT&T and T-Mobile in the states. It looks like Qualcomm's new chip may include just that, and if T-Mobile continues with this pricing for the 5S, it seems that getting one through them would be the best thing for many consumers. Pay $579 for one, get it unlocked, and use it on their lower-cost plans as LTE continues to rollout and on their AWS HSPA+, and if it doesn't sit well any longer, take your phone elsewhere.

I feel that those who resale their phones to subsidize their new ones, especially if their contracts are up, will actually see a nice advantage with this, too. For example, sell your 4S for $300-$350 or so unlocked and with the charger and maybe your cases too, and put all of that down on the new phone - your monthly payments will be shorter, and it would be like paying $229-279 for an unlocked iPhone. I really like that.
 
AWS? This is potentially HUGE news for Wind Mobile and defeating the Big 3 in Canada!

Yup - huge bonus. Wind will always face an up hill struggle no matter how good it's plans are - it is not a national carrier - once out of a wind zone you are stung on roaming charges - Esp. data.
 
My wife and I do not currently have iphones. Better to wait for the 5s or just go for the 5 on April 12 with tmobile? Currently with Sprint but are off contract.

At this point, my man, if you could spare the months, you can go ahead and await the 5S, as current rumors are pointing to a June or July release. However, I'd say go on ahead in your local T-Mobile store and just play with it and see if it suits your needs. If the speeds are good and the feature set is right up your alley, it will be great for you. Bleeding edge is nice, but a phone within your budget that suits your needs is always the best buy.
 
The built in radio already supports these frequencies I fail to see how they cannot update the baseband in a future iOS to save me from paying 8% tax on $749 again ($59.92). Plus the added joy of whatever loss I take from reselling an iPhone 5, doubt I'll be getting a full $749 for my used phone.

Do not think it is just baseband, you need to add more radio/hardware to get it work.

Only big brother bad boys like ATT can do software update and magically 3G becomes 4G :D
 
As for the plans, from what I've read, the T-Mo plans only allow 500MB for full speed tethering, regardless of the data plan.

That is crazy bad.

Under the shared data AT&T plan, you get full speed up to what you've paid for whether that usage is via smartphone or tethering. I see no reason (outside of the unlimited plan...there a cap of some amount would seem logical) why T-Mo should not allow tethering to the full data limit you have purchased.
 
There is always this to consider

As an Apple supporter since ~1992 when I got my first computer this is one of their first moves that has royally pissed me off.

Glad I get to sell my unlocked iPhone a1428 and go buy the exact same phone again.

The built in radio already supports these frequencies I fail to see how they cannot update the baseband in a future iOS to save me from paying 8% tax on $749 again ($59.92). Plus the added joy of whatever loss I take from reselling an iPhone 5, doubt I'll be getting a full $749 for my used phone.

or OR - you could just keep your phone....
 
It would be great if Apple and T-Mobile would enable Wifi calling on the iphone.

Which reduces minutes used if important, but also, allows for ease of using wifi where there is bad signal.
 
As for the plans, from what I've read, the T-Mo plans only allow 500MB for full speed tethering, regardless of the data plan.

That is crazy bad.

Under the shared data AT&T plan, you get full speed up to what you've paid for whether that usage is via smartphone or tethering. I see no reason (outside of the unlimited plan...there a cap of some amount would seem logical) why T-Mo should not allow tethering to the full data limit you have purchased.

That is not true at all.

T-mobile includes tethering (for no additional cost) for almost all of their plans. Every other carrier requires you to pay extra for tether.

T-mobile only allows 500mb of tethering on their "true unlimited" plan. This is because these people are paying for infinity GB of high speed data for only $70 as opposed to AT&T or Verizon who would charge hundreds for 10+GB of data.

If you want tethering in addition to unlimited high speed data you have to pay extra (I think it is like $20).

Granted I think T-mobile needs to work very hard to communicate their plan to consumers (I couldn't for example quickly figure out on their website just now exactly how much extra you need to pay to buy hotspot data for the unlimited plan).
 
if i already have a factory unlocked iPhone 5 will this be able to work with Tmobiles new system and catch LTE?
 
I wonder if i shatter my iPhone in a couple months, when I get a replacement from AppleCare+, will I get one of these newfangled tmobs compatible phones? Hmmm...
 
Thank you! I was worried about all that. So this means we dont have to wait for an update from Apple so i wont lose my JB?

Also what did you change in your carrier settings to get LTE working?

1. Add this repo to Cydia: http://v.backspace.jp/repo/
2. Install CommCenter patch.
3. Get iFunBox on your PC or Mac.
4. Navigate to /System/Library/Carrier Bundles/Unknown.Bundle in iFunBox.
5. Download this ZIP - http://www.howardforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=89792&d=1361488092. Unzip it (two files in the ZIP) and copy them to the folder above.
6. Reboot the iPhone.

That'll enable the LTE option in the carrier settings. Don't forget to to set the APN in the Cellular Data Network settings to epn.tmobile.com.

After I did this, I only saw 3G (we have 1900 MHz UMTS here on T-Mobile in MD) but after a few moments it went back to "Searching..." and then jumped to their LTE network. Cooh!

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if i already have a factory unlocked iPhone 5 will this be able to work with Tmobiles new system and catch LTE?

Yep - see my other posts. You need to Jailbreak right now to get it - I'm sure Apple will include the right carrier settings down the road, but it worked for me on 6.1.2 - and with a pre-paid card too :)
 
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Does anyone know why Verizon's network speeds are slower than those of AT&T or T-Mobile???

I thought Verizon has always been considered the best. :confused:

Unfortunately, it's not a straight line answer.

Verizon has better coverage, coast-to-coast than either AT&T or TMO. This is a generalization, and depending on where you are, your mileage may vary.

Verizon has the largest LTE network of any carrier in the country, by far. This is regardless of the FUD that AT&T likes to put out. This means that it's far more likely you'll get LTE speeds with a Verizon phone.

Verizon's iPhone, even the LTE model does not yet allow you to talk and use data at the same time, unless you're connected to a wifi network. This is scheduled to change next year, I believe. AT&T's network will allow simultaneous data and talk. TMO is comparable to AT&T in this regard.

AT&T's LTE network is often faster on downloads than Verizon's. This is going to depend on a lot of factors, and vary from place to place, and time to time. But they're both damn fast.

AT&T is considered to have the worst customer service of the three. This is not just my opinion. They consistently come in last in service surveys. Verizon, while not giving me the warm an fuzzies in this regard, at least generally knows their stuff, and can give accurate answers to questions. This is rarely my experience with AT&T. TMO used to have amazing customer service. But it slipped greatly during the dark days of the AT&T merger attempt, and nothing I have seen has made me think it's rebounded much.

Pricing is going to depend on what your needs are for your particular situation. I find that, given my needs Verizon provides the best price for my devices and situation. I have made comparisons that show both AT&T and TMO being cheaper in certain use situations. Of course, I don't shop on price alone.

So, all things considered, and again, this is a generalization, if you want the most reliable, saturated LTE network, with the best technical support I would recommend Verizon. One thing to keep in mind is, if you travel internationally frequently TMO is generally the best of the three. While they are the 4th largest carrier in the US, they have a huge presence in Europe, and a very strategic network of partners elsewhere.
 
So...what speeds are possible with an AT&T iPhone 5 on T-Mobile? And does it support their LTE or do you need the new model?
 
or OR - you could just keep your phone....

That's exactly what I'd like to do. I'd like to keep my phone and have Apple enable the hardware that is already present in my phone.

AnandTech said:
Among all that other news however was news that T-Mobile would finally be carrying the iPhone 5, specifically an updated version of the A1428 hardware model which included Band 4 (AWS) LTE support. This was the variant aimed at AT&T specifically, with both Band 4 and Band 17 LTE included, in addition to a number of other bands as we noted in the iPhone 5 review. As I mentioned earlier, what's interesting about A1428 is that it always had the necessary power amplifiers for AWS WCDMA, but only enabled it on LTE. The hardware could support AWS WCDMA, but that was locked out in firmware — until now. Apple gave a statement to Engadget which confirmed my earlier suspicions – beginning 4/12, Apple will ship a new A1428 with different firmware onboard that enables AWS WCDMA. There won't be any software update for existing A1428 owners, meaning if you bought an iPhone 5 AT&T model, you're not going to be able to get AWS WCDMA on T-Mobile overnight unfortunately, instead new shipping A1428 models will simply have different firmware on them which enables the AWS paths through the transceiver for WCDMA to be enabled. I'm unclear how Apple will choose to differentiate the two identical A1428 hardware models for users or on their own spec lists, either way there will be an old version and new version which differ in this regard. In addition, existing A1428 hardware without AWS WCDMA support will be phased out.

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The big difference will be on T-Mobile's HSPA+ speeds.

Your current Unlocked iPhone 5 will only max out at 21 megs on HSPA+ whereas the new AWS iPhone 5 will max out at 42 megs on HSPA+

BOTH iPhone 5's will work the same one T-Mobile's LTE.

Just wait for LTE to deploy where you live. :cool:
 
This is huge news in Canada not only for Wind Mobile, but also Québecor's Vidéotron. And apparently, they were caught off guard by T-Mobile's announcement and immediately started investigating if this new compatibility would also apply to their network as well.
 
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The next year or so is going to be wacky on the resale market. People will have to really do due diligence to make sure (if they are buying a used phone) that they are getting the "right" one.

Yeah, there's so much fragmentation on the iPhone side! I'm glad I'm on android... ;) :D:D
 
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