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Tablets Predicted to Make Up Half of Total PC Shipments in 2014, iPad to Fall Further Behind Android

Speedy2 said:
They make it sound as if these things are mutually exclusive.
Samsung dominates in market share AND is highly profitable. They are in a much stronger position, with more growth perspective in emerging markets and independent from a specific part of the market. Apple on the other hand is very dependent on the high-end. And Apple's profits are shrinking and despite a strongly growing global market for touch devices their revenue remains flat. I'd say they need to think about changing their strategy.
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Samsung is most definitely not in a stronger position as their most recent earnings revealed. Rather than rushing to fill every niche and every nook and cranny of every market, Apple's more thoughtful and measured approach to growth is winning and will put further pressure on Samsung.

Consider this: Apple is only available on about half as many carriers as Samsung. Until recently, they weren't even available on Japan's largest carrier, and as of today, they're still not available on the world's largest carrier. That's almost a billion people! So it's a given that Apple will continue to grow at the expense of Samsung and others simply by adding more carriers.

In terms of product, when Apple releases iPhone 6 with a larger display, I think everyone here knows the outcome: it will wreak havoc on Samsung and every other mobile manufacturer.

Apple will continue to gobble up the high end of the market, leaving scraps for everyone else, including Samsung.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/A-dr...a-strategic-conference-with-investors_id47164

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...for_a_64_bit_android_answer_to_apples_a7.html
 
Alphabetize said:
I'm actually not interested in touch screen PCs. But I do think that iOS and Android could be made much more usable without compromising the ease-of-use. Things could be done to bring the functionality of a full desktop-OS to a touch platform, but nobody has done it right.
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Look at iLife and iWork for iOS. That is the cutting-edge technology in touch-based apps. What more could you do? You have no right-click, no drag-and-drop. Just tap, hold and swipe. And every iPad app needs to work with fat fingers on an 7.9-inch iPad mini screen. So the number of toolbars and icons is limited. And you still need room to show the content itself and the keyboard if necessary. You can do more on a tablet than on a smartphone, still you will never do as much on a tablet as on a laptop. Nobody has done it right, because it can't be done.
 
Not going to happen

iOS, Android, etc. don't have real file systems or fully functunal GUIs. They are not PCs. If I can't organize my files on it then it is not a PC. If I cannot customize my apps on it then it is not a PC. (etc etc /rant)

even the iPhone 3GS was faster than some of the G3 233MHz macs such as mine that ran OSX 10.0. No reason why we can't just get OSX on iPads and run legacy iOS software in emulation. We could call it Rosetta.

Then iPads would be PCs.
 
This only is true only because you also have Hybrid PC's too, which are both PC's, an tablets, you can carry round

If this wasn't so, then it would be allot smaller.

This may not even be people buying them, but manufactures making them...

This would make more sense, but would be no surprise them the size here.
 
MacLC said:
iOS, Android, etc. don't have real file systems or fully functunal GUIs. They are not PCs. If I can't organize my files on it then it is not a PC. If I cannot customize my apps on it then it is not a PC. (etc etc /rant)

even the iPhone 3GS was faster than some of the G3 233MHz macs such as mine that ran OSX 10.0. No reason why we can't just get OSX on iPads and run legacy iOS software in emulation. We could call it Rosetta.

Then iPads would be PCs.
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OSX and iOS systems are both based on unix file system.
 
TimeSquareDesi said:
Not for us mature, power users. but for kids, this is probably true. We are being turned into a society of sheep/data consumers and the percentage of people consuming content vs creating (emails/real work work,etc) is diminishing with every swipe across an ipad/"other devices."
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These sanctimonious posts are a joke. They have been going on ever since the iPad was released. Meanwhile, millions and millions of people use tablets at work to get stuff done every day.

Productivity is not limited to heavy content creation on a PC. Most business is transacted via some form of communication, and the iPad is an excellent portable communication device. It might not be the right tool for everyone, but it can be very useful for many professionals.
 
This report is full of lies, trickery and ignorance.

Apple is dominating in tablets especially the high end and doing phenomenally well right now.
 
Of course Apple will fall behind in numbers there are so many different android tablets. But watch those satisfaction and profit numbers, nothing will change in that regard.
 
BvizioN said:
Yes, it can! Depends what you do on the laptop! If all you do is browse the internet,send and receive emails, Skype and stuff... then why would you want a bulky laptop?
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I suspect that there may be quite a few things you could be sent in an email that cannot easily, (if at all), be dealt with by an iPad.
Apple have a market of people that love their products. They need to protect it by opening things up just a little. They have an eco system or walled garden as some put it yet, I can't use an iPad as a front end for my Mac yet via remote desktop or share files using Airdrop?
 
dumastudetto said:
iPads are still in the lead as far as I'm concerned. I do not believe Android will dominate the tablet market. Consumers love iPad and they are not interested in subpar experiences regardless of price.
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Apple can compete on phones because carrier subsidies. Where they don't exist, they're losing.

The bottom line is Apple needs to start reducing prices with demand over time and stop holding everything so high for a year straight. We know when the new iPad is coming. And Apple in the US doesn't have a $450 cushion to fall on that Samsung seems happy to violate.

If Apple wants to compete the margins must come down. Which you're seeing on the iPad mini 2 to an extent. But failure to do this across all iOS platforms too aggressively will lead to Apple becoming a dinosaur. It isn't that Apple can't innovate anymore, so Phil Schiller's comment is at the wrong thing. It is that Apple can't innovate in a vacuum any more and dictate the market price. Apple products may be good, but slightly better casing and a dubiously better OS won't justify spending an extra $200.
 
All the number crunchers forget some facts.
Apple create a quality product..which in turn is supported by the various categories of apps available through the App store/ iTunes / iBooks.

The Android based tablets from any supplier do not have the same numbers or equal quality. They mass produce numbers which are "shipped" but how many are sold and how many are written off as was most of the shipped Surface..Now rotting in some land fill? Asia like Android because they can hack it and there is a market of pirate apps which nobody cares about enough to build in more protection. Apple on the other hand make s huge fortune from the its various apps, books a nd music outlets.

Finally, Apple research, design/invent and create top products...Samsung can be said to have done what Korea and Hong Kong have done since plastic replaced, sheet tin....and having stripped down a product...rebuilt it with minor differences to avoid (mostly) the copyrights involved.
Mighty Samsung has not bothered to create its own OS and its left to Google who act out of hatred of Steve Jobs and Apple rather than a philanthropic urge to provide an open OS. Mix two mongrel dogs and you create another mongrel.
Apple has Pedigree and whether its dogs, cars or computers..Pedigree costs more because it has style and quality.
 
Its apple vs msft all over again.

While they are losing market share they still have such a high profit margin per device their profits are still rising. While it kind of sucks for ios developers im not sure apple really cares.
 
I'm sure to be making a comment regarded here as played out but why is it important to compare apple's market share against every other tablet maker?

42.7 percent of all tablet shipments seems unsustainable for any maker long term. I'm sure most analysts can appreciate that it's only natural for an expanding market to have multiple players. Classifying non-ios to everything else is pointless as it's still the largest OS. Even comparing android to ios is insane as a guide to popularity.

Apple and Samsung are probably the only companies making money on tablets and apple will be far and away making way more profit in a sustainable way. It hardly seems right to compare many different approaches to hardware/software as in the same category.
 
And people wonder why folks don't like Mac users..

There is so much condescension in this thread it makes me gag..
 
In my humble opinion, people will gravitate back to the iPad for one reason: the superior iOS ecosystem, including predictability in getting operating system updates to fix technical issues and to upgrade functionality.

Indeed, given how good the "plain" version of Android 4.4 ("KitKat") is now, I would not be surprised that Google may strictly enforce a common Android UI with its successor.
 
TheHateMachine said:
This again... Search these forums and/or look at Apple's financial filing.

Apple reports shipped as sold when selling to retailers and carriers.
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Yes, but considering that they have only a few days worth of inventory at any given time, shipped basically equals sold….
 
I guess it really depends on the person and their field. I use my iPad for everything personal, every single day. Sometimes I'll even use it at work w/ the Penultimate app to take notes.

But it's not going to replace my laptop/desktop for my job functions. I'm a .NET dev at work and I doubt there will be an iOS version of Visual Studio any time soon. :p Plus I don't see the iPad being able to support 2 24" monitors. And working with a real keyboard and mouse is just quicker and easier for what I do than working w/ a touchscreen.

However, I do also use a Windows 8 tablet at work many times when I go to meetings or have to perform other IT functions in which my laptop is just too much to lug around.
Obviously I know everyone's situation is different but I'm in the boat where I have a use for all 3 types of devices. Except Android. I really have no need for Android at work. But I do love the Nexus 7. :eek: I just think it looks so awesome and I've toyed with it for about a week and I think it's buttery smooth. :D

I suppose a lot of these numbers really are geared at "PC" users and devices - emphasis on personal.
 
LordVic said:
This is pretty standard fair for Apple. Even back way way way in the day.

Apple, due to their closed nature, and "premium" pricing has always been niche player in any mature ecosystem.

What People forgot in the last decade was they led in 3 major platforms not because of "being the best". but because they were "first" (thats in quotes cause they were never actually first to market, just leaders in new market segments)

The iPod market? They led the mp3 player market for the first little while because they were one of the first and best devices in a brand new emerging market. Nobody had done mp3 players quite like apple till then. But once the Mp3 player market became mature, Apple no longer was the dominante #1 player.

Similar for Smartphone. Apple was one of the leaders in full screen touch devices. one of the first, and one of the first to really push and market them well. They also took advantage of their history in the ipod market to gain traction. While the Smartphone market was emerging, and therefore seeing the greatest % growth, Apple was at the forefront because they were early to the game and making a fantastic product. Again. now that Smartphones are a mature market. Apples Closed system and premium pricing isn't the #1 choice for devices anymore.

This is going to carry on to Tablets. same concept. Emerging Market that nobody really did right before, they are all over and able to leap ahead. Now that the Tablet market is mature, we're seeing the shift to other manufacturers again.

Why does this keep happening?

Choice. Apple maintains closed ecosystems with premium pricing. Technology isn't a "one size fits all" and so far, each mature marketplace that Apple helped Pioneer, have moved overall towards one of the competitors providing more substancial choices, resulting in overall more sales going elsewhere.

Please dont read this as me attacking apple in any way. this is their business. it's always been their business. And now as Tablets are a mature product segment with hundreds, if not thousands of manufacturers making tablets ranging in size from 5" cheap single core 512mb ram device, to the highest end windows tablets with haswell CPU's
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I agree on the part that I have put in bold.

But I'm coming to a different conclusion.

In the smartphone, mp3-player, PC and tablet market, Apple dominates the premium division, which is the goal of a premium brand.

There was an article posted here somewhere that Apple had upto 90% of the PC market for €1000 and higher priced computers with the rest being heavy gaming PC's like Alienware systems.

I would like to see the sales figures of the iPhone 5S and 5C compared to only premium models of Samsung, Nokia, HTC and other competitors.
Also the sales figures of the iPads and iPad Mini's to their direct counterparts and besides Creative, does Apple even have a direct competitor in the mp3-player market?
 
MacLC said:
iOS, Android, etc. don't have real file systems or fully functunal GUIs. They are not PCs. If I can't organize my files on it then it is not a PC. If I cannot customize my apps on it then it is not a PC. (etc etc /rant)

even the iPhone 3GS was faster than some of the G3 233MHz macs such as mine that ran OSX 10.0. No reason why we can't just get OSX on iPads and run legacy iOS software in emulation. We could call it Rosetta.

Then iPads would be PCs.
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perealb said:
OSX and iOS systems are both based on unix file system.
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So is Android, Firefox OS, Ubuntu Mobile....

All n*x based.

and in Android you do have direct access to the filesystem. just like any standard computer.

The only reason in iOS you don't have direct access to the file system is a concious decision by Apple to make it as difficult as possible and block access to the file system. Jailbreak your iOS device and install file navigation tools and you'll see there's a file subsystem there just like any other device.

However. "if it doesn't have a filesystem it's nota PC" is a silly statement. All "PC" stands for is "personal Computer". And can be applied to any device of a Computer nature which is used personally for activities of computational sorts.

Tablets, laptops, Ultrabooks, Desktops, Workstations are all "personal computers". Heck, even most mostern Smartphones are more personal computer than phone. the UX decision to allow or disallow direct accesst o the filesystem doesn't change the fact that they are computers or not.
 
Zendokan said:
I agree on the part that I have put in bold.

But I'm coming to a different conclusion.

In the smartphone, mp3-player, PC and tablet market, Apple dominates the premium division, which is the goal of a premium brand.

There was an article posted here somewhere that Apple had upto 90% of the PC market for €1000 and higher priced computers with the rest being heavy gaming PC's like Alienware systems.

I would like to see the sales figures of the iPhone 5S and 5C compared to only premium models of Samsung, Nokia, HTC and other competitors.
Also the sales figures of the iPads and iPad Mini's to their direct counterparts and besides Creative, does Apple even have a direct competitor in the mp3-player market?
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I think it would be a very interesting read to see what each tablet sells like at a given price point.

But thats not the subject :p. the subject was overal PC / tablet sales. So while Apple might dominate the high end market. They have absolutely zero penetration to the midrange / low end. So while yes, Android might have sky-rocketed past iPad sales due to these low end and midrange devices, the simple facts are that all devices combine, Apple's share is shrinking.

Dont get me wrong, I don't put a huge amount of stock in pure "market share numbers" since they're very narrow scope of the market. But it's still a statistic.
 
hamiltonDSi said:
The tablet can't replace a laptop. Not yet.
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Sure it can, and has, for most people.

Perhaps what you mean is that (iOS and Android) tablets cannot replace laptops in all scenarios?

The Surface/2 aims at doing just that. That is Microsoft's strategy: to differentiate itself from the rest of the tablet market by offering full desktop power in a tablet form factor. They're not there yet, but they are close.

I must admit that MSft is innovating here. Crudely, painfully, perhaps. But innovating nonetheless. Apple is sticking with tried and true; they did nail it out of the gate, as usual. But the Surface tablets are just another kind of device; a re-redefinition of the tablet.

I think Metro is superior to iOS in many ways, especially visually. If MSoft sticks with it and continues to polish, things may change down the road. Time will tell.
 
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