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I am surprised by the android stats - when I look around work, on the commute, at the airport, on holiday and amongst friends I see nothing but iPads

That's because those not using iPads are too embarrassed to let them be seen in public. :D
 
They will if the breakdown is by device or manufacturer.

I know, right? I mean, are they really gonna measure tablet sales via Apple vs. every other manufacturer combined? It's ridiculous. Let them measure Samsung to Apple and let's see how they stack up?

I feel the same with android, I think it's a huge false equivalency to measure android phones to iPhones because of the ability for multiple manufacturers to use android (for free) and then be counted against a single manufacturer. No one could compete with that!
 
Apple sells more iPads each year, and people read articles like this and conclude they're doing something wrong. It seems to me that this is the only thing that matters (increasing sales yoy, while maintaining a healthy profit on each unit sold). Whatever else is happening in the market is a distraction from the success of Apple and their iPad.
 
Actually the ability to share files between applications would be very nice....

iCloud is just too limited. How do I load a file in Pages from someone else iCloud on my device - and I don't mean using the Web versions.

No doubt, but the person I replied to ended their comment with this:

Without this, I cannot see any iPad use other than net surfing or fun.

Certainly sharing files between apps would be great, but it does not make the iPad useless for anything but net surfing or fun. iPad is the most productive tablet out there because it has great apps that are optimized for touch input. If that forum poster owned an iPad and could not find any use but net surfing or fun then he/she is using it wrong or does not know how to use the App Store.
 
"However, Apple is one of the few companies making money from the tablet boom. Premium products attract high value consumers; for Apple, remaining highly profitable and driving revenue from its entire ecosystem is of greater importance than market share statistics."

They make it sound as if these things are mutually exclusive.
Samsung dominates in market share AND is highly profitable. They are in a much stronger position, with more growth perspective in emerging markets and independent from a specific part of the market. Apple on the other hand is very dependent on the high-end. And Apple's profits are shrinking and despite a strongly growing global market for touch devices their revenue remains flat. I'd say they need to think about changing their strategy.

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Who cares if Android "dominates" the market?

for example

- app programmers
- third party accessory makers
- car manufacturers
- businesses who need to choose a company-wide platform

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The iPod market? They led the mp3 player market for the first little while because they were one of the first and best devices in a brand new emerging market. Nobody had done mp3 players quite like apple till then. But once the Mp3 player market became mature, Apple no longer was the dominante #1 player.

The iPod still IS the #1 MP3 player, at least in the US and in many European countries. It's actually a good example how you can dominate the market with a premium product. They did this by constantly innovating, pushing the edge in terms of usability, battery life and size. And of course by releasing more affordable iPod variations.
 
Over the course of the last several years, notebook and desktop PC shipments have declined as lighter, more portable tablets have surged in popularity and begun replacing traditional computers. In 2014, tablets will come even closer to dominating the PC market, accounting for half of all shipped PCs, according to a prediction from research firm Canalys.

This is what Steve Jobs envisioned when he talked about the 'post-PC' era and compared tablets to cars and desktops to trucks. Unfortunately a lot of MacRumors members took this to mean that Apple was about to kill the Mac, and stubbornly predicted this for some years. I see far less of those comments now though, so maybe more people are finally catching on. :)
 
Apple created the tablets market in 2010. There wasn't anything before that worth buying. Apple is never going to compete with $200 tablets for the same reason they never competed with $350 eMachines or netbooks or anything like that. With Android you also have these complete garbage $75-100 tablets floating around Asia that will make Apple's market share look even worse. But sales of the iPad will continue to grow, Apple will push the premium experience, and people will buy it because it's fast, easy, and has high-quality software and apps. If Apple starts putting out crap software, or doesn't get it's services in order, then it might have a problem. But I think in the long-run they'll be ok. They're also going to completely blow up new markets like wearables with the iWatch.

Apples had a good run, nothing lasts forever. There's nothing to be concerned with, Apple will do just fine with a smaller market share. There will always be those who'll pay the premium for Apples logo. It's the ebb and flow of business.
 
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Let's see if you're singing the same tune in a year when software updates cripple your Nexus 10 and make it feel like Nexus 10 years old.


Yea yea and iOS 7 makes iOS devices with A5 chip and earlier feels barely usable.
And original iPad Mini is just one year old :rolleyes:
 
I think multiple accounts will come to iOS eventually…

…it's just that sometimes Apple is incredibly slow at implementing new stuff.

Such as why not let us do a free text comment next to each ”Favorite Server” in the Finder "Connect to Server” window in OS X? Something I've asked for years ago that I think could be really useful for many people using OS X at work.
 
iPads are still in the lead as far as I'm concerned. I do not believe Android will dominate the tablet market. Consumers love iPad and they are not interested in subpar experiences regardless of price.

Well Apple make the same mistake with the desktop market, and the same mistake with the mobilephone market, will they make the same mistake with the tablet market ?

All Apple really has to do is Licence iOS so the market could be flooded by iOS devices and dominate, but they won't
 
"Out of the total PC market, which includes notebooks, tablets, and desktops, tablets are predicted to make up a total of 50 percent of all shipments."

What happened to "iPads (tablets) are not personal computers?"
When did that change?
Never! Words have meaning. And a "Tablet PC" is a failed form factor from 2002.

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One might feel the need to broaden the definition of PC, to also include all kinds of mobile computers (MC)?, smartphones and tablets, that are also used and possessed by individuals. But than PC would have two meanings, a broader and a narrower one. We would need context information to know which one it is. So we better keep PC to its traditional meaning of desktops and laptops only.

For naming a category that includes desktops and laptops as well as tablets, but not smartphones, Horace Dediu at Asymco has coined the term "large-screen devices". And that's it. It's not the "total PC market", its something that includes personal computers and mobile computers of an certain arbitrary screen size, big enough to do a little more work than possible with phone apps.

I don't know what's so hard with using words for what they mean.
 
I could live easily with an Android smartphone. But man these Android tablets are bad (the nexus 7 is decent though) and useless.

The Nexus 7 is adequate. I bought one, and it's ok, it does the job, but I somewhat wish I had an iPad mini, but then remember the display issues and think that I'll be ok waiting until next year. (Yes, I bought a retina iPad mini and returned it because it was ghosting.)
 
Well Apple make the same mistake with the desktop market, and the same mistake with the mobilephone market, will they make the same mistake with the tablet market?
Please redefine "mistake", so that it includes, becoming the most profitable and valuable non-oil company in history of global economics.
All Apple really has to do is Licence iOS so the market could be flooded by iOS devices and dominate, but they won't.
Yes, they have to devalue their biggest asset by making it a commodity. That would than be considered as being the opposite of the new meaning of "making a mistake".
 
Not sure if I'm missing the boat here on the iPad. It's a nice device, but just can't see owning one as my only computer.

I say that because buying one to sit between my expensive Retina MacBook Pro and iPhone 5s would be big time Apple overkill and would surely render one of those devices as a very pricey dust collector.

I could "get by" with just an iPad, but I guess I'd rather have the do-everything Mac and get my iOS experience from my iPhone which is the same thing only smaller.

Yes, I felt the same way when it first came out, I didn't really get it. After a while I realized, it wasn't made for me. It's made for people who do email, web, watch movies, listen to music, and games.

They don't want to do spreadsheets with it, they typically don't want to write long winded articles on it, they don't want to write code with it.

They don't wanna deal with configuration, they don't wanna deal with virus scanners, they don't wanna deal with activation, they don't wanna deal with spyware and malware. All the stuff we have to tolerate because we use a computer.

That's who the iPad is for, and that's a pretty big demographic.
 
iOS really needs to support "shared folders" across apps, keeping the robustness of apps sandboxing, but allowing the user to share files across apps (always as a request from the user, not an app request, since the later would be dangerous). Without this, I cannot see any iPad use other than net surfing or fun.
There are no files or folders in iOS. A folder now means grouping some apps in springboard. And files, they do no longer exist. We now have direct manipulation of items without knowledge of storage locations. Better get used to the (not so) new computing model introduced in 2007.
 
Yea yea and iOS 7 makes iOS devices with A5 chip and earlier feels barely usable.

That's just nonsense. Have you tried it? Of course not. iOS 7 runs perfectly fine on an iPhone 4S, that was released two years ago.

It's ridiculous to compare that to the lousy Android update situation. If you have an older Android phone you are definitely stuck on your old OS (unless of course you want to hack it but that's not a viable solution for the standard user)
 
Apple BY FAR makes the most money from their tablets, Samsung makes some and I imagine Amazon might be making a profit now on their Kindles.

And to a non shareholder that is important because...........?

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The important thing to consider isn't that apple will inevitably lose market share to low cost competitors but rather that apple is likely going to make more money next year on iPads than they did this year. I am willing to bet they do and that's all that really matters.

Why does that matter to anyone except stockholders?

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Let's see if you're singing the same tune in a year when software updates cripple your Nexus 10 and make it feel like Nexus 10 years old.

You mean like how the original iPad and iPad 2 feel now?
 
That's just nonsense. Have you tried it? Of course not. iOS 7 runs perfectly fine on an iPhone 4S, that was released two years ago.

It's ridiculous to compare that to the lousy Android update situation. If you have an older Android phone you are definitely stuck on your old OS (unless of course you want to hack it but that's not a viable solution for the standard user)

I have iPhone 4S in my hand. In fact I'm typing this reply on one.
It's sluggish at times. Newer games running slow on it. Mutlitasking is slow and crash sometimes thanks to 512MB of RAM ;)
Animation is stuttering too within Siri, Notification/Control Center. Oh and battery life decreased too.

Sure older hardware can have the newest iOS for 3 or even 4 years but with crippled features here and there.
 
iOS really needs to support "shared folders" across apps, keeping the robustness of apps sandboxing, but allowing the user to share files across apps (always as a request from the user, not an app request, since the later would be dangerous). Without this, I cannot see any iPad use other than net surfing or fun.

You just described "Open in…"
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The tablet can't replace a laptop. Not yet.

It's only a matter of time.

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Who cares if Android "dominates" the market

App developers. The Mac famously lost out because developers jumped ship to Windows as it began to dominate the PC market and it took a long time and near bankruptcy in the 90's before Apple came back. Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself and Apple are able to hang on to all those great app's.
 
Tablets have done little to impress me and most of them are pretty much useless in my opinion. Actually, the only tablet that I've expressed any interest in is actually the Windows Surface Pro tablet—it's almost what I've been wanting out of a tablet.
Funny how the only tablet in which you are interested in, isn't a real tablet, but a hybrid device or Tablet PC as they used to be called. :cool:
I wish Apple made a touch-based version of OS X (NOT iOS). Everything OS X offers, but just easier to manipulate things via touch.
Just admit that you are not interested in a tablet at all. What you want is a PC with a touch screen. Windows 8 exists to give you just what you have asked for. But be careful. Do not think it will be any "easier to manipulate things via touch". It will be much harder, because touch is imprecise compared to already pixel-accurate mouse pointers. Touch is good for scrolling and selecting things, but not manipulating them. Hence the notion of iPad being a consumption device. It's not the missing filesystem access or the missing power of ARM architecture, it's the limitations of touch input in general, that makes a tablet "less" of a computer.

You do want "Everything" that OS X offers? Than buy a Mac! It's really not that hard.
 
Lots of deniers and "head in the sanders" in here. There are quality "cheap" android tablets comin out now. $129-$199 non-google tablets that are getting software support from the manufacturers(eg OS upgrades). It's not all $500 and garbage anymore. It's this new wave that is going to kick apple where it counts.
 
Funny how the only tablet in which you are interested in, isn't a real tablet, but a hybrid device or Tablet PC as they used to be called. :cool:
Just admit that you are not interested in a tablet at all. What you want is a PC with a touch screen. Windows 8 exists to give you just what you have asked for. But be careful. Do not think it will be any "easier to manipulate things via touch". It will be much harder, because touch is imprecise compared to already pixel-accurate mouse pointers. Touch is good for scrolling and selecting things, but not manipulating them. Hence the notion of iPad being a consumption device. It's not the missing filesystem access or the missing power of ARM architecture, it's the limitations of touch input in general, that makes a tablet "less" of a computer.

You do want "Everything" that OS X offers? Than buy a Mac! It's really not that hard.

I'm actually not interested in touch screen PCs. But I do think that iOS and Android could be made much more usable without compromising the ease-of-use. Things could be done to bring the functionality of a full desktop-OS to a touch platform, but nobody has done it right.

I have a Mac.
 
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