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Actually, as a watch enthusiast/watch "collector", if you will, I thought the analogy was pretty good. The Apple watch is just a digital representation of a watch. It's not what we mechanical watch fans are looking for. We are looking for (because we appreciate the artistry and engineering involved) tiny little machines comprised of actual mechanical parts. And Apple watch/smart watch is just a digital simulation of that. It's not as rewarding or exciting. At least not to fans of the little tiny cases full of gears and springs. The average person is probably different. But then again, the average person doesn't care not can/will spend the money on an expensive Swiss watch. Again, like kdarling's analogy...to the average person, a flight simulator is probably "close enough" to flying a plane. But to a real pilot/flying enthusiast, it's not gonna cut it. Only the real thing would suffice.


I'm also a watch collector.

The analogy misses the point of function. So therefore poor as an "analogy".

A better one wound have been to compare flying a vintage fighter plane to a modern jet. Where they provide the same basic functions but in a different way.

Paintings to digital picture frame.

Classic car to modern electro car.

Etc.
 
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I'm alap a watch collector.



The analogy misses the point of function.


The whole point of function is moot with a watch collector, anyway. The almost$80,000 or so that I've spent in the past 18 months on watches had zero to do with function. I don't buy watches for "function". If I did, I wouldn't be buying Rolexes. As much as I love them, even I know they aren't the best at what they do. I have a $200 G-Shock that will always be far more accurate and tell me way more info than any Rolex I own. But what do you think I enjoy wearing most? So functionality isn't why high end watches are bought anyway.
 
The whole point of function is moot with a watch collector, anyway.

That is so far from reality!!!

Only the "hey look at me" collectors don't care about function.

Real watch enthusiasts care very much EXACTLY how a watch functions and what it does.

That is why there are enthusisats that love dive, flight, sailing, date, moon, racing chronographs, etc watches!

No era watch enthusiast would ever where a watch that doesn't tell time. Like no real flight enthusiast would take a video game over going somewhere in a real plane.


The above *analogy* is a poor one. Go back and read my edit!
 
Tag Heuer Partnering With Google and Intel to Build Connected Smartwatch

That is so far from reality!!!



Only the "hey look at me" collectors don't care about function.



Real watch enthusiasts care very much EXACTLY how a watch functions and what it does.



That is why there are enthusisats that love dive, flight, sailing, date, moon, racing chronographs, etc watches!



No era watch enthusiast would ever where a watch that doesn't tell time. Like no real flight enthusiast would take a video game over going somewhere in a real plane.





The above *analogy* is a poor one. Go back and read my edit!



I'm referring to "function" as in "being the most accurate timekeeper". Mechanical watches aren't bought for that "function". No mechanical watch can beat anything digital in that regard. And every watch enthusiast knows that. I appreciate complications as much as anyone. But I don't pretend that any of my "expensive" watches on my arm are anywhere near as accurate as a Quartz/digital anything.

As far as kdarling's analogy, I took it from the standpoint of if a person had a notion to experience "flying a plane". To most people, a simulator would probably be "close enough". But to a flying enthusiast, that's not going to cut it. In that regard, his analogy works.

But you're entitled to your own opinion, just the same as everyone else in the thread. As absurd as they may or may not be.
 
I'm sorry, but this has to be the worst analogy for this I've seen yet.

*chuckling*

In over 35 years online, I have yet to see anyone post an analogy on a forum that doesn't get slammed by someone else as being "the worst analogy ever" :)

So you can hate it, no problem. An analogy speaks best to those who share the same thought.

However, I think I should get credit for not using an automotive version, like virtually every other one :D
 
Wrist gadgets...

... anyone somewhat serious about fitness could look elsewhere for better deals, for example a Polar Loop, a fitness band that when connected with a real heath rate monitor gives accurate data. Anyone looking for a timeless accessory might consider some of the Swiss watch makers. Two videos to enjoy,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xn4TSULVd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCE0NwtLEV8

The particular movement, 3135, is also used in some Submariners.
 
Why people on threads liked this are still confusing mechanical watches with smartwatches ? :rolleyes:

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*chuckling*

In over 35 years online, I have yet to see anyone post an analogy on a forum that doesn't get slammed by someone else as being "the worst analogy ever" :)

So you can hate it, no problem. An analogy speaks best to those who share the same thought.

However, I think I should get credit for not using an automotive version, like virtually every other one :D

Maybe in those 35 years (in 1980 you were online almost alone) you saw people slammed mostly your analogies :rolleyes:
 
Why people on threads liked this are still confusing mechanical watches with smartwatches ? :rolleyes:


Probably because so many Apple fans are touting that the Apple watch is going to "end the Swiss watch industry". They (the blind Apple loyalists) don't realize that while it may impact the low end segment ($1500 and under), it going to have no immediate effect on the high end mechanical watch market. There isn't much overlap there. Those of us looking at $8000, $10,000 and up watches aren't interested in a smart watch.
 
Probably because so many Apple fans are touting that the Apple watch is going to "end the Swiss watch industry". They (the blind Apple loyalists) don't realize that while it may impact the low end segment ($1500 and under), it going to have no immediate effect on the high end mechanical watch market. There isn't much overlap there. Those of us looking at $8000, $10,000 and up watches aren't interested in a smart watch.

Stop speaking about Apple fans like you are somewhat "superior".
I'm surely an happy Apple user since 1990, I have a Lemania watch (that I rarely use) and I'd like to buy an Omega speedmaster.
You can be interested in mechanical watches AND smartwatches, since they have different jobs
 
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I'm referring to "function" as in "being the most accurate timekeeper.

The thing is a mechanical watch tells time "well enough" for any use. Having a watch that is more accurate doesn't really add any value. It doesn't do "anything different". It has no added value proposition.

Nobody (especially those wearing an expensive watch) plan their day down to the fractions of a second that separates mechanics and Quartz watches.

So the more beautiful and inspiring watch will always win that argument.

What the Watch *may* bring to the table that nothing before it has, is the value of true function that surpasses the vanity of a nice watch.
 
Stop speaking about Apple fans like you are somewhat "superior".

I'm surely an happy Apple user since 1990, I have a Lemania watch (that I rarely use) and I'd like to but an Omega speedmaster.

You can be interested in mechanical watches AND smartwatches, since they have different jobs


Lol. Cute. I am an Apple fan. I just don't pretend that they do everything right. I'm fine with them making a wrist worn gadget. And they usually do make very cool gadgets, even though I personally see no true utility in this one. And think it'll do fine in the Sport and maybe the stainless variants. What I think is peculiar and not well thought out is Apple suddenly carrying on and acting like they are a luxury watchmaker.
 
Lol. Cute. I am an Apple fan. I just don't pretend that they do everything right. I'm fine with them making a wrist worn gadget. And they usually do make very cool gadgets, even though I personally see no true utility in this one. And think it'll do fine in the Sport and maybe the stainless variants. What I think is peculiar and not well thought out is Apple suddenly carrying on and acting like they are a luxury watchmaker.

I actually can't see Apple act like they are a luxury watchmaker. I don't think they are targeting Rolex, omega or any other luxury watchmaker brand.
They are just launching a $350-1000 smartwatch.
With the Edition they are basically opening a brand new market: the luxury smartwatch market.
 
The thing is a mechanical watch tells time "well enough" for any use. Having a watch that is more accurate doesn't really add any value. It doesn't do "anything different". It has no added value proposition.



Nobody (especially those wearing an expensive watch) plan their day down to the fractions of a second that separates mechanics and Quartz watches.



So the more beautiful and inspiring watch will always win that argument.



What the Watch *may* bring to the table that nothing before it has, is the value of true function that surpasses the vanity of a nice watch.


Possibly true. But, the Apple watch and that "possible value of true function" has to be something that people who are actively buying nice watches actually want. But I don't see that happening as long as it's just a wrist worn remote screen for your iPhone that really needs to still be on or very near your person. For the foreseeable future, I don't see that swaying many current active buyers of luxury watches over. Now there IS a large percentage of people that don't wear a watch, or spend silly money on watches, and those are the people that are more likely to buy an Apple watch. But Apple still needs to win over a good bit of the current high end luxury crowd to ever gain any clout/prestige/etc within the watch world...IF Apple wants to become one of those "aspirational watch companies" that people dream of owning a product from.

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I actually can't see Apple act like they are a luxury watchmaker. I don't think they are targeting Rolex, omega or any other luxury watchmaker brand.

They are just launching a $350-1000 smartwatch.

With the Edition they are basically opening a brand new market: the luxury smartwatch market.


The only reason I even say that Apple seems to want to be viewed as a serious watch company is the pricing of all but the Sport model and associated bands. Look at how many Apple faithful are appalled by the thought of a $500 metal link bracelet, or a $175 or so leather band. Those are more in line with the entry level "expensive" watch companies (TAG, Sinn, etc) . As a watch enthusiast myself, I actually think the prices are reasonable considering what I'm accustomed to paying or seeing bands for my watches priced at. But the average Apple buyer isn't, and there's a lot of talk about Apple being priced too high. The Edition is a farce as far as I'm concerned, and only there for a very small percentage of "new money" primarily in Asia that would buy gold toilet paper if they could.
 
Possibly true. But, the Apple watch and that "possible value of true function" has to be something that people who are actively buying nice watches actually want. But I don't see that happening as long as it's just a wrist worn remote screen for your iPhone that really needs to still be on or very near your person. For the foreseeable future, I don't see that swaying many current active buyers of luxury watches over. Now there IS a large percentage of people that don't wear a watch, or spend silly money on watches, and those are the people that are more likely to buy an Apple watch. But Apple still needs to win over a good bit of the current high end luxury crowd to ever gain any clout/prestige/etc within the watch world...IF Apple wants to become one of those "aspirational watch companies" that people dream of owning a product from.

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The only reason I even say that Apple seems to want to be viewed as a serious watch company is the pricing of all but the Sport model and associated bands. Look at how many Apple faithful are appalled by the thought of a $500 metal link bracelet, or a $175 or so leather band. Those are more in line with the entry level "expensive" watch companies (TAG, Sinn, etc) . As a watch enthusiast myself, I actually think the prices are reasonable considering what I'm accustomed to paying or seeing bands for my watches priced at. But the average Apple buyer isn't, and there's a lot of talk about Apple being priced too high. The Edition is a farce as far as I'm concerned, and only there for a very small percentage of "new money" primarily in Asia that would buy gold toilet paper if they could.

The Edition is targeted at people different from you and me.
Those people most probably already own a Rolex and can afford a $17.000 gadget just for fun.
With $6-800 you can buy an Apple Watch in a decent configuration, if you wish, and that's less than half the requirement for an entry level luxury watch.
 
The thing is a mechanical watch tells time "well enough" for any use. Having a watch that is more accurate doesn't really add any value. It doesn't do "anything different". It has no added value proposition.

Nobody (especially those wearing an expensive watch) plan their day down to the fractions of a second that separates mechanics and Quartz watches.

So the more beautiful and inspiring watch will always win that argument.

What the Watch *may* bring to the table that nothing before it has, is the value of true function that surpasses the vanity of a nice watch.

Here's the way I see Smartwatches, explained in a few nice little scenarios.

-Regular Mechanical Watch

"Hey, Bob! What time is it?"

:Looks at wrist:

"It's 5."

"....k."

-Smartwatch

"Hey, bob! What time is it?"

:looks at wrist:

"It's 5, also my bloodpressure is 107 over 74."

"...k."

Now let's get into the expanded functionality of a Smartwatch.

-Smartphone

:Bob is walking along, minding his own business when suddenly his phone starts buzzing on his thigh:

:pulls out phone:

"Holy poop! My grandma called! I better see what's up!"

:Makes phonecall:

-Smartwatch

:Bob is walking along, minding his own business when suddenly his watch starts buzzing on his wrist:

:looks at wrist:

"Holy poop! My grandma called! I better see what's up! Also, I've walked 6 miles!"

:pulls out phone:

:Makes phonecall:

Now there are advantages to a Smartwatch. The senors on the bottom attest to that. But for a lot of things that aren't health related, it's pretty redundant, not really offering anything you're not already getting. For phonecalls, text messages, and whatnot, it's a notification center on your wrist. You still have to have a smartphone on you to both get them and reply to them.

They don't completely replace anything. Rather, they act as an extension to the things you already have. It's for this reason that I don't consider them The Next Big Thing. They're accessories for your accessories. Now with that said, I don't think they're going to fall flat in the market. I have a feeling the Apple Watch is going to be a modest success. But it won't sell in the hundreds of millions.

What I'm arguing against are all these people who keep saying "people said the same thing about Product X, and look how that turned out. The Apple Watch is going to be HUUUGGGEEE". They're basically countering a fallacy with another fallacy. They're not taking into account that Product X offered a truly better way to do things, and assume that just because some people shot it down before it hit it big, then obviously the naysayers are just as wrong now.

Smartphones replaced regular cell phones because they act as a central communications device. It covers everything from phonecalls, to emails, to the internet in one convenient, highly portable package.

Tablets became a success because they're easier to use, generally more stable, and more convenient than traditional laptops. For some people, an iPad covers their use cases far better than a Macbook Air.

...so what do Smartwatches replace entirely? Nothing. They assist the things we're already using, and offer a couple of very specific health related features. Are they handy? Certainly. Will they change the course of every day life? Nope.

This is why the Apple Watch won't be the next iPhone or iPad.
 
The Edition is targeted at people different from you and me.

Those people most probably already own a Rolex and can afford a $17.000 gadget just for fun.

With $6-800 you can buy an Apple Watch in a decent configuration, if you wish, and that's less than half the requirement for an entry level luxury watch.


Someone owning a rolex doesn't necessarily have that kind of money to where $17,000 is a drop in the bucket. You're in some serious money and watches at that point. Lol. Most Rolex models are at the entry point of true expensive watches. Hell I've bought 9 in the past 12 months and I wouldn't dare buy a $10,000 or $17,000 Apple watch. So the Edition is for a VERY small market, in my opinion. So it's a very small market in my opinion. Someone who is probably not already a mechanical watch fan, and who has no qualms about blowing that kind of money on disposable tech. So yes, they are apparently very different from you and I.
 
Two things.

1. You obviously didn't read the full fnctionity of the Watch. You are claiming "pull out phone" for things the Watch does.

2. You are clearly looking for how it "won't work" vs how it "will work"


I posted a whole use case a page back that gives several examples where this Watch would provide clear function over a basic timepiece. Many many more use cases could be made for its advantages.




Here's the way I see Smartwatches, explained in a few nice little scenarios.

-Regular Mechanical Watch

"Hey, Bob! What time is it?"

:Looks at wrist:

"It's 5."

"....k."

-Smartwatch

"Hey, bob! What time is it?"

:looks at wrist:

"It's 5, also my bloodpressure is 107 over 74."

"...k."

Now let's get into the expanded functionality of a Smartwatch.

-Smartphone

:Bob is walking along, minding his own business when suddenly his phone starts buzzing on his thigh:

:pulls out phone:

"Holy poop! My grandma called! I better see what's up!"

:Makes phonecall:

-Smartwatch

:Bob is walking along, minding his own business when suddenly his watch starts buzzing on his wrist:

:looks at wrist:

"Holy poop! My grandma called! I better see what's up! Also, I've walked 6 miles!"

:pulls out phone:

:Makes phonecall:

Now there are advantages to a Smartwatch. The senors on the bottom attest to that. But for a lot of things that aren't health related, it's pretty redundant, not really offering anything you're not already getting. For phonecalls, text messages, and whatnot, it's a notification center on your wrist. You still have to have a smartphone on you to both get them and reply to them.

They don't completely replace anything. Rather, they act as an extension to the things you already have. It's for this reason that I don't consider them The Next Big Thing. They're accessories for your accessories. Now with that said, I don't think they're going to fall flat in the market. I have a feeling the Apple Watch is going to be a modest success. But it won't sell in the hundreds of millions.

What I'm arguing against are all these people who keep saying "people said the same thing about Product X, and look how that turned out. The Apple Watch is going to be HUUUGGGEEE". They're basically countering a fallacy with another fallacy. They're not taking into account that Product X offered a truly better way to do things, and assume that just because some people shot it down before it hit it big, then obviously the naysayers are just as wrong now.

Smartphones replaced regular cell phones because they act as a central communications device. It covers everything from phonecalls, to emails, to the internet in one convenient, highly portable package.

Tablets became a success because they're easier to use, generally more stable, and more convenient than traditional laptops. For some people, an iPad covers their use cases far better than a Macbook Air.

...so what do Smartwatches replace entirely? Nothing. They assist the things we're already using, and offer a couple of very specific health related features. Are they handy? Certainly. Will they change the course of every day life? Nope.

This is why the Apple Watch won't be the next iPhone or iPad.
 
Here's the way I see Smartwatches, explained in a few nice little scenarios.

-Regular Mechanical Watch

"Hey, Bob! What time is it?"

:Looks at wrist:

"It's 5."

"....k."

-Smartwatch

"Hey, bob! What time is it?"

:looks at wrist:

"It's 5, also my bloodpressure is 107 over 74."

"...k."

Now let's get into the expanded functionality of a Smartwatch.

-Smartphone

:Bob is walking along, minding his own business when suddenly his phone starts buzzing on his thigh:

:pulls out phone:

"Holy poop! My grandma called! I better see what's up!"

:Makes phonecall:

-Smartwatch

:Bob is walking along, minding his own business when suddenly his watch starts buzzing on his wrist:

:looks at wrist:

"Holy poop! My grandma called! I better see what's up! Also, I've walked 6 miles!"

:pulls out phone:

:Makes phonecall:

Now there are advantages to a Smartwatch. The senors on the bottom attest to that. But for a lot of things that aren't health related, it's pretty redundant, not really offering anything you're not already getting. For phonecalls, text messages, and whatnot, it's a notification center on your wrist. You still have to have a smartphone on you to both get them and reply to them.

They don't completely replace anything. Rather, they act as an extension to the things you already have. It's for this reason that I don't consider them The Next Big Thing. They're accessories for your accessories. Now with that said, I don't think they're going to fall flat in the market. I have a feeling the Apple Watch is going to be a modest success. But it won't sell in the hundreds of millions.

What I'm arguing against are all these people who keep saying "people said the same thing about Product X, and look how that turned out. The Apple Watch is going to be HUUUGGGEEE". They're basically countering a fallacy with another fallacy. They're not taking into account that Product X offered a truly better way to do things, and assume that just because some people shot it down before it hit it big, then obviously the naysayers are just as wrong now.

Smartphones replaced regular cell phones because they act as a central communications device. It covers everything from phonecalls, to emails, to the internet in one convenient, highly portable package.

Tablets became a success because they're easier to use, generally more stable, and more convenient than traditional laptops. For some people, an iPad covers their use cases far better than a Macbook Air.

...so what do Smartwatches replace entirely? Nothing. They assist the things we're already using, and offer a couple of very specific health related features. Are they handy? Certainly. Will they change the course of every day life? Nope.

This is why the Apple Watch won't be the next iPhone or iPad.


I just have to say that this is one of the best posts I've seen, and mirrors my thoughts exactly on why I feel that this Apple product won't be the "watch industry game changer" that so many Apple fans/people are screaming it will be. It's not the next iPhone for the watch industry.
 
Two things.

1. You obviously didn't read the full fnctionity of the Watch. You are claiming "pull out phone" for things the Watch does.

2. You are clearly looking for how it "won't work" vs how it "will work"

I posted a whole use case a page back that gives several examples where this Watch would provide clear function over a basic timepiece. Many many more use cases could be made for its advantages.

Of course it'll do tons more things than a regular mechanical watch. It's a little computer. I'd expect it to do a lot more.

But what more can it do in comparison to a smartphone? What can it offer that nothing else does? What does it do that people didn't think they needed until they see it in action? What does it replace?

My answer to that is that it does a lot of little things pretty well, a couple of things very well, but nothing that hasn't been done already that's considerably more convenient on a small screen.
 
Of course it'll do tons more things than a regular mechanical watch. It's a little computer. I'd expect it to do a lot more.



But what more can it do in comparison to a smartphone? What can it offer that nothing else does? What does it do that people didn't think they needed until they see it in action? What does it replace?



My answer to that is that it does a lot of little things pretty well, a couple of things very well, but nothing that hasn't been done already that's considerably more convenient on a small screen.


Exactly. Almost every single thing I would want a smart watch/Apple watch for, I also need the iPhone for.
If I have to have the iPhone on me or near me, why do I want to buy the Apple watch? It's not useful to me until it's a standalone product, with GPS.

And for the people earlier in the thread that are saying the the Apple watch will eventually BECOME the phone....do you realize how long that will be? Battery tech has to advance light years, processing power has to increase, etc. Apple just spent probably billions enlarging all their phones. The iPhone isn't moving to the wrist for a long time, if ever.
 
Exactly. Almost every single thing I would want a smart watch/Apple watch for, I also need the iPhone for.
If I have to have the iPhone on me or near me, why do I want to buy the Apple watch? It's not useful to me until it's a standalone product, with GPS.

And for the people earlier in the thread that are saying the the Apple watch will eventually BECOME the phone....do you realize how long that will be? Battery tech has to advance light years, processing power has to increase, etc. Apple just spent probably billions enlarging all their phones. The iPhone isn't moving to the wrist for a long time, if ever.

Plus you gotta consider the size of the thing. I couldn't imagine people texting each other, or reading emails on a screen that small.

I have no doubt we'll see some improvements made to smartwatches over the years, and they will eventually carve a little niche out for themselves. But they're not the new smartphone revolution for smartphones. There are some things they just can't do.
 
Plus you gotta consider the size of the thing. I couldn't imagine people texting each other, or reading emails on a screen that small.



I have no doubt we'll see some improvements made to smartwatches over the years, and they will eventually carve a little niche out for themselves. But they're not the new smartphone revolution for smartphones. There are some things they just can't do.


Yep. Unless there ends up being some kind of sci-fi holographic tech years from now, the wrist just can't house a screen large enough to do anything productive (as you say, emails, web browsing, etc). Nor have the computing power or battery power for that. It's a Notification Center and a smartphone remote control at best. Maybe a tiny second screen for my iPhone, that needs my iPhone to really work.
 
What I think most people are missing here in the announcement is the name "INTEL" attached to this.

That means, that all liklihood this watch will NOT be powered by an arm processor.

this is a fundamental shift in the mobile platform game where previously, ARM was the go to standard for low power efficient battery responsible CPU"s for embedded systems.

What does INtel have up it's sleeve for this watch?

I always believed that we wouldn't see truly successful smartwatches until they start bringing about dedicated CPU"s that are intended exclusively for watches that are more geared for their behaviour than an all around general CPU. the Battery savings from such tech would be tremendous.
 
For those who may be interested, the BBC has posted a couple of articles from this weeks Basel World (for those not in the know, this is the worlds premier watch show). One is an article about the wackier side of high end watches, this may give some who are not really into watches an idea about what exactly a high end watch is, and what high end buyers look for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31979004

This second article is perhaps more relevant to this thread; smart watches. Of most interest I think is that Breitling is mentioned, they have what I think is best described as a smarter watch (not smart!), which will be released towards the end of the year. Also the number of entrants into this field for 2015.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31957142
 
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