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Apple is starting a new business to make money... That business consists of a service that takes someone else's work - music - and resells it by streaming it. Hosting, storage, bandwidth, marketing, programming, management... are all cost elements of that new business, whose prime component is someone else's music!!!!

Is Apple forcing internet/mobile carriers to subsidize the stream during the trail? No.

Are marketers being paid? server administrators? server and hard drive manufacturers? Yes, yes, yes and yes.

And it's not like Apple is making the artists and musicians shareholders of the business either, so why should they be the only ones not getting paid? And remember, without artists and musicians, btw, there would be no music, hence NO business whatsoever.

Of course there's the argument that "Apple saved the music industry with the iTunes business model, which helped curve down piracy"... but that argument is seriously debated... and if it really saved the industry, why should it save it again now?

So yes, Apple should pay them as they pay for everything else needed to launch a profitable business consisting in reselling someone else's work.

Apple should live up to the responsibility it holds as the company it claims to be - by really innovating and developing better products - instead of looking for petty ways of cheating workers, artists, developers and customers from pennies of their work.

PS. I really wonder what makes some folks blindly and stubbornly defend Apple in what is a clear case of greedy douchebaggery. I seriously wonder.

I laugh because you seriously think this is a witch hunt against artists. Please, Apple thrived from artists and vice-versa with iTunes. It's not personal, it's BUSINESS.
 
She's being very disingenuous with respect to her letter to Apple.

1) She is only pulling her new album, 1989. Everything else of hers will stream.

Her new album will only be new for a few months - those same few months that Apple won't pay her.
 
I laugh because you seriously think this is a witch hunt against artists. Please, Apple thrived from artists and vice-versa with iTunes. It's not personal, it's BUSINESS.

As you said, it's not a witch hunt. It's business. And Apple is acting rather poorly. Can you make an "it's business" argument to justify Apple's behavior? Sure. Should you? I don't think so. Make no mistake. Apple is the one benefiting. Every time they sell an iPhone, they make bank. WAY WAY WAY more than an indie artist is going to make on streaming royalties during the three month trial period. Apple talks a good game about supporting developers, caring about the arts, etc. So do the right thing and pay people for using their music. Apple can more than afford to do it. The fact that they are not makes me think less of them.
 
Somebody knows what is gonna come after streaming? any clue? and no don't say back to vinyl, hell NO! :D
 
actually I would see it as an opportunity. You give and you get much more. I'm interested to hear unknown artists. I want to hear people from all over the world. I do not care about Britney, Madonna and this chick is not that popular in Europe anyway.
 
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I don't know either, but I'm not american, had she erotic photos leaked when the icloud thing?

Ahhh, so... not so much a music fan, but rather an illegal privacy violation / p0rn enthusiast? ;)

I'm not american either, and I haven't listened to a single full Taylor Swift song either... but I still know who she is.

In any case, if you truly don't know, a simple select/right click/search with google would be an easier way to find out, instead of asking the whole forum.

Seems like trolling to me.
 
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Everyone who does.. or stops using it.
Every play that AM gets between July and October that would have previously gone to any other service is money the artist is not getting..

Nope - that every play on AM in that time would have gone to another service is an assumption on your part.

There will likely be millions of people who stream music on Apple Music in those three months who have never previously streamed any music, and wouldn't have been about to had Apple Music not piqued their interest.
 
We simply come from different cultures, respect me.

I cannot fathom any culture that tells you that pirating other's work is okay. Please tell me which.

Now I'm not gonna sit here and say that I've never pirated anything, which is untrue. I have, definitely, but at least I'm conscious that's it's wrong.
 
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Ahhh, so... not so much a music fan, but rather an illegal privacy violation / p0rn enthusiast? ;)

I'm not american either, and I haven't listened to a single full Taylor Swift song either... but I still know who she is.

In any case, if you truly don't know, a simple select/right click/search with google would be an easier way to find out, instead of asking the whole forum.

Seems like trolling to me.

No trolling at all, although I admit it can look like that simply because it looks like we're very different persons. I've not searched because she looks like a pop singer and I don't like pop music. Of course it would be nice to have some more detailed photos so I can know her a little bit better :oops: Just curiosity
 
I cannot fathom any culture that tells you that pirating other's work is okay. Please tell me which.

Well this is not a first world planet..you know, millions of poor people on many third world countries...

I'm not justifying piracy but i can't blame poor people for doing it either.
 
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I'm sorry but you're entire posts speaks nothing but your own opinion and not facts. Carrie Underwood's current song on Spotify #25 of the top 40 in country music. I don't even listen her music as I am not a country music fan but I don't have to be one to know who's relevant. She's very relevant. At least she holds true to her craft.

Taylor Swift jumped out of the country bandwagon very shortly after her interaction with Kanye West. But it's okay, go ahead and support FAKE artists because that's what they are when they do what she did. I mean, an ARTIST is a person of craft IMO and not one who just wants a ton of tween Twitter followers and puts out music for the masses just because it's gonna make them instantly rich.

What on earth are you even talking about?

How exactly is Taylor Swift a "fake artist" just because she is making a different kind of music than she previously was?

Were, I dunno, Pink Floyd a fake artist when they made something like The Wall rather than more stuff like Ummagumma?

Were, I dunno, The Beatles a fake artist when they made something like Sgt Pepper rather than more stuff like Please Please Me?

Or does this only apply to someone like Swift, because you happen to have a low opinion of modern pop music?
 
As you said, it's not a witch hunt. It's business. And Apple is acting rather poorly. Can you make an "it's business" argument to justify Apple's behavior? Sure. Should you? I don't think so. Make no mistake. Apple is the one benefiting. Every time they sell an iPhone, they make bank. WAY WAY WAY more than an indie artist is going to make on streaming royalties during the three month trial period. Apple talks a good game about supporting developers, caring about the arts, etc. So do the right thing and pay people for using their music. Apple can more than afford to do it. The fact that they are not makes me think less of them.

You do raise valid points, and Apple changing their stance on this won't affect anyone but the artists in the long run (consumers care today, tomorrow is a different day...by June 30th they're be roaring to sign up and experience 3 free months). I honestly don't think they will pay the artists, but hopefully I'm wrong.
 
What on earth are you even talking about?

How exactly is Taylor Swift a "fake artist" just because she is making a different kind of music than she previously was?

Were, I dunno, Pink Floyd a fake artist when they made something like The Wall rather than more stuff like Ummagumma?

Were, I dunno, The Beatles a fake artist when they made something like Sgt Pepper rather than more stuff like Please Please Me?

Or does this only apply to someone like Swift, because you happen to have a low opinion of modern pop music?
You've said a mouthful for the both of us.
 
"We don’t ask you for free iPhones. Please don’t ask us to provide you with our music for no compensation."

But you want to put your music on Apple's platform, for free, running on Apple's servers and infrastructure, for free, and with quick access to user's credit cards, for free. This iTunes streaming service is a music platform that Apple is devoting plenty of advertising and RnD money towards but Ms Taylor does not want to pay a cent for it. Instead she wants Apple to pay every single artist on their catalogue for 3 months so that Apple can successfully promote a service that ultimately will benefit them. I'm sorry but she is 100% wrong here. You can still sell your music for $.99 if you don't like it, Apple does not owe you any money, you are either in for the opportunity or you are out. Apple Inc is a business, not your mother.
 
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Well this is not a first world planet..you know, millions of poor people on many third world countries...

I'm not justifying piracy but i can't blame poor people for doing it either.

Here's the thing. If you're like "I pirate but I know I shouldn't", that's at least showing consciousness.

But going "I pirate because artists don't deserve ****, money is better in my pocket, screw them" it's a complete disregard for the artist you're listening to and what they make.
 
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