Yes, but the fact remains apple is gaining a benefit, the consumer enjoying music and yet the people who worked at creating the music are not getting their fair share.
So are the artists.
Yes, but the fact remains apple is gaining a benefit, the consumer enjoying music and yet the people who worked at creating the music are not getting their fair share.
I cannot fathom any culture that tells you that pirating other's work is okay. Please tell me which.
Now I'm not gonna sit here and say that I've never pirated anything, which is untrue. I have, definitely, but at least I'm conscious that's it's wrong.
She's more of a performance artist, right? Which of her hit songs did she write herself, I forget...
Doesn't mean she's not talented, though...
It has been in the top 10 of itunes since launch, which was October 2014. "New" doesn't apply to her, apparently.
Don't know details of the contracts obviously but she and others I would imagine will make much more in the long run because Apple is paying more than "normal" for streaming after the 3 months.
Here's the thing. If you're like "I pirate but I know I shouldn't", that's at least showing consciousness.
But going "I pirate because artists don't deserve ****, money is better in my pocket, screw them" it's a complete disregard for the artist you're listening to and what they make.
That is simply not true. They get paid now via services like Spotify. When people switch to Apple Music during the free trial period, then these payments will go away. So it is not going from "nothing to something" but from "something to less and back to something". Some artists can't afford that "less" period.
Amazing how few people understand that here. The math is so unbelievably basic.
Spanish, here you have one of the most important genres from the XVI century spanish literature:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Picaresque_novel
You see.
"We don’t ask you for free iPhones. Please don’t ask us to provide you with our music for no compensation."
But you want to put your music on Apple's platform for free, running on Apple's server for free and with quick access to user's credit cards for free. iTunes is a music platform that Apple devotes plenty of advertising and RnD money that Ms Taylor does not pay a cent for. On top of that she wants Apple to pay every single artist on their catalogue for 3 months so that Apple can successfully promote a service that ultimately will benefit them. I'm sorry but she is 100% wrong here. You can still sell your music for $.99 if you don't like it, Apple does not owe you any money, you are either in for the opportunity or you are out. Apple Inc is a business, not your mother.
She's more of a performance artist, right? Which of her hit songs did she write herself, I forget...
Doesn't mean she's not talented, though...
Spain is not a poor country, though.
They're not putting their music for free on Apple, Apple gets a 30% cut. Plus, Apple music benefits Apple way more than it benefits artists.
china.. for startersI cannot fathom any culture that tells you that pirating other's work is okay. Please tell me which.
I also had thought Apple was paying for the free trial. Instead they want the artists to pay for pumping up Apple's new business.
It's is as if OpenTable decided to give away three months of free restaurant meals to build up their reservation business, but wanted the restaurants to pay for it.
Spain is not a poor country, though.
Not yet....ask Germany![]()
yes I would and so would many others based on the postings here clamoring for Apple music. I've been using subscription services from before Spotify was around. They are awesome.
Anyways, why do I need a trial to enjoy a service so revolutionary?
artist actually only get paid from radio if they actually wrote the song. Most do not, so they don't get paid at all from radio play.When you listen on the radio the radio station pays royalties
Well this is not a first world planet..you know, millions of poor people on many third world countries...
I'm not justifying piracy but i can't blame poor people for doing it either.
Writing the songs on your own album doesn't prove the artist is talented. High sales of an album the first week doesn't mean the album is any good either. When you have a continuing fan base of tween girls that crap sells regardless.You're right - the fact that she wrote or co-wrote all the songs on 1989 doesn't mean she's not talented.
It does not have to do with being poor or not. I'm an investment fund manager, it's simply that I don't pay because I can. Cultural thing like I said. And I don't feel bad, it feels nice/funny indeed.
Writing the songs on your own album doesn't prove the artist is talented. High sales of an album the first week doesn't mean the album is any good either. When you have a continuing fan base of tween girls that crap sells regardless.
Sure, but as smart as many of us seem to be, you'd think we could be a bit more objective about topics like this. The love & loyalty to a brand is dazzling but does it really need to be put about all else in all things? I like Apple just fine. I own lots of Apple stuff. If we all gathered together in one place, I'd likely blend right in. But wow, sometimes our group here just seems so over the top. There are so many threads on this site where we argue on behalf of being sure the artists get paid. We are so anti-middlemen-brands ripping off the flow of profits from us consumers to the artists who create what we want to buy. Now here's a situation where Apple is going to be the middleman and the artists are basically crying out for help. What do we do? Most of us sees it as Apple vs. starving artists and the latter is wrong... and here's 30 reasons why.
MACrumors or not, can we not have our own opinions? If we're writing what we actually believe, would it be the same if this was a Samsung-based thread for a new Samsung streaming music? It should be the same. But I believe we'd be at least 90% the other way. If my belief is true, we're not really writing what we believe but simply trading off what we believe in blind support of a brand.
My own take here is that this is actually a PR problem. A relatively high profile artist has now taken on a stance here not for loading her own well-loaded pockets but for the poor end of the pond in which she's one of the biggest fish. If her plea resonates enough, maybe other bigger-name artists will chime in too (against which we will of course bash the crap out of them and their music as well). However, if enough stink can be made here, Apple could flip the entire situation around by spending a relatively small amount of money to subsidize the artists during the free trial and then even spin that as Apple very tangibly looking out for the artists. Such a move would put great pressure on Apple's competitors like Spotify to show how they too are looking out for the artists. And Apple's sheer size and power would win that PR battle, making them look so very good beyond us Apple fans instead of looking like a big bully shifting costs to starving artists such that some of those artists have to try to speak up in their calls for help.
Apple would write the entire expense off as marketing expense associated with launching this new service. That would lower their tax liability which would help such a VERY profitable company. Apple could leverage iAd to help pay for the trial spinning that the ads will stop once the free trial ends. I would guess THAT could probably foot the bill for the whole trial such that it would cost Apple nothing out of pocket.
Is there precedent for this? Remember when Apple took action after some suicides in China? They implemented some new standards for Chinese labor building Apple products. That most certainly cost Apple some money. But it also scored big points on good will, making Apple look like a company that cares about the little guy.
Remember when Apple was getting some bad PR for not being as green as possible? Apple has spent HUGE to evolve their manufacturing so they can improve their reputation as being much more of a green company today.
In both cases, they were not forced to do either but they chose to move on both either because they genuinely cared about their effect on the little guy or it was worth it from a PR perspective. Here's another chance. A simple choice this week could be spun into Apple looking out for the starving artists. Yes, like the Chinese labor thing or the "let's be more environmentally sound" thing, it would cost some money (upwards of about $2.2 Billion if 100 million people took Apple up on all 3 months of the free trial). But WOW!.. could Apple spin that as a very tangible example of how they care about the artists who create the music that we and Apple love. They'll write the whole cost off and more than make up for it if a fair amount of subscribers decide to pay for the subscription, so this would likely cost Apple a whole lot less than evolving Chinese labor practices or getting so green.
That's an easy, simple, relatively low-cost solution that would have artists both big & small praising Apple instead of crying out for help. A big part of PR is turning lemons into lemonade. In this case, a little marketing expense would fully resolve this issue and have the Taylor Swifts and the Brian Jonestown Massacres singing their praises instead of casting them as a new "greedy middleman."
So you're telling me you actually have money but disrespect others work? That's terrible.
Please tell me whenever you release something (be it an app, movie, song, what have you) so I can pirate it. I'm sure that will feel nice/funny to you.
For once I support TS.
What other industry than the arts gets abused so much by corporations? Imagine telling a lawyer, doctor, McDonalds, anything that you want their product/labor for free for three months then if you like it then you'll decide to pay them. Absolute crap.