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I think no-one should buy this trash. It should not be allowed to sell this smoking pile ...

I wouldn't necessarily call this trash, but there are enough drawbacks with this new design that I don't fancy it and certainly won't be buying it.
 
Here's a diagram made using iFixit's updated info:

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While the tweeters do get some holes, the majority of the grille is just for looks.
 
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I too have programmed with a stack of punch cards and I am quite glad I no longer have to worry about dropping them (for you youngins each card held one line of code).

Agreed. I once watched somebody drop and entire box of coded punch cards that was needed for his dissertation. He hadn't numbered them...

All devices are "ticking time bombs" and disposable, just like those old stacks of cards; it wasn't if one would drop them it was when.

When will the average 2016 MBP need to be repaired? Statistically a lot less than previous models.

I am not sure glue holds up better than, say, screws. In any case, my point is based on the user experience - being able to upgrade to lengthen the useful life of the computer. I understand all devices ultimately fail, but if you can reduce the rate at which you generate electronic trash by upgrading machines.

And, yes, I'm rocking an iPhone 4S on its third battery case. What of it?
 
I think you mean 2K or 2000 :p

Not sure about that percentage but yes, I can imagine that lots of people wouldn't be able to.

Personally, I wouldn't get a $2000 laptop then. I'd rather work on a $1000 laptop and have another $1000 in the bank, just in case.
Yeah I mean 2k, anyways the point is that if you choose Apple for the OS as I do (an of course design, battery life, etc.. but mainly the OS), you don't have much choice. It's either 2k or worse. And the old price way more than ok in my opinion, the new one is really too high. BUT if you want to spend those money because having MacOS is important to you, then it doesn't make any sense buying a ******** computer for 1k just to be able to replace right away..
 
Really? I assume you've crunched the numbers then, which you've obtained from a reliable source other than your rear end. I'm all ears, erh.. eyes.

Numbers? I'm not talking cost. I'm talking about the environment and raw materials. It's common sense having to replace a whole motherboard and all it's components is worse for the environment than an individual part. I guess you don't think global warming is real either.
 
BUT if you want to spend those money because having MacOS is important to you, then it doesn't make any sense buying a ******** computer for 1k just to be able to replace right away..
I agree that if you choose for macOS, then things have gotten more expensive with the latest models.

However, it's good financial sense to have a buffer. I'm not saying that you keep a buffer specifically for replacing your notebook. Just that it's common sense to keep a buffer.
 
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And, yes, I'm rocking an iPhone 4S on its third battery case. What of it?

Hey if it fits your needs fantastic!

I'm at a point where I can afford to spend some funds for the latest stuff, but it wasn't so many years ago.

In spite of all the complainers here the truth is if a 2010 MBP still works and meets a person's needs the only real reason to upgrade is to have the latest machine. My wife loves her 2010 13" MBP.
 
For anyone who curious. Even though people said the grills are cosmetic, i tried covering the grills with my hand and the sound became a bit muffled. Maybe it's not pure cosmetic after all.
 
This looks like the only reasonable response. If the computer is designed to not be repaired, then we should have longer warranties.
It is.
I really don't get how in 2016 we still have such crappy warranties in every thing we buy, everything is disposable.
 
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This looks like the only reasonable response. If the computer is designed to not be repaired, then we should have longer warranties.

Would you enjoy paying for a warranty which costs as much as a new laptop?

Because that's how much it would increase to if a warranty insured a laptop up to the period of time when it would almost definitely break down.

It's simply economics at work here.
 
Why do people care so much about repairability? You buy Mac to have the best user experience. Having to open your laptop is NOT a good user experience. I guarantee 99% of Mac customers would never even consider trying to open up their laptop. Pretty sure you guys complain about anything.
 
Why do people care so much about repairability? You buy Mac to have the best user experience. Having to open your laptop is NOT a good user experience. I guarantee 99% of Mac customers would never even consider trying to open up their laptop. Pretty sure you guys complain about anything.
That's not the point. Even if you don't do the repair yourself, repair costs will be significantly higher compared to the older MacBooks.
Plus there is an environmental aspect, throwing away good components because they are glued to broken ones.
 
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Here's a diagram made using iFixit's updated info:

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While the tweeters do get some holes, the majority of the grille is just for looks.
So the grills are actually functional. Apple decided to make them larger than required, perhaps they thought it would look silly to have grills only the size of the tweeters. And I'm also happy with the loss of magsafe, because now when my charger cord frays, I only have to replace that, not the whole charging unit. Looking forward for my new computer to arrive next month.
 
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