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I don't know about anyone else, but there's something 'bout ifixit that I find really annoying. It's like taking a painting and telling you all the colors that were used. It's not really the point. And they do it with such a smug tone of 'the public's right to know'. All they are actually doing are helping rival manufacture's, and giving all the 'I want 8Gb of ram, or i wont buy it' brigade' something more to moan about.

This post is disappointing. You clearly don't care about the internals of your computer, and that's fine, but other people want to know what is in it and which parts they can replace and which parts they can't. It's good to know what you are getting for your money, not everyone wants to think of it like a "magic" box or something.

Not once have I seen iFixIt's attitude be about "the public's right to know" it is more them doing a service to other people who want to know the information like I just mentioned above.

Helping rival manufacturers? WHAT??? Are you crazy? Do you not realize that the second a product is released on the market any manufacturer can pick it up and do exactly what iFixIt did? In fact even despite iFixIt they might do it themselves so they can inspect individual components with their top engineering teams.

You really have no clue at all how the computer industry works, or how competition works. The way manufacturers compete is not by trying to hide the internals of their products after it's out, they do it by trying to hide the ENTIRE product BEFORE it is out. Once it's out the door, it's free game, and EVERY company knows that. That's why they have something called patents, to protect their inventions even after they are out on the market.
 
I don't know about anyone else, but there's something 'bout ifixit that I find really annoying. It's like taking a painting and telling you all the colors that were used. It's not really the point. And they do it with such a smug tone of 'the public's right to know'. All they are actually doing are helping rival manufacture's, and giving all the 'I want 8Gb of ram, or i wont buy it' brigade' something more to moan about.

IMO, they are an extremely helpful site showing people what is upgradable or repairable and how to do so. Rivals will or have already done their own tear downs.
 
I don't know about anyone else, but there's something 'bout ifixit that I find really annoying. It's like taking a painting and telling you all the colors that were used. It's not really the point. And they do it with such a smug tone of 'the public's right to know'. All they are actually doing are helping rival manufacture's, and giving all the 'I want 8Gb of ram, or i wont buy it' brigade' something more to moan about.

Well, obviously. Since rival manufacturers otherwise would not have a clue how to take a glorified netbook apart...
 
I'm amazed that they only managed to get that much battery life out of the thing. Using that much space for batteries would have suggested to me at least 8 hours of usage on the battery. if not 10 or 12.

It may look like a lot of battery space, but they are thin as *****.
 
I was thinking about more from the perspective of being able to replace a bad SSD "drive" down the road without having to replace the entire mainboard.

But, yes, it would be nice to have that be an upgradable component, especially as SSD chip prices continue to fall. The question will be, will it be upgradable? Will the next MBP use the same form factor as this one in the MBA? Is it something Apple will sell? Will it be something OWC can sell clones of? Or will it be more like the 30-pin dock connector that is only available from Apple?

Hard to tell for sure, but the connector looks a lot like a mini-SATA setup:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/toshiba-announces-first-ssd-drives-using-new-mini-sata-interface/

I'd imagine the challenge in upgrading would be to find another part which fits into the specific space required...
 
Also the report earlier about TRIM support on the controller is nice, but who knows what kind of firmware Toshiba has put on it at the request of Apple. Plus OS X has no support for TRIM yet.

The SSD model THNSNC***GMDJ doesn't exist anywhere but the MBA. It seems like it is based on the same series of GMxx which could be HG3 series. That would bring it's speeds to 250MBps Read and 180MBps Write according to Toshiba's site.
Look at the number on the chip and google a bit. You'll find its a stock Toshiba chip with an embedded JMF612 SSD-core. Like all OEM implementations, it just reports itself with a unique SATA device id, in this case from Apple, see
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(picture from 11.6" MBA, taken today in Apple Store)
 
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What will these guys think of next?!

Portable desktop with 10 hrs battery life for a cool $3000?
 
I'll bet MacFixIt comes back and reports that there IS plenty of room in these two machines for a backlit keyboard but Apple just left it out for no good reason.

No backlit keyboard = NO SALE.
 
I'll bet MacFixIt comes back and reports that there IS plenty of room in these two machines for a backlit keyboard but Apple just left it out for no good reason.

No backlit keyboard = NO SALE.

Left it out for no good reason? I think the cost of it and the small (though significant) battery suck are both pretty good reasons. They were looking to find savings in every place they could.

You sound like you are just looking for something to not justify the purchase or to make your current MBA look better.
 
The days of easy user upgradability are drawing to a close - - it won't be too long before the entire portable computer's on a single chip.

(Of course, there'll still be a few grandpa's messing around with big old desktop rigs as a retirement hobby at the senior home. ;) )
 
I'll bet MacFixIt comes back and reports that there IS plenty of room in these two machines for a backlit keyboard but Apple just left it out for no good reason.

No backlit keyboard = NO SALE.

Ditto. Thats literally the ONLY thing holding me back. I've been using my 12" PowerBook for 8 years without a backlit keyboard and I was looking to finally replace it with the 11" but the one feature I always wished I had on my 11" was a backlit keyboard. No sale.
 
Hard to tell for sure, but the connector looks a lot like a mini-SATA setup:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/21/toshiba-announces-first-ssd-drives-using-new-mini-sata-interface/

I'd imagine the challenge in upgrading would be to find another part which fits into the specific space required...

It's not the same interface, if you count the pins and such it doesn't line up. The ones that are common are much wider and wouldn't even fit even if the pins did line up.
 
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Ditto. Thats literally the ONLY thing holding me back. I've been using my 12" PowerBook for 8 years without a backlit keyboard and I was looking to finally replace it with the 11" but the one feature I always wished I had on my 11" was a backlit keyboard. No sale.

Is it really that much of a dealbreaker? The positions of the keys aren't that hard to remember.
 
Why anyone would pay high-end notebook prices for high-end netbooks is beyond me. You can buy an Acer Timeline series with better specs and for half the price. :confused:

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-T...JJJY/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1287697206&sr=8-9

Posts like these just amaze me. That's like comparing a GM to an Audi.

That piece has Intel graphics (lammmme), it's 1.1 INCHES THICK, and weighs over 3 pounds. And I would love to see it get 8 hours of battery life... probably closer to 5. I think $300 extra for the MBA is fully justified. Plus PC netbooks are just plain ugly and chunky.
 
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It is for me, since I can only finger type!

I'm on the fence now, too. I have a nice 13" MBP with 256GB SSD in it now that will tide me over until the new rev MBA WITH backlit keys!:rolleyes:

Is it really that much of a dealbreaker? The positions of the keys aren't that hard to remember.
 
Some of the up close Case pictures on iFixit make the Aluminum look a bit different than the current macbook cases in that it looks poured instead of machined. Anyone else notice this? Possibly Liquid Metal? Also some of the parts look similar to the metal look of the iphone sim card tool.
 
Left it out for no good reason? I think the cost of it and the small (though significant) battery suck are both pretty good reasons. They were looking to find savings in every place they could.

You sound like you are just looking for something to not justify the purchase or to make your current MBA look better.


Ummmm.... Are you insinuating that a company with $50 billion in cash reserves is worried about the price of a backlit keyboard? It's an LED light with some translucency built-in to the keys. Maybe $1.50 per unit? (total wild guess).

Trust me, I am NOT looking for something "to not justify the purchase", or to "make my current MBA look better". I, and thousands of others, was fully ready to buy either of the new MBA's until the "keyboard-gate" issue.
 
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