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Hasselblads are five or six times the price of a very good DSLR; twenty or thirty times the price of a starter model or good P&S; Macs are more expensive, but not by anything like as much!

But eh, I'm very envious of you for owning one! There are rumors that Hassy will bring some kind of lower-priced option to market this year. Perhaps a digital XPan (though that was actually made by Fujinon). Of course, nobody knows exactly what "low price" means in Hassy's universe.
 
i was pointing out the fact that the guy is wrong who said that dell is incapable of that level of supplier influence.

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not to go off on you, and this statement doesn't apply to you since you've been confused by other posters who have butchered my posts with selective quotes, but this server is full of borderline illiterates or people lacking even the most basic reading comprehension skills. do yourself a favor and ignore them

well at the risk of editing your post to take out the relevant technical discussion, I just wanted to say I agree with you on some of the discussions here. I do like to think the people are not illiterates, just that they don't take the time to read and think.
 
Oops... iBrokeit :/

I'm not sure how this is an engineering marvel though. It's thinking outside the box, but other than that...? And since LCDs are physical pixels and not just light painted into apertures... I don't see the relevance of it being thinner in relation to increased pixel density.
 
I hear that its a great engineering marvel and I don't doubt that, but they also said similar things regarding the G4 cube. Different issues regarding how that was one of apple's rare failures but my point here is that while its a great engineering feat how well does it handle/hold up to normal use.

No track record to definitively state one way or the other. btw, I do have one on pre-order but they don't call it bleeding edge for nothing ;)
 
I had the same question as NStocks. I'm not sure if you actually read his question and your response, because it doesn't actually answer the question (I assume that you consider the text in bold to be somehow significant, but it left me :confused:) Fortunately, Kockgunner was more helpful.

The post you quoted was someone speculating how they 'believe' it was constructed. I still feel iFixit answered the question within the quote I sourced form their page.

I am sorry if you don't understand it, but it may also require an understanding of how LCD screens are constructed. Perhaps my having taken many apart, and fixing them has made me a bit smug over the entire subject.

I apologize if I came off as being crass, it wasn't the intent.
 
They broke it!!! Been there. I would lower Apples green credentials based on the inability to treat their products as modular elements assisting repair and recycling.
 
All the layers on the display are pretty interesting... I'd love to take one apart... and I'm curious as to who actually makes the display too...
 
Replacement Screens

Hey this is no big deal.

My son knackered his MacBook screen and Apple just replaced the whole lid assembly. It took only a few minutes and what I spent on the 'bigger' replacement part I saved on the labour cost of repair - overall we both won
 
Owning a car

Do you own a car? Can you change your car engine? Or how about a wind screen? Or hey, what happens when you need to fix a car ignition key?

Yes wankey I do own a car and have in fact several. I have a E36 BMW M3 and I do all my engine and electrical work myself. I have in fact changed the ignition on this car myself due to a factory issue of the barrel spinning within the steering. I consider myself a DIY expert and when it comes to fixing things or even upgrading my computers within my network I hate the fact of going out to pay for something I can clearly do myself. Apple products are pricey as they are already so I see no reason for me wanting to minimize extra unnecessary bucks for service I should be able to do myself.
 
You guys are all so darn angry. If you don't like it - don't buy it.

If enough people skip out on it because the display isn't handyperson-replaceable, then they will go back to using a big pile of pentalobes. If it sells much better, they will stay with this design.

If you owned a manufacturing company - would you do anything differently?
 
But eh, I'm very envious of you for owning one! There are rumors that Hassy will bring some kind of lower-priced option to market this year. Perhaps a digital XPan (though that was actually made by Fujinon). Of course, nobody knows exactly what "low price" means in Hassy's universe.

I lucked out on mine... picked it up on ebay for a song, and it turned out to be perfect (and yes, I did confirm that it wasn't stolen). And even at that, if it weren't a business expense, even that would have never happened :)

I know what you mean, though... if Hasselblad advertises something as "low-priced", it's meaningless.

As far as comparisons to Apple vs. the competition go, I think there's nothing there. Hassy charges exorbitant prices for cameras with sensors that are much larger than those in standard dSLRs... that's where most of the price difference comes from: the fact that their core technology was on a much higher level than their competition (and thus, much more expensive). Apple basically uses the same tech as their competitors and makes it work much more smoothly by caring enough about hardware/software interaction to oversee all of that themselves. They sell a complete package and, thus, achieve a level of customer satisfaction that OEMs throwing together each others products into a "laptop" will never be able to do until they figure out that it's not specs that make a computer pleasing to a customer, but the overall experience.
 
No, you're wrong. As several other posters have pointed out, glass is not a liquid; it's an amorphous solid, and the ripples are from the manufacturing process and not gravity.

You're right about the ripples. I've edited my post to admit the mistake.

However, "amorphous solid" is a term to describe materials with characteristics of both a liquid and a solid.

Note that Apple is looking at using amorphous metal in its products - and the name of the supplier is Liquidmetal. ;)
 
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Yes wankey I do own a car and have in fact several. I have a E36 BMW M3 and I do all my engine and electrical work myself. I have in fact changed the ignition on this car myself due to a factory issue of the barrel spinning within the steering. I consider myself a DIY expert and when it comes to fixing things or even upgrading my computers within my network I hate the fact of going out to pay for something I can clearly do myself. Apple products are pricey as they are already so I see no reason for me wanting to minimize extra unnecessary bucks for service I should be able to do myself.

It's great that you tinker with your BMW, but you sound like a mechanic who owns a BMW, not a executive who owns a BMW. People who i know own a BMW are making upwards of 80k a year, have little to no time doing electrical work on their car, meaning if their car breaks they spend a **** ton of $$$ in the shop to get it fixed because their time is money, and wasting your precious time fixing the engine when you should be golfing / meeting other potential business investors is key.

The same will happen with Macbooks and Apple, you want to cater to those with money, not the self repair enthusiast crowd. It needs to be flawless and work, and when it doesn't work you need to overwhelm them with quick 24 hour repairs when they bring it to the shop, and if you have to simply replace a screen, then all be it.

People forget Apple targets the middle - upper class market
 
Not sure if you looked at the linked article before posting, however it says the following on iFixit's teardown.
"[...]they used the aluminum case itself as the frame for the LCD panel and used the LCD as the front glass."
How does this differ from "normal" lcd without additional bulky glass?
Like the matte version of MBP-early2009 I'm typing this?
The AG screens on the 15" and 17" MBPs have no glare.
Of course it has glare. Anti-glare is stupid name. Most people just don't understand what "matte" does. Anti-glare does not suck the reflection, same amount of light will be reflected. It just blurs the reflection, so it doesn't annoy the watcher so much.
The only thing that will impress me with laptop displays is when they fit a RGB backlight into an assembly this small.
Otherwise it's just a compromise in performance for resolution.
Just like the megapixel wars in cameras.
High quality RGB-backlight would add 1 millimeter of thickness and 10 bucks more to the BOM if Apple engineered it right with their resources and volumes.
And this is why it will materialize on a Macintosh.
You'll have look to HP for that...
(Z1 already has true 10-bit colors!)
At least rMBP is first macbook PRO with IPS panel.
It only took a decade...
 
"[...]they used the aluminum case itself as the frame for the LCD panel and used the LCD as the front glass."
How does this differ from "normal" lcd without additional bulky glass?
Like the matte version of MBP-early2009 I'm typing this?

See here:
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Install...h-Unibody-Late-2008-and-Early-2009-LCD/3561/6

Note that there's a piece of glass on the front. Keep paging through that take-apart.
Then there's another glass LCD panel with a frame, diffuser, and backlight.
Then there's the aluminum shell. That's the normal build for a laptop display assembly.

The Retina MBP uses the aluminium shell as both the shell and the frame instead of having them separate.
And it uses the LCD panel's glass as the front glass instead of having them separate.
 
See here:
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Install...h-Unibody-Late-2008-and-Early-2009-LCD/3561/6

Note that there's a piece of glass on the front. Keep paging through that take-apart.
Then there's another glass LCD panel with a frame, diffuser, and backlight.
Then there's the aluminum shell. That's the normal build for a laptop display assembly.

The Retina MBP uses the aluminium shell as both the shell and the frame instead of having them separate.
And it uses the LCD panel's glass as the front glass instead of having them separate.
In those ifixit's photos is regular glossy version of MBP, which has additional glass (like almost no other display).
You know there's been matte version of MBP for many years, don't you?
Also Air does not have additional glass in front of the screen.

Now Apple is finally getting away of this madness of adding additional bulky glass that causes double reflections.
Tim & Ive? Only making the best products is in Apple's DNA?
Adding a useless glass bulk to you products, just because you can get higher points in recycleability but still increasing carbon footprint? (Or just because Holy Steve said so?)

So, I'll ask again: how does this retina display's panel differs from MATTE MBP's panel or Air's panel?
 
In those ifixit's photos is regular glossy version of MBP, which has additional glass (like almost no other display).
You know there's been matte version of MBP for many years, don't you?
Also Air does not have additional glass in front of the screen.

Now Apple is finally getting away of this madness of adding additional bulky glass that causes double reflections.
Tim & Ive? Only making the best products is in Apple's DNA?
Adding a useless glass bulk to you products, just because you can get higher points in recycleability but still increasing carbon footprint? (Or just because Holy Steve said so?)

So, I'll ask again: how does this retina display's panel differs from MATTE MBP's panel or Air's panel?

Ah, didn't realize you were specifically asking about matte panels.

In a "normal" matte panel (and I do recall somebody else talking about this here before), there's a sheet of plastic in front of the glass LCD panel (like the actual glass substrate with the liquid crystals and switching matrix that gives you the matte look. Glossy LCD panels are simply missing this sheet.

The frame in a "normal" display assembly is still as I described above and matches the typical MBP.

The Macbook Air is not built "normal." It's built in the same way as the Retina MBP I mentioned above. To check it out, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHNtnvzfSzY

The Retina MBP changes things slightly from the Macbook Air recipe in that the switching matrix has more pixels (duh), there isn't the outer plastic matte layer, but there is some sort of anti-glare coating on the outmost layer of glass (where the plastic would have been).
 
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