I guess that user wants to carry around a Macintosh Portable or something.
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Teardown of New MacBook Pro's Retina Display Reveals 'Engineering Marvel'
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I guess that user wants to carry around a Macintosh Portable or something.
God people will find anything to bitch about.
Really? This seems to be an awfully arrogant "blanket statement" in response to someone's opinion. Laughable really.
It just doesn't work that way. Dell influences volumes and pricing, but does not influence the actual design of the parts. Why? Because there's no way Dell would be willing to pay the money necessary to actually get custom designed parts when off the shelf ones are available that leverage the collective volume of the entire notebook manufacturing industry.
The panels you get for the average Dell laptop are the same ones you get for the average Toshiba, Compaq, Acer, Asus, etc.
In the common case, a panel manufacturer makes panels (the glass part with liquid crystals and switching matrix embedded) and then make a standard-sized display (the metal frame, panel, diffusers, backlights). These sizes are typically agreed upon within the industry so that they can multi-source them. Hence why if you buy 50 Thinkpads, they can all have the same panel size, but different resolution and manufacturer of panels, in the same laptop display shells. Even sharing the same connectors where suitable across manufacturer.
Unless Dell plans on making an entirely custom display assembly, they'll never influence the manufacturers in terms of design despite their buying power because making custom designs means they're tied to selling to Dell. Production lines arn't that easy to bring up, and there's no way Dell can match the rest of their competitors in purchasing while making dirt cheap laptops.
The Macbook Air and the Retina MBP are examples that break this normal pattern. In this case, LG partners up with Apple and makes the panel (the glass part). They probably acted as consultants to Apple for the diffuser and backlight design. Apple designs the rest. Then Apple sends raw panels, assembly instructions, aluminium, and tons of optical plastic over to Foxconn to assemble. This results in a entirely custom display, where the display is the top shell of the laptop at the same time, leveraging the knowledge of three companies in their respective expertise.
There have been cases in the past where custom panel sizes have been requested. Everytime this happens, you'd start out with a super expensive laptop. Sony Vaio (specifically the 505s), all the 1st gen UMPCs, and the Powerbook Titanium are examples of this. Obviously premium brands are premium for a reason. Trying to tell us that Dell would stick their head out to do this is quite the joke.
What part of "whoever it may be" didn't you understand? Would et al have been better?
I don't know very much about LCDs. I do however know how to read. Maybe I missed it, but I do not see this article mentioning LG.
I have read a couple articles else place that speculate Sharp makes the panels. Considering large investments in Sharp recently, I do not think that is a bad guess. Here is one such article:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2537...f_igzo_displays_amid_rumors_of_apple_use.html
or perhaps this one:
https://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/1...roduction-of-retina-resolution-igzo-displays/
I will certainly look at anything you offer that shows otherwise.
I have read a couple articles else place that speculate Sharp makes the panels. Considering large investments in Sharp recently, I do not think that is a bad guess. Here is one such article:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2537...f_igzo_displays_amid_rumors_of_apple_use.html
or perhaps this one:
https://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/1...roduction-of-retina-resolution-igzo-displays/
I will certainly look at anything you offer that shows otherwise.
Glass is not technically a liquid. It's an amorphous solid. The only similarity an amorphous solid has with a liquid is the random orientation of the molecules or atoms.
Hasselblad... medium format is how you avoid sacrificing performance for quantity, though it comes at a price
Wasn't that what Apple always used to be about?
thank you for the reply to my post, however you selectively quoted sections of my post completely leaving out important sentences that provided explanation (it's frustrating when people do this, so instead of blowing up at you i will try and explain it again). your post went off on irrelevant tangents so i will pull out the statements that were directed at what you thought i was trying to say
i stated this in my original post, that you purposefully left out of your quote --> "for Apple, their customers don't care about cost so focusing on design with higher costs works very well. for Dell, that would not work well because they would lose the competitive bidding process against HP for enterprise and government contracts." .
--> the majority of Dell's business is in enterprise and government, where cost matters and design does not
you missed the point, Dell has no desire to do this. if over 2/3 of your profits are in a sector of the industry that doesn't care about design requiring custom parts, why spend the money to go there?
when did i say that Dell would custom design anything? find my supposed statement and quote me
i stated this in my original post, that you purposefully left out of your quote --> "for Apple, their customers don't care about cost so focusing on design with higher costs works very well. for Dell, that would not work well because they would lose the competitive bidding process against HP for enterprise and government contracts." .
--> the majority of Dell's business is in enterprise and government, where cost matters and design does not
you missed the point, Dell has no desire to do this. if over 2/3 of your profits are in a sector of the industry that doesn't care about design requiring custom parts, why spend the money to go there?
when did i say that Dell would custom design anything? find my supposed statement and quote me
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Your post displays a distinct lack of thinking through the difference between the display on the MBPR and other notebooks.
Do you really think the replacement cost for these panels will fall below $300 in the next few years? Have you ever priced out an IPS panel with more than 1920x1200 pixels? How much does a 2560x1600 panel cost? Apple is the only volume customer in the world at the moment for 15.4-inch, 2880x1800 IPS displays. Since LG isn't cranking these out for a hundred other OEM's at the moment, the custom cladding near as makes no difference from a cost perspective. If anything it's lowering Apple's overall costs since there are fewer parts and less material involved in the construction. It also makes it easier for the end user to serviceyou just swap the whole assembly.
I'm not sure how you look at the retail price of the MBPR and not realize that a solid $900 is the result of the screen alone. What do you think the rest of the display assembly, sans LCD and backlight, costs Apple? Considering the cost of aluminum, it's probably less than $10 including the camera, antennas and hinges.
What Apple is doing is creating a market for technologies that would have otherwise taken decades to reach consumers. They are almost single handedly driving the market for high resolution LCDs. In the past 25 years PC displays have only doubled in resolution (from 72 PPI to about 144 PPI). Because of Apple, we just jumped to 220 PPI. But right, it's others spreading FUD and not you, because really Apple is just out to line their pockets with the massive profits from selling overpriced replacement displays for a (relatively) low volume product.
I wouldn't overstate your reading ability. The article says the team thinks it's LG pretty clearly. "Markings on the inverter board read LP154WT1 (SJ) (A1) GD. Given that the board is soldered to the rest of the display, it appears to be a display manufactured by LG Philips."
If you read the article and even the entire ifixit disassembly guide, they mentioned that they actually ended up breaking the LCD panel while trying to pry it off. I don't think ifixit has ever broken an LCD!!
Well, gee. I opened up my Samsung plasma looking for the picture tube, and I snapped and crackled with plasma voltage. And I couldn't get it back together. I love iFixit, but this time they just got too obsessed with the idea that if Apple brings out machines like this, their business will suffer.
I would bet that this screen is a tech breakthrough, giving better, more contrasty pictures with better blacks, while not being as prone to reflections as a screen with thicker layers and a big glass cover. Yes, it cools 3rd-party repair shops, but that's one negative against three or four big positives.
No, glass is not a liquid. It is an amorphous solid.
http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C01/C01Links/www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html
Those old windows in Europe haven't 'slumped' or flowed or anything like that. They have large waves in them (and are thicker on one end than the other) because of the way they were made.
Back in the day, 'large' sheets of glass were made by spinning a blown globe of glass as it is re-melted. As the melting globe spins, it spreads and flattens into large, round sheets. These sheets would often be thicker near the center than the edges, and the cut rectangular (or other shape) panes was *usually* installed with the thicker edge at the bottom. That wasn't always the case though, so occasionally you'll find glass in one of those old windows with the thicker edge at the top.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_glass_(window)
Newer techniques for creating large, regular panes of glass have improved optical clarity and uniformity of thickness.
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They'll complain about the precise chemical makeup of the plastic.
You do realize this is commentary from iFixit, not Apple. That makes it the opinion of "major electronics geeks". (my words to describe iFixit)
Just like you can't do a lot of things on cars that you used to do yourself, the better tech gets is the less we are able to fix it. If you don't believe me, I invite you to bleed out your abs brake line.
Well, I'm confused. You appeared to be contradicting a post claiming Apple custom designed something, and Dell would not.
i was pointing out the fact that the guy is wrong who said that dell is incapable of that level of supplier influence.
my point was that it is not in Dell's best interests to go the route of customized parts with increased costs since over 65% of Dell's business is in enterprise and government and that segment of the industry doesn't value design, they value cost and maintainability (Dell computers are much easier to swap out parts in an IT environment and Dell as a company has the supply chain for replacement parts down to a science). the consumer market is a different beast, which as we see with Apple, consumers value physical design and attributes at the expense of cost. what works for Apple, works for Apple. what works for Dell, works for Dell. however what works from a profits standpoint has NO correlation to capability here
not to go off on you, and this statement doesn't apply to you since you've been confused by other posters who have butchered my posts with selective quotes, but this server is full of borderline illiterates or people lacking even the most basic reading comprehension skills. do yourself a favor and ignore them
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Sounds cool, but I have absolutely no idea what was just said.
Same, but I like what I see
What's laughable is that you don't know what "blanket statement" means. And the fact that anyone who disagrees with you is arrogant. Or worse, your counter-argument is that I'm arrogant. No wonder your criticisms are illogical. LOL!
Of course it's a different class of product and use - it's called an analogy.
Seriously, you've displayed a complete lack of understanding of basic logic. You really shouldn't try to engage in logical discussion.
So, you have assumed that "capable" is the key point of this discussion? That doesn't appear accurate in any posts but your own. Dell has never shown the capability to custom design their own display. Whether or not they "could" is meaningless to this discussion of Apple designing theirs in the MBPr.
If you go back far enough, you will note that this really started when someone claimed Sharp or Samsung designed it, and Apple just bought the new design whole. Dell was just a contrast brought up as a company that clearly states they have no interest in such design tasks. I don't think it was meant to be inflammatory towards Dell. But you are reacting as if your name was Michael D.
I'm just analyzing the thread, here.
If you mean being a cheap computer for consumers, yes. You cannot compare a Hasselblad to Apple. Hasselblad is a 50k costing server and a Nikon D7000 is more similar to Apple.
Apple always produced machines for the consumers/prosumers, never for the top end of the spectrum. That's what SGI, Cray etc were for.
Not true. Sheets of glass were orginialy made from lumps of molten glass that were rolled, blown, expanded, flattened and finally spun into a disc before being cut into panes. The sheets were thicker towards the edge of the disc and were usually installed with the heavier side at the bottom.
Now you know
