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So long as there's an option to disable it. I don't really want the whole system to boot up when going through airport security (some airports ask you to open the lid).


That is a really good point that probably got overlooked when Apple was trying to define what features we need and what ports we don't need.
 
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I took apart my 2013 15" rMBP yesterday, cleaned the fans, replaced the thermal compound, removed, cleaned and replaced all keyboard hinges and may order a new display soon.
Ran geekbench on it and it's still 30-120% (single/multicore) ahead of the depicted non-touchbar 13" 2.0Ghz.

Awesome stuff! Respect that you took it apart. I brought a 2009 17" MBP to a repair guy to do just that. Ran 10 degrees cooler after that.

As for that performance, it's clear to me that the semiconductor industry, not just Intel, has trouble getting good performance gains. Or maybe it's actually fantastic that they still manage to crank out performance and power savings in this day and age.
 
Basically! Lets glue a consumable part into the machine, so when it inevitably dies, the repair price is so high that the customer will just buy a new machine. This is why I laugh when Apple bangs on about how environmentally friendly it is. I applaud them for recycling and material use, but beyond that they're terrible.
Apple is also really bad when it comes to EMFs coming from their machines
 
Yeah, the 13" non-Touch Bar model is an ENTIRELY different notebook internally. It is basically a MacBook Air, I'm surprised it wasn't labelled under the MacBook name.

- It uses a 15W processor rather than 28W (why only one fan is needed)
- It uses slower RAM.
- It has a slightly larger battery.

It probably uses a slower SSD as well, but hopefully the ones in the other models are also replaceable.

Because apple need to sell this notebook for $500 more.
 
We're talking about the MacBook Pro. You have an Air right now. If you want to move up, then of course it's more expensive -- or am I overlooking something?

Edit: OK I get it, you're saying that there isn't a good upgrade path for anyone owning a Macbook Air? Yes, I have to agree with that. You could get the current Air, though. It's two CPU generations ahead of your current machine and the battery life will be fantastic compared to your Air.

But you are not - the entry so called 13MBP is an i5 6360U. That is a 15W UVL chip - that is a replacement for the 5500U 15W used in Ultrabooks. That is not the i5-6267U with 28W TDP and iRiS 550 - that would be the true Macbook Pro 13 upgrade part.

They just putting a macbook air chip in a pro chassis.

And you already have 7th Gen Kaby Lake replacing the 63XX... this is all a mess.
 
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These were roughly $1/GB a year ago, and close to $2 the year before. The price will drop as more manufacturers produce them. Just look at the landslide of SATA SSDs in the last 3 years.

More manufacturers would wade in, any patents permitting, and the price would be lower still if Apple had not made it so cumbersome to swap these out. That must have stifled demand somewhat and put off competitors to the likes of OWC, who specialise in Macs.
 
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Previous MacBook Pro models have also featured a removable SSD, but the MacBook SSD is soldered to the logic board, so it was unclear if the new MacBook Pro would continue to offer a removable SSD due to its thinner body.

Because the soldiered vs. replaceable decision has nothing to do with the thinness of the machine? It's about market segment and cost. In other words: $$$
 
Interesting. Looks like 13" entry is significantly different from the one with touchbar... According to Apple website, that one has two fans...

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That is the 13" toucher layout while this is the 15" touch bar layout. In the keynote, they specifically called out the location of the 15" SSD and from just looking at it and comparing to the 13" SSD locations, it looks to be soldered onto the motherboard. I don't see any pluggable ports or cards on that 13 or 15 inch at all.

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Seriously, someone ask me why everyone is impressed by this? The SSD has always been removable in models that use one.

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The new MacBook is soldered. The new retina MacBook pro looks to be soldered based on the keynote graphics. That's why we're even talking about it.
 
From Apple's order site on the one WITH Touch Bar "Please note that the memory is built into the computer. If you think you’ll need additional memory, it’s important to upgrade at the time of purchase."

Editing my post... it says the RAM is not user serviceable, but doesn't address the SSD.
 
"Laptop automatically turns on when you open it regardless of pressing power button". That's actually pretty cool. That type of stuff is what Apple was good at back in the good ole jobs era

The MacBook has basically become a 15" iPhone with keyboard. You have no choice but to use Touch ID for security if the laptop is always on.
 
Oh I hope it is removable it will save us from the idiotic cost of the more higher spec'd models.
- Probably won't really, even if it is removable. Third party SSD options for the recent rMBPs have been very similar in price to Apple's upgrade prices.

As it stands right now, SSD upgrade prices for the 2016 model are actually quite a bit cheaper than third party upgrades for last year's model.
 
The MacBook has basically become a 15" iPhone with keyboard. You have no choice but to use Touch ID for security if the laptop is always on.
I don't get this statement. This is the model without the touch bar, so no Touch ID here. Also, always-on isn't the same as always-logged-in - I assume that it sleeps/locks your display when you close it (though we'll have to see when it arrives, I guess).

But really, is "pressing the power button" really a security measure in every other Mac?
 
Soldered RAM to logic board... it is so 1985 !

According to the source, they claim the entry level rMBP 13 2016 features DDR3, while the rMBP 13 and 15 with Touch Bar 2016 will feature DDR4. That can't be true? Apple lists all models with DDR3 on their websites. But they also lists the SSD of the entry level to be soldered onto the motherboard, so who knows..

I can't understand the reasoning for going with DDR3 over DDR4? Performance-wise, they aren't all that different. But they use less power, and with Apple's focus on battery life and power consumption, why would they go with DDR3 instead of DDR4? The Skylake CPU's and motherboards should be able to support both.
 
Don't worry, Apple will fix this design flaw and double down on the glue.
I remember the first G5 iMac, what a wonderful user serviceable machine! They fixed that too shortly thereafter and progressively doubled down on non user serviceable on each successive model.
 
According to the source, they claim the entry level rMBP 13 2016 features DDR3, while the rMBP 13 and 15 with Touch Bar 2016 will feature DDR4. That can't be true? Apple lists all models with DDR3 on their websites. But they also lists the SSD of the entry level to be soldered onto the motherboard, so who knows..

I can't understand the reasoning for going with DDR3 over DDR4? Performance-wise, they aren't all that different. But they use less power, and with Apple's focus on battery life and power consumption, why would they go with DDR3 instead of DDR4? The Skylake CPU's and motherboards should be able to support both.

Who is this "sorce" you're talking about ?
 
According to the source, they claim the entry level rMBP 13 2016 features DDR3, while the rMBP 13 and 15 with Touch Bar 2016 will feature DDR4. That can't be true? Apple lists all models with DDR3 on their websites. But they also lists the SSD of the entry level to be soldered onto the motherboard, so who knows..
- You can count on Apple's specifications on that. I don't see anywhere they mention a soldered SSD.
 
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