OK, fair enough. The 2020 SE follows the model of the 2016 SE, except a larger form factor and I'm not sure why anyone would overthink this and think that people want "more effort".
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For the sake of size, ergonomics and appreciation of the 5S form factor. Dunno, maybe you're right and it's overthinking
O'Donnell, let me paint you an analogy, which does call for your mind to be open and show a tad of imagination.
Here it goes:
Once upon a time, scrolls were the format used by scribes before printing was invented.
But history tells us that it was a passing fancy; because thereafter printing and book-binding became the nouveau format vanishing the scrolls forever.
You are right that, in the near term, pad-sized "max" phones are the rule, but that is not sustainable. Unless you think that 6+inch mobile phones are portable (as long as you are fitted with cargo pants).
With a few specks of imagination, you can imagine collapsible-glass phones to become the norm and replace the "max" phones as the compact form to rule in their place.
It is just a question of time. Why? Because mobility demands compactness.
Mobility == Compactness
And, eventually technology will make it so.
I still have my 8. It's a great phone! No plans to change it anytime soon. No need.
Apple already has a more compact phone: the Apple Watch with cellular.
I am so happy Apple decided to refresh the SE this year. I just ordered the SE 2020 edition for a family member a few days ago. This will be a wonderful update for their iPhone 8. There is so much to love about the SE 2020 edition. I mean from the fast A13 processor, latest Gigabyte LTE modem, wifi 6, dual sim (esim), express card with power reserve, and the better camera etc.. all for $399. Apple did a fantastic job getting such a great phone out to the public at such a great starting price of $399.
As far as I am concerned I am happy with my iPhone 11 Pro.
As far as I am concerned I am happy with my iPhone 11 Pro.
I said. You don’t seem to understand why a $399 iPhone is designed the way it is, but I’ll be happy to explain it.
It’s an entry level iPhone, reusing old parts and tech for the most part—the cheapest platform from two to three years prior—but given new life due to its updated processor.
It’s not about having a new design, in fact it deliberately uses an older design to squeeze every bit of cost they can out of it. Howelse do you think Apple can get to the rock bottom price of $349/399?
btw, the SE was anything but a “megahit”. It sold relatively poorly even after Apple cut the price to $349. How many did it sell in its entire lifetime? Maybe 20 million? Most customers preferred larger displays, even though they cost more.
The SE (2nd gen) was expected to sell 30-40 million units its first year alone, before the pandemic hit. Maybe it’ll be 50-60 million now?
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You can also get back into your dorm at night with your dead battery, in those universities that have gone to NFC locks on the building doors (likely there are other places these are used - the dorms were one Apple highlighted along with subways when the feature first came to the .. the XS? the 11?).
It first came to the iPhone XS
Use Express Mode with transit cards, passes, and keys in Apple Wallet - Apple Support
Set up Express Mode to use cards, passes, and keys with just a tap.
On iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR and later, you can use power reserve with your Express Transit cards. Power reserve enables you to quickly pay for rides and is available for up to five hours when your iPhone needs to be charged.
To see if Express Transit cards are available when your iPhone needs to be charged, press the side button. Doing this often may significantly reduce the power reserve for Express Transit cards. If you choose to power off your iPhone, this feature will not be available.
Yup it sure is. It is even more reason that this iPhone is a great value considering its cheap starting price of $399.
I don't understand how anyone could dislike the iPhone SE 2020.
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Has anyone bought this phone for themselves, a friend, family member etc??
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Ah, I remember fondly the days when a 4.7" iPhone was considered "too big" when other manufacturers already had phones that had 4"+ screens and Apple was just seen to be just going with the flow when they released a phone with a larger screen.
I remember perusing an Australian forum in particular where people would often say "wow, no one would use an iPhone 6 because of how damn big it is". Those sorts of silly, ignorant claims were made frequenly.
Guess what happened? Those same people ended up buying an iPhone 6 or 6S and said "the screen size isn't that bad" or "hmm this isn't as bad as I thought it'd be".
Apple's charisma is so strong that some fans of Apple don't even want them to update their products. They fall in love with a product so much that any change to it is seen as objectively incorrect and a disaster. It's clear from some comments here. A 4.7" screen is not "large" nor is it like carrying around an iPad as a phone (people often said crap like this on that forum, I couldn't believe people actually say such idiotics things -- even a commenter on page 5 in this thread has said it AGAIN!).
I'm willing to bet that many people who have such a hard-on for a 4" screen who use an iPhone with a 4.7" screen for at least 2 weeks will also realise "wow, this isn't so bad" and that they would also actually appreciate how much better it is to have a larger screen simply for usability sake. They'd probably wonder what kind of kool aid they were drinking to think for so long that a 4" screen was large enough for them. Sadly those same people probably won't admit to their stubborness and how silly they were to hold onto a 4" screen for dear life after they realise a 4.7" screen is not even bad.
I should say succinctly: the iPhone 6 was considered too big in a world where 3.5" and 4" iPhones were normative. It is not 2015 anymore, the world has moved on and people have realised "large" screen phones are actually not terribly hard to use or to pocket. Unless of course you have baby sized hands, and by baby sized hands I mean, LITERALLY BABY SIZED HANDS.
Good point 🤔 yeah I’m not sure.. we need a proper ifixit teardown. They may have just disabled it entirely in software for the SE
So rear camera module is definitely different but Mac rumors articles keep saying the two phones share the same camera module. Why ???
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People ? Even Macrumors writers are saying that absurdity (see today’s hands on 🤦🏻♂️). They are speaking about different software and A13 post processing but still speaking about the same camera module that IS NOT TRUE according to this tear down.
This may matter to some... The design of the iPhone 6 is almost identical to the iPod Touch 5, with which we know was the last iPod Steve was involved with. Steve was probably involved at least with the early prototypes of the iPhone 6 design. The SE 2020 is probably the last of the "Steve Jobs" designed Apple products. I like looking at the larger phones, but I like using the iPhones with the 4.7" screen... https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/.../File:IPod_touch_5th_gen_next_to_iPhone_6.png
I do. I have small hands and 3 iPhone SEs, and none of them can hold a charge on iOS 13 for more than half a day with consistent use. Grudgingly, I use an iPhone 8.
I wanted another small phone from Apple. I wanted another iPhone SE. They gave me another iPhone 8, but are calling it an SE. I'm pissed.
I used to love my iPhone. I don't love it anymore. It's too big, and the speaker digs into my finger when I try to hold it with one hand. It's also too heavy (this new "SE" I think is a bit lighter so that's good at least).
I'm looking at possibly moving to the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact to replace my true iPhone SEs, or any new version of that they release. After 13 years, I'm starting to realize how it can suck when the company who makes your software also makes your hardware, and doesn't let anyone else make hardware for it.
It's too bad that Apple doesn't have a phone in it's lineup that serves your needs and will lose you as a customer. However the phone you cited is a 2017 phone. How many manufacturers today (maybe Samsung) are making smaller phones? Seems most manufacturers are going phablets and larger.
The XZ1 Compact was barely smaller than the SE 2020, and was thicker and heavier. The XZ2 Compact is bigger than the SE 2020.
Apple isn’t the outlier here. If anything, they were one of the holdouts on offering a small phone.
It's slim pickings that's for sure. I sometimes wish they'd lose me but they probably won't, at least for a while, and hopefully by then they'll have a smaller phone. I do need to try the new SE. I actually tried to buy one from Visible but my order wouldn't go through, and Support removed the phone from my cart, then when I re-added it they only had the 256GB version.
I do like how the white-backed phone has black bezels on the front.
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Yeah. It's just that the SE 2020 is not an SE. It's just not.
You don't rename something and give it the name of something else that you're killing off - especially something as beloved as the original SE - and especially when what you're replacing isn't anything like what you're replacing it with.
The 5.4” iPhone 12 will be about the same size as the Sony but it sounds like you’d probably be happier on Android.
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The new SE is almost exactly like the old SE: based on a 2-3 year older phone, using mostly older parts but with a current SoC, that can be manufactured at a low enough price to sell at $399.Yeah. It's just that the SE 2020 is not an SE. It's just not.
You don't rename something and give it the name of something else that you're killing off - especially something as beloved as the original SE - and especially when what you're replacing isn't anything like what you're replacing it with.
Apple could have used the old 5s body again, but it wouldn’t have sold as well, because most people want larger displays. Most people see the increase in screen size as a huge plus.
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I have my iPhone SE 2020 a week now, coming from the iPhone 8.
I have had the X some months, but went back to the 8 due to the size, and I love Touch ID. The wife has the 11, and boy is that thing big. She loves the extras screen- real-estate though. 🙂
IMHO, the 8 was already a fast iPhone, even on iOS 13.4. But the extra grunt, more RAM and more camera options and the idea that this one gets more future iOS updates justifies the upgrade to the SE 2020 for me.
Oh, by the way... I call it the iPhone 9 in my settings.
I like these "non-existent" Apple-product-names which must have been thought about through the years @ Cupertino:
• PowerBook G5
• 3 GHz G5
• Mac OS 8.7
• iPad 3
• iPhone 9
• ... <some more fun stuff here>... 😁
I have had the X some months, but went back to the 8 due to the size, and I love Touch ID. The wife has the 11, and boy is that thing big. She loves the extras screen- real-estate though. 🙂
IMHO, the 8 was already a fast iPhone, even on iOS 13.4. But the extra grunt, more RAM and more camera options and the idea that this one gets more future iOS updates justifies the upgrade to the SE 2020 for me.
Oh, by the way... I call it the iPhone 9 in my settings.
I like these "non-existent" Apple-product-names which must have been thought about through the years @ Cupertino:
• PowerBook G5
• 3 GHz G5
• Mac OS 8.7
• iPad 3
• iPhone 9
• ... <some more fun stuff here>... 😁