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You know that filing a lawsuit is easy and winning is the tough part.
True. But that doesn't means a lot of customers had issues with AirPods Pro.
But spotify connect can't do video. So it's a non-starter. Also this makes no sense as most people won't stream for days. I can plug it when needed. Airplay 2 is more flexible anyway.
Spotify don't need to do video. Most people won't stream for days but will benefit of streaming without draining their device.
Why would I replace a two year tv to get a protocol that's inferior to Airplay 2? Makes no sense.
Too bad you have a limited TV. At least the more recent models support Spotify Connect.
It's an irrelevant thing.

Airplay 1 Spotify 0 as spotify connect is an inferior protocol.

Because Sirius XM does video streams.

No it doesn't.

It's not a benefit. It's irrelevant.
Spotify is most popular service in the planet, and when most receivers, TV's and smart speakers support Spotify Connect is because it has an impact in the market. Maybe is irrelevant in your household, but extremely popular around the world.

Can you post specifics on why Spotify Connect is an inferior product? Maybe a link with details?

Why are you talking about Sirius XM when the conversation is about Airplay 2 and Spotify Connect?

And yes, streaming without draining a device is a benefit.
 
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Why? Bc you say so
Apple is the one who call it "ugly and embarrassing", not me. I just agree with them. But it looks like you are ok with it, even though Apple don't like it.
Again double talking and back tracking.
No, that was my point since the beginning.
Why do I need to raise my standards? You really seem bothered that I like Apple intelligence and you don’t lol.

It’s hilarious. My standards are fine for me.
I'm not bothered at all. Good for you is you are happy with an "ugly and embarrasing" AI service!
For you. Stop making blanket statements.
There are a lot of 3rd party apps and services better than 1st party. Am I wrong?
20-26 billion a year is roughly 5-6.5 billion per quarter which is less than what Apple Music brings in which is roughly 9-10 billion.

Try again
The $9B-$10B Apple receive from their music service covers infrastructure costs, artist payments and royalties, ads and many things around the service. The check their receive from Google, from what I know, is 100% profit.

See the difference?
Apple music is doing just fine. Again as a whole Apple services are doing perfectly fine.

You’re trying to make a point that certain services are weaker and less popular but miss the point….quarter on quarter, it’s growing in revenue and profit.

That’s why your argument makes no sense.

We have a weak bartender at my job. Can’t handle night or busy shifts at all. But none of us ever want to work day shifts bc we are usually hungover. Lmao. So he works the shifts no one wants to work.

Our weakest bartender is still overall useful to the team and we carry him bc we can take the hit in his deficiency bc we more than make up for it .

(I say this bc he’s my brother lol). Now if he was an absolute detriment to the team then we would be worried. Something similar to Apple.
Apple Music and iCloud are going good. Apart from that, I haven't seen evidence of the other services doing good. Maybe you could point to an article with details.
The hardware is fine as you basically admitted.

The support is not.

You can let this dead point go. You haven’t made it.
It's a dead point because Macs are dead in gaming. It not that hard to see.
Comparing Apple Arcade to PlayStation or Xbox or Nintendo is hilarious. And that’s why your arguments make no sense.

As soon as someone disproves your claims you then come beck with something completely outlandish.
I compared Apple Arcade to Playstation Plus and XBox GamesPass game services, not to the consoles. Does it makes sense now?
No you’ve double talked and back tracked
Not, I haven't backtracked.
 
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True. But that doesn't means a lot of customers had issues with AirPods Pro.

Spotify don't need to do video. Most people won't stream for days but will benefit of streaming without draining their device.

Too bad you have a limited TV. At least the more recent models support Spotify Connect.
I'm glad the memory in my devices firmware is not taken up with useless protocols and has only useful protocols.
Spotify is most popular service in the planet, and when most receivers, TV's and smart speakers support Spotify Connect is because it has an impact in the market. Maybe is irrelevant in your household, but extremely popular around the world.
Airplay 2 implementation across third party is significant. Works with 3rd party apps, spotify connect doesn't. Streams video. Spotify connect doesn't. Spotify connect isn't multi-room. Spotify connect requires a premium subscription. That knocks it out for most teens.
Can you post specifics on why Spotify Connect is an inferior product? Maybe a link with details?
See above.
Why are you talking about Sirius XM when the conversation is about Airplay 2 and Spotify Connect?
Sirius XM is a competitor to both apple music and spotify which is claimed that teens use both. Sirius XM as a competitor has video content which is streamable vs airplay 2.
And yes, streaming without draining a device is a benefit.
It's a niche case made into a show stopper. That's hyperbole.
 
Apple is the one who call it "ugly and embarrassing", not me. I just agree with them. But it looks like you are ok with it, even though Apple don't like it
I’m not hanging on the words of gossip.
I'm not bothered at all. Good for you is you are happy with an "ugly and embarrasing" AI service!
Clearly you are.

Especially when I said I don’t use AI but if I did Apple intelligence didn’t bother me.

You really are hanging on the words of gossip and that’s hilarious.
There are a lot of 3rd party apps and services better than 1st party. Am I wrong?
For you.

You have a hard time grasping that things good FOR YOU don’t represent what’s good for others.

I’m going to hold your hand with a napkin in between when I say this. The world does not revolve around Dan
The $9B-$10B Apple receive from their music service covers infrastructure costs, artist payments and royalties, ads and many things around the service. The check their receive from Google, from what I know, is 100% profit.

See the difference?
lol you know apples financials and how they allocate their funds ?

Interesting.
Apple Music and iCloud are going good. Apart from that, I haven't seen evidence of the other services doing good. Maybe you could point to an article with details.
I’m not doing your leg work for you’. If your care that much You’re welcome to do that on your own
It's a dead point because Macs are dead in gaming. It not that hard to see.
And Mac’s are still profitable than most windows OEMs.
I compared Apple Arcade to Playstation Plus and XBox GamesPass game services, not to the consoles. Does it makes sense now?
And again you’re comparing Xbox or psn gaming to a phone gaming
Not, I haven't backtracked.
That’s literally all you’ve done. Anytime someone proves your point wrong or false you immediately back track or you move the goal post to try and make a point that someone inevitably shoots down.
 
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I'm glad the memory in my devices firmware is not taken up with useless protocols and has only useful protocols.
If it's useless, why Samsung add it to the latest TV models?
Airplay 2 implementation across third party is significant. Works with 3rd party apps, spotify connect doesn't. Streams video. Spotify connect doesn't. Spotify connect isn't multi-room. Spotify connect requires a premium subscription. That knocks it out for most teens.
Spotify connect implementation in 3rd party is significan too.

Good point! Question, will Apple allow a protocol like Spotify Connect integrate in the OS the same way as AirPlay? Is this an Apple restriction? If that's the case, then Spotify has no option but just to support their app. Maybe that's the same reason we don't see Miracast support in iOS.

Remember that Spotify don't do video, no stream needed.

You can create groups of speakers and play on them. Is that what you refer with multiroom?

Spotify Connect works with free accounts. I least I have use it.
Sirius XM is a competitor to both apple music and spotify which is claimed that teens use both. Sirius XM as a competitor has video content which is streamable vs airplay 2.
Spotify don't have video content, no streaming needed.
It's a niche case made into a show stopper. That's hyperbole.
I just pointed out a benefit over Airplay 2. I didn't say it was a showstopper.
 
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If it's useless, why Samsung add it to the latest TV models?
That's what Samsung does.
Spotify connect implementation in 3rd party is significan too.
Not as prevalent as Airplay 2 though, which is a vast superior protocol.
Good point! Question, will Apple allow a protocol like Spotify Connect integrate in the OS the same way as AirPlay? Is this an Apple restriction? If that's the case, then Spotify has no option but just to support their app. Maybe that's the same reason we don't see Miracast support in iOS.
The same way Windows will allow other protocols to be baked into the code of Windows. You need a device driver. In this case the analogy is an app.
Remember that Spotify don't do video, no stream needed.
And that's why airplay 2 is superior.
You can create groups of speakers and play on them. Is that what you refer with multiroom?
Nothing needs to be created using airplay 2
Spotify Connect works with free accounts. I least I have use it.
That is not what the web says.
Spotify don't have video content, no streaming needed.
Hence why spotify connect is inferior.
I just pointed out a benefit over Airplay 2. I didn't say it was a showstopper.
A niche feature is a niche benefit. Unless of course an apple streaming device like a homepod or atv is used. Then no phone needed.
 
That's what Samsung does.

Not as prevalent as Airplay 2 though, which is a vast superior protocol.

The same way Windows will allow other protocols to be baked into the code of Windows. You need a device driver. In this case the analogy is an app.

And that's why airplay 2 is superior.

Nothing needs to be created using airplay 2

That is not what the web says.

Hence why spotify connect is inferior.

A niche feature is a niche benefit. Unless of course an apple streaming device like a homepod or atv is used. Then no phone needed.

Airplay can literally be interrupted by a phone call.
 
That's what Samsung does.
So I suppose customers find it useful.
Not as prevalent as Airplay 2 though, which is a vast superior protocol.
Do you have a link supporting this?
The same way Windows will allow other protocols to be baked into the code of Windows. You need a device driver. In this case the analogy is an app.
Does iOS allows driver installation?
And that's why airplay 2 is superior.


Hence why spotify connect is inferior.
Why they would add bloat for streaming video when they don't use it?
Nothing needs to be created using airplay 2
AirPlay 2 you have to select the speaker and Spotify you have to create a room. You said it didn't had multiroom. Why you lie?
That is not what the web says.
The web said so, same as my iPhone with my free account
A niche feature is a niche benefit. Unless of course an apple streaming device like a homepod or atv is used. Then no phone needed.
Noticed that you use the term "benefit"? That was my point.
 
I’m not hanging on the words of gossip.
Interesting that words of gossip were very close at time Apple removed Apple Intelligence ads. Coincidence? Maybe...🤔
Clearly you are.

Especially when I said I don’t use AI but if I did Apple intelligence didn’t bother me.

You really are hanging on the words of gossip and that’s hilarious.
No, I'm fine...
For you.

You have a hard time grasping that things good FOR YOU don’t represent what’s good for others.

I’m going to hold your hand with a napkin in between when I say this. The world does not revolve around Dan
I'm not the only one, considering the most popular apps and services in iPhone are 3rd party. At least its on an iPhone, right?
lol you know apples financials and how they allocate their funds ?

Interesting.
It's just common sense. Apple Music has significant expenses for infrastructure, bandwidth, and paying artists, which adds up to a lot of money.

Compare that to making Google Search the default engine to receive the check.
I’m not doing your leg work for you’. If your care that much You’re welcome to do that on your own
So it looks like the research I did was right.
And Mac’s are still profitable than most windows OEMs.
I know that. But, what this has to do with the awful state of gaming with Macs?
And again you’re comparing Xbox or psn gaming to a phone gaming
XBox GamePass works with iPhone (and Mac).
www.xbox.com/play
They even have controllers for the iPhone. Does Apple have one?
That’s literally all you’ve done. Anytime someone proves your point wrong or false you immediately back track or you move the goal post to try and make a point that someone inevitably shoots down.
No, I haven't backtracked.
 
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So I suppose customers find it useful.
I’m sure some small amount of customers find it useful.
Do you have a link supporting this?
Don’t need a link when one supports video and the other doesn’t to opine that one protocol is better overall.
Does iOS allows driver installation?
Similar to Windows.
Why they would add bloat for streaming video when they don't use it?
That’s what makes it inferior. It doesn’t support video.
AirPlay 2 you have to select the speaker and Spotify you have to create a room. You said it didn't had multiroom. Why you lie?
Of course the targets have to be selected, but not preselected.
The web said so, same as my iPhone with my free account
Guess the web needs to sort itself out.

Noticed that you use the term "benefit"? That was my point.
The point is the iPhone doesn’t have to be involved in streaming but airplay 2 is so useful especially when a streaming app doesn’t exist on the target.
 
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I’m sure some small amount of customers find it useful.
I think a large amount of customers will find it useful, considering the marketshare Samsung and Spotify have in the market.
Don’t need a link when one supports video and the other doesn’t to opine that one protocol is better overall.
You don't have a link. Got it!
Similar to Windows.
From what I know, iOS don't allow to install 3rd party drivers.
That’s what makes it inferior. It doesn’t support video.
On the contrary, that's what's make it superior, since they don't add bloat to do things they don't need.
Of course the targets have to be selected, but not preselected.
But it supports multiroom, right?
Guess the web needs to sort itself out.
Maybe you assume a feature so useful couldn't be part of the free plan, but it is. Good for Spotify!
The point is the iPhone doesn’t have to be involved in streaming but airplay 2 is so useful especially when a streaming app doesn’t exist on the target.
I agree, AirPlay is nice too.
 
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I think a large amount of customers will find it useful, considering the marketshare Samsung and Spotify have in the market.
I’m sure a larger amount of customers find AirPlay 2 useful, considering the preponderance of Apple devices, Samsung tvs and additional capabilities not found in Spotify connect.
You don't have a link. Got it!
Prove it wrong. Provide a link.
From what I know, iOS don't allow to install 3rd party drivers.
One stalls apps that sits on top of the operating system.
On the contrary, that's what's make it superior, since they don't add bloat to do things they don't need.
That’s attempting to turn a flaw into a positive. It’s a feature not a bug.
But it supports multiroom, right?
Supports any number of AirPlay 2 devices with the same capacity.
Maybe you assume a feature so useful couldn't be part of the free plan, but it is. Good for Spotify!
Web says one needs a premium account.
I agree, AirPlay is nice too.
I wonder how many teens use Spotify connect vs AirPlay.
 
I'm glad the memory in my devices firmware is not taken up with useless protocols and has only useful protocols.

Airplay 2 implementation across third party is significant. Works with 3rd party apps, spotify connect doesn't. Streams video. Spotify connect doesn't. Spotify connect isn't multi-room. Spotify connect requires a premium subscription. That knocks it out for most teens.

See above.

Sirius XM is a competitor to both apple music and spotify which is claimed that teens use both. Sirius XM as a competitor has video content which is streamable vs airplay 2.

It's a niche case made into a show stopper. That's hyperbole.

It doesn't require Spotify premium and has an absolute ton of third party support, probably more than Airplay, particularly with AV receivers/streaming amps.
 
I’m sure a larger amount of customers find AirPlay 2 useful, considering the preponderance of Apple devices, Samsung tvs and additional capabilities not found in Spotify connect.
Spotify Connect provides what the app / service need. No additional bloat needed. No bloat is good, right?
Prove it wrong. Provide a link.
I searched, but couldn’t find anything. Looking forward to your link.
One stalls apps that sits on top of the operating system.
So, no drivers in iOS, right?
That’s attempting to turn a flaw into a positive. It’s a feature not a bug.
Not adding bloat is a positive, not a flaw, right?
Supports any number of AirPlay 2 devices with the same capacity.
But it has multiroom, right?
Web says one needs a premium account.
Web have been saying since 2018 that Premium account is not needed,


I wonder how many teens use Spotify connect vs AirPlay.
Who knows.
 
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Spotify Connect provides what the app / service need. No additional bloat needed. No bloat is good, right?
Correct. Less functionality less bloat is good I suppose.
I searched, but couldn’t find anything. Looking forward to your link.
Waiting for yours.
So, no drivers in iOS, right?
Driver kit.
Not adding bloat is a positive, not a flaw, right?
Sure less functionality less bloat.
But it has multiroom, right?
You can pick any speaker(s).
Web have been saying since 2018 that Premium account is not needed,

So it seems saying one needs newer hardware and there is this caveat from the website. “Note: If you pause playing for more than 10 minutes, you might need to reconnect.” Oh well.
Who knows.
 
Waiting for yours.
Don't have one, since there is no link that proves that AirPlay 2 is "vastly superior protocol", as you posted. Maybe it's your opinion. If that's the case, it's a matter of preference and not a fact that one is better than the other.
Driver kit.
But I haven't see how Spotify could use DriverKit to do what you said. Care to explain?
You can pick any speaker(s).
But it has multiroom support, right?
So it seems saying one needs newer hardware and there is this caveat from the website. “Note: If you pause playing for more than 10 minutes, you might need to reconnect.” Oh well.
They needed new or updated hardware when the change happened in 2018. Today there are no issues with devices having Spotify Connect.
 
Don't have one, since there is no link that proves that AirPlay 2 is "vastly superior protocol", as you posted. Maybe it's your opinion. If that's the case, it's a matter of preference and not a fact that one is better than the other.
It’s a fact because AirPlay 2 has more features and imo way more supported.
But I haven't see how Spotify could use DriverKit to do what you said. Care to explain?
Contact the Spotify devs and ask them. This is neither here nor there terms preferring the iPhone. But if you want a deep dive into device drivers (as opposed to catching a fellow poster) there are other forums suitable for that.
But it has multiroom support, right?
You can pick any soeakers you want.
They needed new or updated hardware when the change happened in 2018. Today there are no issues with devices having Spotify Connect.
Spotify connect is still not widely supported even for recent hardware.
 
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It’s a fact because AirPlay 2 has more features and imo way more supported.

Spotify connect is still not widely supported even for recent hardware.
I know AirPlay 2 has more features, especially since it supports video. However, haven't provided details on why it's significantly better for playing music, or numbers proving it isn't widely supported. It seems like that's just your opinion. While I enjoy opinions, there are times I prefer to focus on facts but it seems I won't get those from you.
Contact the Spotify devs and ask them. This is neither here nor there interns preferring the iPhone.
I asked you, since you are the one who suggested DriverKit. But it seems you don't know.
You can pick any soeakers you want.
You can pick speakers too with Spotify Connect. And remember, we are clarifying your point that it didn't have multiroom support.

In your opinion it may not have multiroom support, but in reality it has.
 
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I know AirPlay 2 has more features, especially since it supports video. However, haven't provided details on why it's significantly better for playing music, or numbers proving it isn't widely supported. It seems like that's just your opinion. While I enjoy opinions, there are times I prefer to focus on facts but it seems I won't get those from you.
It’s my opinion. Most smart things will support AirPlay. Even my smart thermostat supports AirPlay. Sometimes it’s difficult to get “facts”. But you are welcome to throw your hat in the ring with some numbers.
I asked you, since you are the one who suggested DriverKit. But it seems you don't know.
It’s way off topic. That’s why I suggested if there is an interest there are other boards here on MR for that type of discussion.
You can pick speakers too with Spotify Connect. And remember, we are clarifying your point that it didn't have multiroom support.
You can pick any sets of speakers or stream audio channels separately.
In your opinion it may not have multiroom support, but in reality it has.
As said above the answer is yes.
 
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