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Teenagers Banned from Apple Store

iJohnHenry said:
The thrust was if you can't buy, or are not planning to buy, get out.

This isn't an amusement park, it's a place of business, and legitimate customers want a place at the table.
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NC MacGuy said:
I think Apple should ban all teenagers from anything but the kiddy section anyway.:D I'm tired of wanting to really see how a machine works while waiting behind a bunch of giggling tweenagers playing for many minutes and not spending a dime on anything. They almost all seem oblivious to anyone else and are rather rude.

Spongebob on iMacs w. parental controls set to max. is all they deserve. Oh, maybe they can play with a shuffle, too.
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Alright. These kids where dumb. YOu don't do that in an apple store.

But I think banning all teenagers in apple stores!? THATS JUST STUPID!

Everytime a new product is released im there. I don't buy it but im there. It is against apple store philosophy. I mean some have free internet cafes on top (ginza)



Also a bit of teenage fun doesnt hurt anybody. I went on the macbook air release and opened iChat on 4 computers and video called them. Then one of the employees caught on to what I was doing and got on one of those computers and was making faces. Then customers came along and where playing with the effects with random people across the store. What a great way to sell iChat?
 
yoyo5280 said:
Alright. These kids where dumb. YOu don't do that in an apple store.

But I think banning all teenagers in apple stores!? THATS JUST STUPID!

Everytime a new product is released im there. I don't buy it but im there. It is against apple store philosophy. I mean some have free internet cafes on top (ginza)



Also a bit of teenage fun doesnt hurt anybody. I went on the macbook air release and opened iChat on 4 computers and video called them. Then one of the employees caught on to what I was doing and got on one of those computers and was making faces. Then customers came along and where playing with the effects with random people across the store. What a great way to sell iChat?
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Not a total ban, kiddy section and shuffles - least amount of damage for non-paying customers. I was probably one of those customers who wanted to see how an Air ran Excel/Word/iWork and had to watch while people were playing w. iChat effects.
 
iJohnHenry said:
The thrust was if you can't buy, or are not planning to buy, get out.

This isn't an amusement park, it's a place of business, and legitimate customers want a place at the table.
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Whoa, hold up. What's wrong with browsing? As someone who worked retail, trust me, no storekeeper in their right minds would have a problem with someone just browsing. The whole point of the Apple Stores is that anyone could walk in and try out Apple's products, whether they planned on buying something that day or not. And seriously, if you're actually planning to buy something, it's really OK to politely ask someone who is not planning to buy if you can use the demos. At my last job, whenever I've seen one customer ask another if they could use a demo, the customer initially using it gladly obliged every time. And if not, well, that's what the sales associates manning the floor are for. Flag one down and ask them to see a demo unit.

Lastly, as someone who worked with one of the teens in question (he's a former writer on the site I co-operate), I'm inclined to believe this story. That doesn't mean it's right to jailbreak demo iPhones (it probably isn't), of course, but I think the manager went too far.
 
NC MacGuy said:
Not a total ban, kiddy section and shuffles - least amount of damage for non-paying customers. I was probably one of those customers who wanted to see how an Air ran Excel/Word/iWork and had to watch while people were playing w. iChat effects.
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4 computers out of many. I am one of those people who wants to see the air but I am automatically handcuffed and dragged by my hair to little imacs running Dora the explorer games...

Are you serious?
 
NC MacGuy said:
Dora is cool! Yes, I'm very serious - mostly....;)
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Dora is amazing. If you are 6 years old who wants to learn spanish and has an unhealthy obsession with monkeys.

If I get banned from apple stores....I may...just maybe...no never mind, I could never get rid of my mac.

I'd go all suffragette just of the male race (and for different cause) on you guys.
 
yoyo5280 said:
Dora is amazing. If you are 6 years old who wants to learn spanish and has an unhealthy obsession with monkeys.

If I get banned from apple stores....I may...just maybe...no never mind, I could never get rid of my mac.

I'd go all suffragette just of the male race (and for different cause) on you guys.
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They still make Carmen SanDiego? That's a good one for you if you get bored of Dora.:D
 
iJohnHenry said:
No, he has a fake body. :(
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i thought it was his head (or mind)

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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runplaysleeprun said:
They added applications to the store iPhones, which means they jailbroke them in the store. They deserved whatever treatment they got.
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No. This is not reasonable behaviour on the part of the store. They didn't break the law in any strict fashion. I can appreciate the frustration on the part of Apple Store employees for having to restore a number of phones every day due to this, but this is not at all reasonable.

I wish I could read the full article, but theconsumerist.com's site is acting up.

iJohnHenry said:
If they don't have any "room" for the cheapest product in the store, give them the heave-ho.
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Interesting worldview. I take it you're not in the business of retail, and haven't been to too many Apple Stores.

mr.light said:
Last summer, my wife and I went into the Apple store to look at the iMacs. Wanted to try them both to figure out which to buy, the 20 or the 24. It took nearly and hour to get to them because of all the kids (young adults?) playing on them.
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General policy is that you ask one of the roaming Apple Store people that you are interested in x model, and you'd like to demo one. They handle the business of removing people from machines.
 
Lixivial said:
Interesting worldview. I take it you're not in the business of retail, and haven't been to too many Apple Stores.
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Just one.

I knew what I wanted before I ever got near the place.

I passed all the children playing with the toys, and went straight to the sales desk.

Out in 20 minutes.
 
Jschultz said:
Actually, I believe LP associates who have been trained and are certified to apprehend shoplifters. Stores like mine who have no LP associate are a stomping ground for shoplifters. We watch people steal, they walk through the security checks which beep, and they smile and walk on.
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Must not work at Target.

Sort of scary when most of the US forensic video analysts work for them in LP.
 
mr.light said:
You can count me as "another cranky old fart". Last summer, my wife and I went into the Apple store to look at the iMacs. Wanted to try them both to figure out which to buy, the 20 or the 24. It took nearly and hour to get to them because of all the kids (young adults?) playing on them. We finally had to be rude and ask one group if they were planning on buying one. Since they were not we suggested they clear off so that we could have a look to buy one. They were not happy with us.:rolleyes:
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And, did you buy one then and there? By your logic above, if you didn't, then you didn't deserve to be in the store in the first place. :rolleyes:

Yes, there's a line between "trying with intent to learn" and "goofing off".
 
First off, it was probably a little overreaction of the manager mixed with the teenager's illicit activity performed upon Apple's hardware. Secondly, as a teenager at the age of 16 I must say that instigating a ban upon teenagers from entering Apple stores would quite thoroughly annoy me, myself being a frequent Apple customer (having purchased within the last year and a half a MacBook, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro and most recently a 23" Cinema display, all with my own hard earned money I might add). Generally, I am displeased with the emotions expressed toward our age group in this thread, but I have to admit that there is some truth to what has been said. Of course, text being not the greatest carrier of emotion, there could certainly be sarcasm present that I overlooked (I certainly hope there is), but I digress, you are entitled to your opinion, teenager hating or not, as long as you remember that you were once a teenager yourself. I try to be good natured to my fellow human beings and I would allow anybody who was interested in buying an Apple product use the demo I was on unless I was looking to buy myself.
 
iToaster said:
First off, it was probably a little overreaction of the manager mixed with the teenager's illicit activity performed upon Apple's hardware. Secondly, as a teenager at the age of 16 I must say that instigating a ban upon teenagers from entering Apple stores would quite thoroughly annoy me, myself being a frequent Apple customer (having purchased within the last year and a half a MacBook, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro and most recently a 23" Cinema display, all with my own hard earned money I might add). Generally, I am displeased with the emotions expressed toward our age group in this thread, but I have to admit that there is some truth to what has been said. Of course, text being not the greatest carrier of emotion, there could certainly be sarcasm present that I overlooked (I certainly hope there is), but I digress, you are entitled to your opinion, teenager hating or not, as long as you remember that you were once a teenager yourself. I try to be good natured to my fellow human beings and I would allow anybody who was interested in buying an Apple product use the demo I was on unless I was looking to buy myself.
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Sarcasm? Well maybe some. You are a rare 16 year old unless you're getting all that money from selling nickel bags to school kids (sarcasm;).)

In general, the teens I run into at Apple stores I've visited are pretty self-centered and snotty. They stand around in groups hovered over computers giggling and near daring anyone to question their entitlement to do as they please. Once asked to move on, they usually give snide I-want-to-smack-'em-in-the-head kind of remarks. Let's face it, they're in playing with big dollar machines and don't really care about buying anything or the assets Apple has out for potential buyers. Facebook, myspace, youtube, ichat - "quality" playtime w. nice hardware and free high speed internet access.

One solution I've found is go in early aft. or morning during school days and if they give me a hard time start asking why they aren't in school. Nine times out of ten they slink away, grab their homies and go over to the Starbucks or Borders and screw off there.

Of course I do have the same problem with my kid if I take her to an Apple Store. She gets obnoxious, lippy & inconsiderate of others and then has to sit in kiddy section in tiny chair and battle for snot covered mice & an iMac with toddlers if she wants a ride home. I do still discipline as much as it's an uphill battle.

Take care my young fellow Apple user!:)
 
NC MacGuy said:
Sarcasm? Well maybe some. You are a rare 16 year old unless you're getting all that money from selling nickel bags to school kids (sarcasm;).)

In general, the teens I run into at Apple stores I've visited are pretty self-centered and snotty. They stand around in groups hovered over computers giggling and near daring anyone to question their entitlement to do as they please. Once asked to move on, they usually give snide I-want-to-smack-'em-in-the-head kind of remarks. Let's face it, they're in playing with big dollar machines and don't really care about buying anything or the assets Apple has out for potential buyers. Facebook, myspace, youtube, ichat - "quality" playtime w. nice hardware and free high speed internet access.

One solution I've found is go in early aft. or morning during school days and if they give me a hard time start asking why they aren't in school. Nine times out of ten they slink away, grab their homies and go over to the Starbucks or Borders and screw off there.

Of course I do have the same problem with my kid if I take her to an Apple Store. She gets obnoxious, lippy & inconsiderate of others and then has to sit in kiddy section in tiny chair and battle for snot covered mice & an iMac with toddlers if she wants a ride home. I do still discipline as much as it's an uphill battle.

Take care my young fellow Apple user!:)
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Ah, I know how you feel. The teenagers you refer to are certainly not my favorite people in the world either. I unfortunately encounter them quite often in school (which is out at the moment, allowing me to start my lawn mowing business again) and to my disgust they are the unavoidable kind that clog the hallways with their slow walking loosely clothed adolescent bodies... they don't seem to know their place in the world (mind you, many of them come from dysfunctional families). I would certainly love to see them over by the snot encrusted iMacs, so wise fellow Apple user I would have to agree with your proposition ;)
 
The staff at a local Costco ran down and apprehended a bum who got into their store. He suffered a broken leg and other stuff, sued for excessive force, etc. and won enough to allow him to actually buy quite a few bottles.

They have Dora diapers. If the kid wants them, you had better have them handy. Of course, adults have access to thongs featuring your favorite politician and more.

We need a place to send minor criminals and jerks of all ages. Nothing works as well as hard labor. I suggest that they can be sent out to our dying parks system to clear brush (Bush could do that), restoring habitat, cleaning up New Orleans, clearing mines in terrible places, etc. There is no end to what has to be done and there seems to be no lack of deserving workers.

Most store employees just want to get through the day and don't seek out confrontations. An Apple store is not exactly a biker bar and their employees are not real physical, you know, so for them to get pissed enough to chase kids likely means they were being total little jerks and fully eligible for some outdoor work.
 
StealthRider said:
Doesn't matter, it's still illegal for a private citizen to chase another down on the street, especially if they're acting on behalf of a corporation. The fact that they did something (minorly) wrong doesn't give the manager the right to do whatever he wants.
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That's incorrect. If someone has reason to believe that a crime has been committed, anyone has the right to make a citizen's arrest, and that includes a store manager or employee chasing a couple of iPhone hackers down the street.

This varies somewhat state-by-state, but from California penal code:

A private person may arrest another: 1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence
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It's no different than chasing down and detaining a shoplifter.
 
Hmac said:
That's incorrect. If someone has reason to believe that a crime has been committed, anyone has the right to make a citizen's arrest, and that includes a store manager or employee chasing a couple of iPhone hackers down the street.

It's no different than chasing down and detaining a shoplifter.
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You won't have to chase them very far. I've seen their type & their pants are half falling down anyway.;) Guilty!
 
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