Telegram Gains Better Reactions, Video Stickers, Interactive Emoji, and More

[Hyperchaotic]

I much prefer Telegram, but we can agree that both are much better than WhatsApp or iMessage.

Yeah having tried both, Telegram is the most fully featured messenger app around, it's a great app with a lot of good niceties! I'm using signal because it uses E2E encryption by default but otherwise it's trailing a bit on features.

They've been adding stuff at a higher pace though so they're slowly catching up, except where it impacts privacy. All my sticker packs that I have shared (through Signal) with friends are actually originally Telegram sticker packs because they had the jump on that.

And both of them have an iPad app, so in any case go suck it WhatsApp....

 

[sw1tcher]

I use all 3.

That means you're not a "CERTAIN kinds of" person ?

 

[Hyperchaotic]

I use all 3.

Yeah, in the early days I was adamant to only use one messaging app but I've realized I don't care, I got several and it's fine. Most my contacts are on one with a few on the others. Life is too short to be tribal.

 

[dk001]

Yeah, in the early days I was adamant to only use one messaging app but I've realized I don't care, I got several and it's fine. Most my contacts are on one with a few on the others. Life is too short to be tribal.

That however is the challenge. If you want encrypted communication.

I can get with Telegram
I can get it with Signal.
I can get it with iMessage but limited to iOS.

I am not a FB fan at all and don't use any of their products/services.

 

[AF_APPLETALK]

After reading through this entire thread I still don't understand why I would use this or any other messaging app other than the built-in iMessage app? What am I missing.

Why would I want to keep chasing messaging apps, and trying to get all of my contacts to do the same? Seems like something you do when, how you get the message out, is more important than the message itself. ?

The ability to delete and edit messages is great. I have to do a triple-check when sending stuff through iMessage because if you accidentally post into the wrong thread, there's no fixing it.

Telegram allows for editing and deleting. Signal at least lets you delete and re-send.

The fact that iMessage doesn't have this _still_ is annoying. I don't use iMessage as much as I use signal and telegram because of this alone.

 

[Fred Zed]

Telegram best messaging app ever. Just wish my friends used it 😂

 

[Bustycat]

And both of them have an iPad app, so in any case go suck it WhatsApp....

Facebook for iPad sucks. How would we expect other Meta services for iPad?

 

[Bustycat]

I use all 3.

I use Discord, Facebook Messenger, LINE, QQ, Signal, Skype, Telegram... So many I should use nowadays for worldwide communication.

(currently 0 friends in Signal however)

 

[123]

The rest is still with WhatsApp.

"The rest", aka 95%.

 

[travelsheep]

RIP Whatsapp and everything that's from the honest, always truthful, compassionate leaders that are concerned about our safety and wellbeing.

 

[123]

this generally means that some bits of telegram will always be less private. Not insecure but less private.

On the other hand, privacy usually comes at the expense of convenience. Telegram will always be more convenient, feature rich, with more clients and additional use cases.

 

[MacBH928]

Now if we only can make people switch to Signal...

I much prefer Telegram, but we can agree that both are much better than WhatsApp or iMessage.

I agree about iMessage, but with WhatsApp being owned by Facebook (Meta), and their primary source of revenue is advertising, I'm not sure I trust WhatsApp.

Give us another reason aside from the mysterious E2EE.

not exactly, while I agree feature wise Telegram is the more fun one the truth is its the least secure one. Telegram messages are open and not encrypted aka any one can see them from said company.

Whatsapp has encrypted messages (unless you backup to a cloud service) but they read everything else like contacts etc...meta data

Signal is encrypted and open source, unfortunately its the least one with features and most difficult to work with.

 

[mzeb]

On the other hand, privacy usually comes at the expense of convenience. Telegram will always be more convenient, feature rich, with more clients and additional use cases.

Don't count on that. ? Since signal is open source it is actually easier to to write clients, it's just a younger company and protocol so it's a bit behind. But with the signald library a lot of that is taken care of so we should be seeing more soon. The unified messaging startup Beeper just hired on the signald developer which is kinda telling.

 

[Bustycat]

Now if we only can make people switch to Signal...







not exactly, while I agree feature wise Telegram is the more fun one the truth is its the least secure one. Telegram messages are open and not encrypted aka any one can see them from said company.

Whatsapp has encrypted messages (unless you backup to a cloud service) but they read everything else like contacts etc...meta data

Signal is encrypted and open source, unfortunately its the least one with features and most difficult to work with.

Well Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp use Signal Protocol too, and the description about Telegram being the least secure is questionable.

 

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[mzeb]

Well Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp use Signal Protocol too, and the description about Telegram being the least secure is questionable.

Facebook messenger does not use the signal protocol and only provides end to end encryption if you ask it to, much like Telegram. The e2e encryption is home grown at FB. It is possible they used the signal protocol as a base (which would be reasonable) but their SSO login model would not work with the signal protocol as is.

Without end to end encrypted messages a potential MitM attack if Facebook were compromised is why it is less secure unless you wholly trust Facebook security. Signal and Apple iMessage do not have this problem as your messages are encrypted even in Apple’s data centers and if a bad actor were to comprise Apple or Signal they still could not read your messages.

 

[darthgreen]

This App is going to be banned in Germany soon. Also, isn't it a Russian app? How much can you trust that really.

You guys. Russian paranoia.

Durov is “Russian”, he is libertarian and promotes libertarianism therefore escaped Russia when the government asked him to give the Telegram keys and put pressure on him. Telegram servers are located in different regions of world, except Russia. Some servers are in the US. This generalization and paranoia of Russia and Russian things has gone far. With this logic maybe we should stop using Tetris, Helicopter, Periodic table, backpack parachute, video tape recorder… the list goes on and on.

 

[james2538]

CERTAIN kinds of people use Telegram. Ugh.

Furries? lol

The ability to delete and edit messages is great. I have to do a triple-check when sending stuff through iMessage because if you accidentally post into the wrong thread, there's no fixing it.

Telegram allows for editing and deleting. Signal at least lets you delete and re-send.

The fact that iMessage doesn't have this _still_ is annoying. I don't use iMessage as much as I use signal and telegram because of this alone.

Yes, it's my single biggest frustration with iMessage. I don't understand how they still don't have anyway to delete or edit sent messages. Drive me insane that I still have to send *edit follow up messages. Especially unhelpful when Siri slaughters anything voice to text.

 

[123]

The unified messaging startup Beeper just hired on the signald developer which is kinda telling.

Telling what? Look at the pace Telegram is innovating, it is simply the fastest changing software project I know of. Their team must be huge.

 

[Bmoreguy03]

hmmm I might have to check that out

 

[mzeb]

Telling what? Look at the pace Telegram is innovating, it is simply the fastest changing software project I know of. Their team must be huge.

If it being the fastest you know of is truly the case the. I’d argue you need to look a bit deeper and up the bar for “innovative” too.
Beeper isn’t just another messaging platform. They are leveraging matrix to allow for cross platform messaging. Meaning a person on iMessage and send rich messaging to a person on Telegram or FB messenger through a single interface. Now that’s innovative. It is solving the problem we all have of too many messaging services. Telegram is largely incremental by comparison. They are competing in a crowded space trying to stay ahead.
But Beeper also has an innovative business model. You can pay a subscription and they’ll run the service for you or, since it’s all open source, you can spin up your own stack (they have instructions for this) and run it yourself for free. So their network can grow for free with no ads or scary selling of data for those who want the privacy. They’re changing the game.
Signal, Telegram, iMessage. Nothing new out of these really. All the changes they are making have been done by someone else before. Hard to call it innovative as I see it.

 

[MacBH928]

Well Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp use Signal Protocol too, and the description about Telegram being the least secure is questionable.

you can check it , Telegram does not encrypt messages by default.

 

[123]

Now that’s innovative.

Not really, because the smallest denominator is... small. We had that already with iMessage falling back to text. Despite that (or because of that), nobody outside the US is using it. Can it do voice/video calls? Voice chat rooms, screen sharing/recording? Can it do bot interactions, chat channels, channel/group moderation & signup protocols? How does it share live location with someone on iMessage? It may be a nice service for some people who are prepared to shell out money for iMessage bubble color. But the bigger problems like Whatsapp privacy cannot be addressed by a bridge. For the masses it is not appealing in any way.

 

[123]

you can check it , Telegram does not encrypt messages by default.

Telegram does not end-to-end encrypt messages by default. But the traffic between devices and their servers is obviously encrypted. If you are worried about "anybody" reading your conversations (like, your room mate, a journalist sitting outside your house, or local law enforcement), don't be. If you are worried about "somebody" reading your conversations (like a bad actor working for Telegram or intelligence agencies), use e2e encrypted chats.

 

[Bustycat]

I don’t know why people have the strong faith in iMessage. It is full of spams that I have to disable this service completely.