Telegram Gains Better Reactions, Video Stickers, Interactive Emoji, and More

[mzeb]

Not really, because the smallest denominator is... small. We had that already with iMessage falling back to text. Despite that (or because of that), nobody outside the US is using it. Can it do voice/video calls? Voice chat rooms, screen sharing/recording? Can it do bot interactions, chat channels, channel/group moderation & signup protocols? How does it share live location with someone on iMessage? It may be a nice service for some people who are prepared to shell out money for iMessage bubble color. But the bigger problems like Whatsapp privacy cannot be addressed by a bridge. For the masses it is not appealing in any way.

You're missing the point. Beeper is not a messaging service. It is a service that allows them to interconnect. How many messaging apps do you have? I manage four and I hate it. This tools puts them all in one interface.

It does not compete with Telegram, Signal, or iMessage. It simply allows an iMessage user or signal user to talk to a Telegram user or FB user or whatever platform. All the customers of those platforms are potentially Beeper customers.

That is why it is innovative. It is a different product unifying the mess all theses messaging services have created. How many messaging services do you deal with? Wouldn't it be nice to have one client that manages all your messages?

There is a catch, and that is that the open source Matrix server does not do video chat for all services yet. Video requires potentially reencoding the stream as each service uses different formats and compression. So that is spotty between services.

 

[ceriess]

You're missing the point. Beeper is not a messaging service. It is a service that allows them to interconnect. How many messaging apps do you have? I manage four and I hate it. This tools puts them all in one interface.

It does not compete with Telegram, Signal, or iMessage. It simply allows an iMessage user or signal user to talk to a Telegram user or FB user or whatever platform. All the customers of those platforms are potentially Beeper customers.

That is why it is innovative. It is a different product unifying the mess all theses messaging services have created. How many messaging services do you deal with? Wouldn't it be nice to have one client that manages all your messages?

There is a catch, and that is that the open source Matrix server does not do video chat for all services yet. Video requires potentially reencoding the stream as each service uses different formats and compression. So that is spotty between services.

Its for the best that Telegram be left out. For obvious reasons.

 

[mzeb]

Its for the best that Telegram be left out. For obvious reasons.

Nah, beeper supports telegram. I’m all for supporting everything and letting customers choose what level of security they wish.

 

[123]

You're missing the point. Beeper is not a messaging service. It is a service that allows them to interconnect.

What is a "messaging service"? Half a messenger's value is tied to the UI. So, how is it not a messaging service? And how can services interconnect when their feature set is very different?

 

[mzeb]

What is a "messaging service"? Half a messenger's value is tied to the UI. So, how is it not a messaging service? And how can services interconnect when their feature set is very different?

I am defining a messenging service as a platform that provides communication in the form of text messages from one user to another. That’s the base line. Beeper does not provide their own messaging service in this way. They are a messaging service service. Managing your messaging services rather than just your messages. So while there is a familiar front end the actual transfer of messages will still leverage all the messaging services we know.

Matrix is open so one can in theory write a client that is not the Beeper client and use that. You will only get the feature set that that client provides and Beeper does intend to make money off their client.

You do present the primary crux of the issue: these messaging services all have different feature sets. How does one unify them?

And this is the money maker. Easy things don’t make money but Beeper is making good progress into this hard thing. Their architecture is a shim based model on top of the Matrix platform. Check out matrix.org. Basically they are writing a shim for each messaging service and using matrix as the foundation.

And while a lot of these services have different features it’s the ones that they all share that we care about most. At this point your messaging service won’t make it if you don’t have video chat. And so they all have it. Same with base emoji support. In the end, I mostly just want to send a message to a person or room on a service. That’s the 90% case I think. And that’s where Beeper is putting their effort first. Sending messages cross service. And then it’ll prolly be voice chat and then video. The small stuff like the fact that Discord can recognize the game you playing isn’t that important. The win is that you don’t have to worry about what service that person you want to talk to is on. It’s all the same.

That’s how they’re doing it. It’s not easy but it is valuable and possible.

 

[Hyperchaotic]

Facebook for iPad sucks. How would we expect other Meta services for iPad?

Ah I didn't know it was that bad, I only access FB through Safari on iPad and iPhone. Anyway, it's good not to let Meta too close